Luka traded to the Lakers

[Speadge]

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[dirkules_41]

Reading the reactions here, you'd think Dallas traded Luka for Eric Dampier.

AD is no slouch. I get that emotions are high after the trade. But with the reactions, you'd think AD is some scrub averaging 5 pts a game.

You don't see the point here, if you want to trade Luka it's ok (well not so much but it's a GM choice) but for that package is a joke.

AD is very good (when he is healthy) but no where Luka trade value. Harrison screwed us.

If you are ok to be the Lakers bitch good for you. no problem.

This is a fair summary.

AD is a hell of a player but Luka is the quintessence of a generational talent. And 6 years younger.
If you told me it's AD, 2-3 firsts it'd be a different conversation. But all we got was a first, lost a second and we managed to dump two useless contracts. It's just nowhere near good enough for a guy who will be a top 5 player in the league for the next 10-15 years.

[Mavrelous]

Everyone is assuming Mavs are trading for a guard, Nico went into 22/23 season with Luka and Dinwiddie only players capable of dribbling...

[41Dirk41]

Everyone is assuming Mavs are trading for a guard, Nico went into 22/23 season with Luka and Dinwiddie only players capable of dribbling...

Dinwiddie capables of dribbling. Ouch.

[Mavrelous]

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From the GB, not sure how reliable this is...
For Luka himself, I think this slap on the face will make him better.
He was lazy, and he did come into the season out of shape,he wasn't conditioned enough, and he was taking his talents for granted, I hoped motivational speaker and a leader in the locker room will reach to him, last thing I wanted is to trade him, but now that it's done, nothing motivates a man to improve like rejection.

[User9992]

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Luka was spotted crying by Mavs fans in his purple Lamborghini

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Source: https://m.hupu.com/bbs-share/630324419.html?share=share&euid=265531691911994&cid=135438082

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[Bob8]

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From the GB, not sure how reliable this is...
For Luka himself, I think this slap on the face will make him better.
He was lazy, and he did come into the season out of shape,he wasn't conditioned enough, and he was taking his talents for granted, I hoped motivational speaker and a leader in the locker room will reach to him, last thing I wanted is to trade him, but now that it's done, nothing motivates a man to improve like rejection.

The funniest thing in this story is that Luka will be ok no matter what. He can choose to stay with Lakers, if they build proper contender around him, which is very likely knowing how easy they're trading for players or getting FA or goes elsewhere in 1.5 years. He can decide to work more or not. He will be multimillionaire. Mavs on the other hand are **** unless miracle happens.

He should be glad that Nico and owners showed their true colours that soon.

[Mavrelous]

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From the GB, not sure how reliable this is...
For Luka himself, I think this slap on the face will make him better.
He was lazy, and he did come into the season out of shape,he wasn't conditioned enough, and he was taking his talents for granted, I hoped motivational speaker and a leader in the locker room will reach to him, last thing I wanted is to trade him, but now that it's done, nothing motivates a man to improve like rejection.

The funniest thing in this story is that Luka will be ok no matter what. He can choose to stay with Lakers, if they build proper contender around him, which is very likely knowing how easy they're trading for players or getting FA or goes elsewhere in 1.5 years. He can decide to work more or not. He will be multimillionaire. Mavs on the other hand are **** unless miracle happens.

If your criteria for OK is financial success and ability to choose where he plays, he was already OK in Madrid, he didn't need to come to the NBA, I don't see it this way.
He's nowhere near fulfilling his potential, and a lot of it is because of his conditioning and his work ethic.
I think he's the best talent in the league, and can be the best player in the league by large consensus, and the only one standing between him fulfilling that is his work ethic and conditioning.

[MortSahlfan]

Some of you must be very young or new to basketball... This is an ownership move. Blame Adelson

[Bob8]

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From the GB, not sure how reliable this is...
For Luka himself, I think this slap on the face will make him better.
He was lazy, and he did come into the season out of shape,he wasn't conditioned enough, and he was taking his talents for granted, I hoped motivational speaker and a leader in the locker room will reach to him, last thing I wanted is to trade him, but now that it's done, nothing motivates a man to improve like rejection.

The funniest thing in this story is that Luka will be ok no matter what. He can choose to stay with Lakers, if they build proper contender around him, which is very likely knowing how easy they're trading for players or getting FA or goes elsewhere in 1.5 years. He can decide to work more or not. He will be multimillionaire. Mavs on the other hand are **** unless miracle happens.

If your criteria for OK is financial success and ability to choose where he plays, he was already OK in Madrid, he didn't need to come to the NBA, I don't see it this way.
He's nowhere near fulfilling his potential, and a lot of it is because of his conditioning and his work ethic.
I think he's the best talent in the league, and can be the best player in the league by large consensus, and the only one standing between him fulfilling that is his work ethic and conditioning.

