How much time does AK have?

[kodo]

He'll certainly be here for the rebuild. But after the disastrous Patrick drafting, Buzelis was the best pick at #11 so I'm not nearly as worried about him colossally bungling our high picks.

[Shill]

GarPax got like 15+ years and 3+ rebuilds before they got tanked...I'm almost certain we're stuck with AKME for another 8+ years at minimum

GarPax actually earned that leash with years of good management under Pax. AK has no such success.

I am torn though:

1. AK won't embark on a rebuild unless he's been given some assurances that he has a few years to work with.

2. A full teardown is probably the right thing to do.

I think the Lonzo Ball injury derailed AKME. It was a calculated risk that didn't work out.

We were fool's gold when we were leading the East that year before Lonzo got hurt, but at least that was a competent team.

Ever since then, we've been treadmill garbage.

[Indomitable]

∞

Akme is here as long as they keep the Reinsdorfs happy.

[Adriano]

∞

Akme is here as long as they keep the Reinsdorfs happy.

Than, for the sake of all of us, I desire unhapiness for both of Reinsdorfs.

[dougthonus]

He'll certainly be here for the rebuild. But after the disastrous Patrick drafting, Buzelis was the best pick at #11 so I'm not nearly as worried about him colossally bungling our high picks.

It's hard to know really. I know people feel like the Bulls have infinite patience with GMs, but I'm going to toss out two ideas.

1: The past GMs that were here a long time had some positive track record and long standing connection with the franchise, there was a reason to establish some of that loyalty which JR is famous for.

Jerry Krause was GM for 6 titles. Reinsdorf fully believed in him. He was gone after 5 years of being unable to rebuild.

John Paxson / Gar Forman were ousted after 3 years of failure to rebuild, but they had 11/13 seasons of playoff performance prior to that with a couple really good years, and some tragic luck go against them.

2: Michael Reinsdorf is probably really in charge now. We talk about Jerry, but I believe the keys are fully handed over to Michael. He is going to operate from a different place than Jerry. We don't really know what that is. It could be better, it could be worse.


Given both these things, I think it's really hard to predict what happens next, but I would bet if we fail on our next draft pick, that these guys are gone in the summer of 26. If we hit on that draft pick that they get more window.

[Jcool0]

Not that i see the Bulls moving on but i would think the big guys to go after would be Zach Kleiman, Tim Connelly or Sam Presti right?

[MrSparkle]

2 playoff games at the United Center in 5 years since their hire. Both were 20+ point blowouts. No post-season action on the horizon. In the weaker conference.

Inherited a 3y tank job with multiple lotto picks and younger talent from the Jimmy trade.

9 straight years with 0 playoff games won at home. And that drought will likely extended beyond the decade.

This is a worse stretch than post-MJ. The play-in has made it easier to compete for playoffs, and they still dropped the ball despite trying.

House should’ve been cleaned. The Zach/Caruso/Demar trades indicate to me that AKME just can’t do this job. Washington got more for Beal than Chicago did with these ALL 3 of these guys, each better assets at times of trade. Beal was injured, on a supermax with a NTC. Got an expiring CP3 and 4 swaps. Arturas couldn’t sniff out Ishbia’s desperation and capitalize?

I gave him one big pass with the Lonzo injury… but AK my dude. He was a $20M contract and a complete steal- cost Garrett Temple and Sato. You couldn’t pivot around that?

[nitetrain8603]

2 playoff games at the United Center in 5 years since their hire. Both were 20+ point blowouts. No post-season action on the horizon. In the weaker conference.

Inherited a 3y tank job with multiple lotto picks and younger talent from the Jimmy trade.

9 straight years with 0 playoff games won at home. And that drought will likely extended beyond the decade.

This is a worse stretch than post-MJ. The play-in has made it easier to compete for playoffs, and they still dropped the ball despite trying.

House should’ve been cleaned. The Zach/Caruso/Demar trades indicate to me that AKME just can’t do this job. Washington got more for Beal than Chicago did with these ALL 3 of these guys, each better assets at times of trade. Beal was injured, on a supermax with a NTC. Got an expiring CP3 and 4 swaps. Arturas couldn’t sniff out Ishbia’s desperation and capitalize?

I gave him one big pass with the Lonzo injury… but AK my dude. He was a $20M contract and a complete steal- cost Garrett Temple and Sato. You couldn’t pivot around that?

These are my biggest issues. AKME shouldn't be here. I was a supporter when they first came in. Happy about the Billy hire. Liked the moves they made to start competing again. But then, it's clear, they felt their job was done.