His conditioning is a big exaggeration. He was in a great shape in first 2 playoffs series against Clippers. Mavs being just unable to build proper team around him. Then he made WCF with Powell as a C, destroying 64 wins Suns on the way. He did incredible lifting last year in RS, when everyone was out for a month and a half, needing to score 70+ points to barely win games and he paid that heavy lifting in playoffs, but he was still good enough for Finals, if Kyrie and role players wouldn't have totally disappeared. And this year Mavs looked pretty good and he was back in pretty good form, before Looney kicked him in the heal. Now we're listening about his conditioning, like he didn't do anything in his career, like he's another Zion. Embeed didn't even come out of second round and he's still in Philadelphia.

About D winning championships. If that's true, why Nico paired him with Kyrie and not with some defensive star? Or why they brought Klay instead of defensive player? Why they couldn't retain DJJ?

Tell me, which young superstar, who was in Finals year before was traded by his FO?

[Mavrelous]

His conditioning is a big exaggeration. He was in a great shape in first 2 playoffs series against Clippers. Mavs being just unable to build proper team around him. Then he made WCF with Powell as a C, destroying 64 wins Suns on the way. He did incredible lifting last year in RS, when everyone was out for a month and a half, needing to score 70+ points to barely win games and he paid that heavy lifting in playoffs, but he was still good enough for Finals, if Kyrie and role players wouldn't totally disappeared. And this year Mavs looked pretty good and he was in pretty good form, before Looney kicked him in the heal. Now we're listening about his conditioning, like he didn't do anything in playoffs. Embeed didn't even come out of second round and he's still in Philadelphia.

About D winning championships. If that's true, why Nico paired him with Kyrie and not with some defensive star? Or why they traded for Klay instead of defensive player? Why they couldn't retain DJJ?

Bob, you keep deflecting any criticism levied against Luka by pointing the finger everywhere else, I'm really not interested in htis type of argumentation, I watched the team all of these years and know exactly what went down.
Yes, the FO made terrible decisions, you can find multiple posts and whole threads by me personally detailing them.
Luka also isn't well conditioned, he carries extra weight and it hurt his game, he can do better, he should do better, other elite players , like the one in Luka's profile photo on Twitter, would never allow themselves to be in such shape.
I believe Nico's excuses for the trade less than you, this has nothing with the claim about Luka's shape.

[Mavrelous]

Iztok Franko in a scathing piece
https://digginbasketball.substack.com/p/the-day-after-luka-doncic-trade

He's saying Casey Smith was close to Luka, I've never heared this claim before, the training staff that replaced him was absurdly bad, if this is true, these are terrible news.

[41Dirk41]

What Bob8 said it's Luka condition it's a problem but it doesn't affect Mavs too much indeed we made Finals 7 months ago... What Nico Harrison made last night will ruin the franchise for sure and for a lot of years to come.

You can't compare the 2 situations.

[Mavrelous]

What Bob8 said it's Luka condition it's a problem but it doesn't affect Mavs too much indeed we made Finals 7 months ago... What Nico Harrison made last night will ruin the franchise for sure and for a lot of years to come.

You can't compare the 2 situations.

I was on the GB arging for Luka to win MVP last year, and defending his character assasination by Windhorst after game 3, you can go check.
Luka missed 22 games this year due to the shape he came into the season with, this is the 1st year year he had a full year with proper roster and he didn't come ready.

[41Dirk41]

What Bob8 said it's Luka condition it's a problem but it doesn't affect Mavs too much indeed we made Finals 7 months ago... What Nico Harrison made last night will ruin the franchise for sure and for a lot of years to come.

You can't compare the 2 situations.

I was on the GB arging for Luka to win MVP last year, and defending his character assasination by Windhorst after game 3, you can go check.
Luka missed 22 games this year due to the shape he came into the season with, this is the 1st year year he had a full year with proper roster and he didn't come ready.

Yes, it's all right ... So do you trade your 25yo super star who wants to resign here?

[Mavrelous]

What Bob8 said it's Luka condition it's a problem but it doesn't affect Mavs too much indeed we made Finals 7 months ago... What Nico Harrison made last night will ruin the franchise for sure and for a lot of years to come.

You can't compare the 2 situations.

I was on the GB arging for Luka to win MVP last year, and defending his character assasination by Windhorst after game 3, you can go check.
Luka missed 22 games this year due to the shape he came into the season with, this is the 1st year year he had a full year with proper roster and he didn't come ready.

Yes, it's all right ... So do you trade your 25yo super star who wants to resign here?

No you don't, I've never made this claim, I've been very clear on this thread, but now that it happened, I believe it's the 1st rejection in Luka's career and it will motivate him.