PWill is awful. Resigning him reeked of GarPax, resigning players because it was the easiest thing to do. They had two firsts for Caruso last year and instead trade him for Giddey who wants 30mil aav to stay and no 1st from a team that has more 1st round picks than roster spots.

Only way I'll somewhat be halfway ok, is if Ayo, Coby, Vuc, PWill, Jalen Smith, Craig and Lonzo are all also traded. It's clear though, this GM aint the one who could get any value back.

[Indomitable]

∞

Akme is here as long as they keep the Reinsdorfs happy.

Than, for the sake of all of us, I desire unhapiness for both of Reinsdorfs.

His father told him the Bulls are the cash cows. They actually might sell the Sox. Bulls are trapped.

I want another team. I wanted the Grizzlies when their owner tried to come. Because I would run from these guys.

[ChettheJet]

It's hard to take the people who have been saying, they won't do anything at the deadline seriously at this point. Deep seated hatred of everything Bulls except the logo isn't entertaining.
There are still people harping for Reinsdorf to sell the team. You give that up when you're 15 years old and you understand how much a team owner makes in profits. It's so much it never gets out to the public.
Billy signed the extension that goes farther than AKME,

What happened with Karnsovas is he made the Vuc trade, gave up one too many picks, got DeRozan and gave up the now returned pick, Ball and Caruso and set up a good regular season roster that was built for the half court playoff run. Lonzo went down the roster was no longer balanced and they didn't see the playoffs. It went wrong when seeing that Lonzo wasn't coming back AKME did not find a replacement even if it was just a short term fill in. Things took the bad turn when they resigned Zach to the max deal. They should have had more urgency with the missing PG piece than to lock in Zach

They really should have seen where they were and started trading at the beginning of last season, then at the deadline and the summer and they would have been a year farther down the road today. Could have gotten something for DeRozan the season he was an all star, could have gotten more for Caruso from a team getting two seasons of his small contract.

So they got going this summer, not much back for DeRozan Giddey for for one season of Caruso. Now at the deadline they've moved Zach, hopefully Vuc, maybe more.

I think Reinsdorf and his people told AK to get what he could, especially draft capital, and they'd talk when the season is over. Reinsdorf and his people should now be both looking at what the roster looks like going into the draft, they'll be talking to potential new VPs and GMs. Then by the time the playoffs are over they decide, with the roster, draft and caps space are AKME the guys to go forward. Or have we talked to somebody who can do more and get us farther?

I think AKME would have to do something spectacular that leads into next summer to save their jobs. And I don't think that's possible. I'm betting there are already people calling the Bulls to see if they can talk about next season.

[Adriano]

∞

Akme is here as long as they keep the Reinsdorfs happy.

Than, for the sake of all of us, I desire unhapiness for both of Reinsdorfs.

His father told him the Bulls are the cash cows. They actually might sell the Sox. Bulls are trapped.

I want another team. I wanted the Grizzlies when their owner tried to come. Because I would run from these guys.

Despite not even by far be the same thing, in soccer, here in Brazil we have a team who is called Vasco da Gama. This team features Romario to the world, and, in the 90's, just like the Bulls, won everything. Than bad manegament makes the team drop to lower divisions five times and the team does not won a national champioship since 2000. The last time they have a good team, with chances to be national Champions, was in 2011 (that rings a bell?). But, despite the bad teams and bad manegament the fan base continues to be loyal, fullfill their home games, just like the Bulls fan base.

My point is....If the Bulls, like Vasco da Gama, become cash cowns since MJ/Romario (in the case of Vasco da Gama) era, their fan base should do a protest and do not atend home games. I think the only way to reach their owners is doing that, cause we will messed up with is more important to them: money.

But, we are like what? 0.1% of fanbase or even lesss considering how this forum decrease in posts and posters.

That is my 2 cents. Maybe is Impossible, but If I'm from Chicago, for sure, I refuse to give one cent of my money to the Reinsdorfs.

[meekrab]

Until tickets go unsold and United Center beer spoils.

[MikeDC]

Until tickets go unsold and United Center beer spoils.

Supposedly plenty of tickets are being given away because nobody is buying them.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that AK sucks and should be fired, but I'm going a point out a reason that is pretty obvious and even Michael Reinsdorf should be able to figure out.

To make the Lavine deal work, we just had to waive Duarte and Craig. That commits the Bulls to paying their salary for the rest of the year.

Both the Kings and the Spurs are way below the tax and ended up with open roster spots after the trade. Does anyone in their right mind believe that the Kings or Spurs would have scuttled the trade if they had to absorb one or both of these guys on their roster? Of course they wouldn't. AK just didn't have the balls to force the issue, so the Bulls just waived those guys and is on the hook for paying them. At a minimum, that's a couple million bucks AK could have just saved Reinsdorf but didn't.

[cocktailswith_2short]

If matas breaks out it could save aks hide for a couple of years . Hard to fire a guy that drafted your(potential) Franchise player at 11 .

[WesPeace]

One good thing, CAN'T UNDO 5 bad ones.. AKME just are not good couple for Bulls, neither is BillyD! But I'm afraid we are stuck with whole package for 2 more years at least,if not three.

[_txchilibowl_]

You don't fire good people for mistakes if you think their overall skillset will eventually bring success. No matter what you believe ownership believes AKME was the right hire and will ultimately get back to success. That's not unlimited but they will get another chance to build a winner. There is likely a quick reset around lotto pick-Lavine-Buz coming. If that fails they are gone.

You fire people who have done a horrendous job and burned assets for one dud playoff appearance.

The delusion in you is unmatched to the point where it has to be a joke.

What did he say that was wrong? It sounds like you disagree with Bulls ownerships assessment of AKME, not the logic of the post.

It's funny you mentioned delusion because we as fans really don't have any clue what we're talking about when it comes to evaluation of management. Most fans just look at results and draw their own conclusions which is, to me, a vast oversimplification without any attempt at context.

That's not a criticism of you or any other fan. I understand it. That's what fans do. I just don't put any stock in it.

[Chi town]

Billy D all in on that rebuild. Loved the challenge of it in his pre game.

Clearly, we’re making a shift,” Donovan said. “I want to be part of building something. But what direction are we going and how are we going to build it and what we are going to do? I don’t think anybody inside the organization has those answers right now just because I don’t know if anything is totally complete at this point.”

[DASMACKDOWN]

I am glad you separated AK from ME because I have no idea what role Mark even has.

Basically ever since AK took over from GarPax, he has basically been the front man. You never hear from Mark or even see him. At least Gar or Pax would do a 670 Score interview every now and then to give you a pulse of the franchise.

AK I think speaks 3 times a year. The beginning of the season, at the trade deadline and at the end of the season.

We have no idea if AK is actually calling all the shots, or consults with Mark or whatever. We just call it AKME but really its AK. The ME is silent.

[DASMACKDOWN]

Billy D all in on that rebuild. Loved the challenge of it in his pre game.

Clearly, we’re making a shift,” Donovan said. “I want to be part of building something. But what direction are we going and how are we going to build it and what we are going to do? I don’t think anybody inside the organization has those answers right now just because I don’t know if anything is totally complete at this point.”

I wanted to bring this up as well. The interview to me sounded completely contrary to the notion that he didnt want to coach a rebuilding team. It sounded the opposite. He basically shut it down.

I just think for him, the spot is so cozy, who would want to walk away from it. Top 3 market in the US. He obviously isn't held to a high standard of championships. He is like a son to the owner. Fully endorsed by his boss in AK.

In my opinion Billy is not going to walk away from the Bulls.

The only way that happens is if (1) There is a college job that he would love so much he cant turn it down or (2) He and the Bulls have a falling out or (3) He leaves for health reasons.

But I can't see Billy leaving the Bulls on his own to go to another NBA team. Its college or Bolls front office.

[Jcool0]

Billy D all in on that rebuild. Loved the challenge of it in his pre game.

Clearly, we’re making a shift,” Donovan said. “I want to be part of building something. But what direction are we going and how are we going to build it and what we are going to do? I don’t think anybody inside the organization has those answers right now just because I don’t know if anything is totally complete at this point.”

I wanted to bring this up as well. The interview to me sounded completely contrary to the notion that he didnt want to coach a rebuilding team. It sounded the opposite. He basically shut it down.

I just think for him, the spot is so cozy, who would want to walk away from it. Top 3 market in the US. He obviously isn't held to a high standard of championships. He is like a son to the owner. Fully endorsed by his boss in AK.

In my opinion Billy is not going to walk away from the Bulls.

The only way that happens is if (1) There is a college job that he would love so much he cant turn it down or (2) He and the Bulls have a falling out or (3) He leaves for health reasons.

But I can't see Billy leaving the Bulls on his own to go to another NBA team. Its college or Bolls front office.

FWIW Kentucky wanted him (he was an assistant coach from 89-94) and he wasn't interested so i think you can rule out college jobs.