[Bob8]

His conditioning is a big exaggeration. He was in a great shape in first 2 playoffs series against Clippers. Mavs being just unable to build proper team around him. Then he made WCF with Powell as a C, destroying 64 wins Suns on the way. He did incredible lifting last year in RS, when everyone was out for a month and a half, needing to score 70+ points to barely win games and he paid that heavy lifting in playoffs, but he was still good enough for Finals, if Kyrie and role players wouldn't totally disappeared. And this year Mavs looked pretty good and he was in pretty good form, before Looney kicked him in the heal. Now we're listening about his conditioning, like he didn't do anything in playoffs. Embeed didn't even come out of second round and he's still in Philadelphia.

About D winning championships. If that's true, why Nico paired him with Kyrie and not with some defensive star? Or why they traded for Klay instead of defensive player? Why they couldn't retain DJJ?

Bob, you keep deflecting any criticism levied against Luka by pointing the finger everywhere else, I'm really not interested in htis type of argumentation, I watched the team all of these years and know exactly what went down.
Yes, the FO made terrible decisions, you can find multiple posts and whole threads by me personally detailing them.
Luka also isn't well conditioned, he carries extra weight and it hurt his game, he can do better, he should do better, other elite players , like the one in Luka's profile photo on Twitter, would never allow themselves to be in such shape.
I believe Nico's excuses for the trade less than you, this has nothing with the claim about Luka's shape.

I'm not deflecting anything, I'm just trying to tell you that when you get superstar, you got him with everything good and bad. You're buying and paying a player not some best case fictional scenario. Was Shaq in the best possible shape? No. But he was good enough to win multiple titles with the right players around him. Luka will never had work ethic like MJ or Kobe, but he's still good enough to win multiple titles in the right environment. He was good enough of winning title, if Mavs FO could build a contender with both him and Brunson on a rookie contract. They would have much better team last year, if they didn't let Brunson gone for nothing. I believe they would be even better this year, if they could waited for all coming back from injuries. Apparently they couldn't afford to wait.

My point is, Luka might be in better shape than this year, but he will never be in elite shape you expected from him to be. We should be honest about that, nobody drastically changes with 26 years. It's about genetics and about his personality. I'm saying it's what it is, good and bad. Fat out of shape Luka was 5x in a row in first All Nba team. That's what FO has to work with, not fantasy how he could or should be better. Fat out of shape Luka is top 5 player in Nba for his entire career. I would say that should be enough from competent FO to win few rings.

[Mavrelous]

I'm not deflecting anything, I'm just trying to tell you that when you get superstar, you got him with everything good and bad. You're buying and paying a player not some best case fictional scenario. Was Shaq in the best possible shape? No. But he was good enough to win multiple titles with the right players around him. Luka will never had work ethic like MJ or Kobe, but he's still good enough to win multiple titles in the right environment. He was good enough of winning title, if Mavs FO could build a contender with both him and Brunson on a rookie contract. They would have much better team last year, if they didn't let Brunson gone for nothing. I believe they would be even better this year, if they could waited for all coming back from injuries. Apparently they couldn't afford to wait.

That's just not true, superstars can and do change and improve.
I love the fact you bring up Shaq, Shaq was the biggest combination of skill, size and power, he should have dominated the league like Russel, instead, he barely squeaked 4 titles and was carried by dobius officiating in 2002 and 2006, and by Kobe saving him in 2000 WCF against the Blazers.
Shaq is the prime example for a player under performing his potential, he would have been in GOAT talks if he wasn't petty and lazy.
Dirk himself changed a lot, but Shaq is the exception, go over the top 25 players all time, and find me another example like Shaq.
I don't expect Luka to have a 6 pack, I do expect him to be below 250 lbs, preferably 240, if he wants to continue being a PG.

[Bob8]

What Bob8 said it's Luka condition it's a problem but it doesn't affect Mavs too much indeed we made Finals 7 months ago... What Nico Harrison made last night will ruin the franchise for sure and for a lot of years to come.

You can't compare the 2 situations.

I was on the GB arging for Luka to win MVP last year, and defending his character assasination by Windhorst after game 3, you can go check.
Luka missed 22 games this year due to the shape he came into the season with, this is the 1st year year he had a full year with proper roster and he didn't come ready.

Man, did you ever played any sport? Did you ever got injured? Was that injury because of being in bad shape? Looney kicked his heal, I would say he was lucky that he didn't tore his Achilles. This nonsense about his calf injury because of bad conditioning should stop, because it's as stupid as it gets.

But to be honest, I'm glad that Luka is out of this **** organisation, which has thrown him under the bus for some reason. Like I said he will be ok and Mavs and fans won't need to worry about Luka's conditioning anymore. Win-win.