Ex-Knicks, Sh**posts, and Old Trades - OH MY!

[Gravy]

If Frank Obi and RJ were still here today mfers would be talking about Thibs is not using them right and needs to be fired. Smh. 95 percent of the time it's on the players.

[Guano]

If Frank Obi and RJ were still here today mfers would be talking about Thibs is not using them right and needs to be fired. Smh. 95 percent of the time it's on the players.

idk about all that but 1 thing is for sure - this place would have a lot more traffic.

[Clyde_Style]

Great rebounder but he can't move his feet...gets abused in P&R and that is the name of the game in the NBA. Just not a modern big.

It's why he's never stuck anywhere his whole career. G-League =/= NBA

yeah if you can't move your feet you better be able to play elite drop coverage like Kessler or someone like that and protect the rim. He really does niether.

He can rebound and finish around the basket but if you can't shoot or space the floor as a big you better be able to rebound.

It's why guys like Wisman/Okafor types don't make it anymore. And both those guys have more dynamic offensive games then Moses Brown who doesn't even have a jump shot or post game.

On the other hand, what Hukporti immediately showed his first times on the floor was he can move his feet very well. He showed a knack for handing off the ball and rolling to the rim without hesitation. His footwork was the first thing I noticed about him. It's why I wanted to see him on the floor and not Sims. He actually showed some basketball sense, whereas Sims has no hoops instincts whatsoever. Hukporti has the size we need and good feet.

[KnicksGadfly]

If Frank Obi and RJ were still here today mfers would be talking about Thibs is not using them right and needs to be fired. Smh. 95 percent of the time it's on the players.

It’s only 95% on the players when Thibs does something wrong and then 95% of the credit goes to Thibs when things go right.

Slurp slurp slurppppp

[Guano]

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[Capn'O]

If Frank Obi and RJ were still here today mfers would be talking about Thibs is not using them right and needs to be fired. Smh. 95 percent of the time it's on the players.

idk about all that but 1 thing is for sure - this place would have a lot more traffic.

Yeah, but it would be like Cross Bronx Expressway (or 1-5 for your reference) traffic. It never ends and there's no way out of it.

[Gravy]

If Frank Obi and RJ were still here today mfers would be talking about Thibs is not using them right and needs to be fired. Smh. 95 percent of the time it's on the players.

It’s only 95% on the players when Thibs does something wrong and then 95% of the credit goes to Thibs when things go right.

Slurp slurp slurppppp

These kids you guys love so much suck, maybe Fizdale can get them right.

[Knicks218]

Can we get Kessler, Clarkson and Sexton for Mitch, McBride, Sims, Kolek and Dadiet? Please my trade deadline dream.

[FrozenEnvelope]

If Frank Obi and RJ were still here today mfers would be talking about Thibs is not using them right and needs to be fired. Smh. 95 percent of the time it's on the players.

Most of the Frank stans are the same anti Thibs group so that tells you everything you need to know. These guys are the bottom of the barrel here in terms of basketball knowledge and opinions. They post **** for reactions and most of it makes little to no sense.

[Jeff Van Gully]

If Frank Obi and RJ were still here today mfers would be talking about Thibs is not using them right and needs to be fired. Smh. 95 percent of the time it's on the players.

Most of the Frank stans are the same anti Thibs group so that tells you everything you need to know. These guys are the bottom of the barrel here in terms of basketball knowledge and opinions. They post **** for reactions and most of it makes little to no sense.

[reformed] frank stan AND thibs stan here.

[Jeff Van Gully]

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ayo, cap. that's what tf gon happen to anybody who disrepect this family, man. me and you is family. i'm not gon let that **** slide. if i hear somethin goin on i'mma handle it, b. cuz posters not gon disrespect. and my mods feel the same way.

[Gravy]

If Frank Obi and RJ were still here today mfers would be talking about Thibs is not using them right and needs to be fired. Smh. 95 percent of the time it's on the players.

Most of the Frank stans are the same anti Thibs group so that tells you everything you need to know. These guys are the bottom of the barrel here in terms of basketball knowledge and opinions. They post **** for reactions and most of it makes little to no sense.

[reformed] frank stan AND thibs stan here.

I like pretty much all the kids when we first get them even Frank, but at some point you gotta admit they are wack or at least need a lot more developing.

[Gravy]

If Frank Obi and RJ were still here today mfers would be talking about Thibs is not using them right and needs to be fired. Smh. 95 percent of the time it's on the players.

Most of the Frank stans are the same anti Thibs group so that tells you everything you need to know. These guys are the bottom of the barrel here in terms of basketball knowledge and opinions. They post **** for reactions and most of it makes little to no sense.

When they say things like Thibs is not a modern coach and does not know anything about offense when we've had a top of the league offense two years in a row puts their basketball knowledge on par with astrology or flat earth science.

[Chanel Bomber]

If Frank Obi and RJ were still here today mfers would be talking about Thibs is not using them right and needs to be fired. Smh. 95 percent of the time it's on the players.

Most of the Frank stans are the same anti Thibs group so that tells you everything you need to know. These guys are the bottom of the barrel here in terms of basketball knowledge and opinions. They post **** for reactions and most of it makes little to no sense.

When they say things like Thibs is not a modern coach and does not know anything about offense when we've had a top of the league offense two years in a row puts their basketball knowledge on par with astrology or flat earth science.

I think there are reasonable areas of disagreement with Thibs. NBA coaches aren't a homogenous group in terms of their approaches, tactics or philosophies, which tells us there is room for debate around certain practices or tendencies.

The analytics people who exhorted coaches to take more 3s in the mid-2000s were proven right. The coaches who didn't adapt to the 3-point revolution were proven wrong. This is just one case where most of the actual professionals were proven wrong, including some who were regarded as the best in the business.

Thibs knows more about basketball than all of us here. He's a decorated coach with a track record of (relative) success in the NBA, and he has coached some of the best defenses and offenses in the league. He knows what he is doing.

That being said, I think it's also fair to question some of his decisions.

[3toheadmelo]

Most of the Frank stans are the same anti Thibs group so that tells you everything you need to know. These guys are the bottom of the barrel here in terms of basketball knowledge and opinions. They post **** for reactions and most of it makes little to no sense.

[reformed] frank stan AND thibs stan here.

I like pretty much all the kids when we first get them even Frank, but at some point you gotta admit they are wack or at least need a lot more developing.

I wanted us to draft Obi because I thought he was BPA and after a month in of seeing him play as a Knick I wanted him traded. It was obvious he was ass and he only looked good in college cause he played against weak comp.

[Capn'O]

I wanted us to draft Obi because I thought he was BPA and after a month in of seeing him play as a Knick I wanted him traded. It was obvious he was ass and he only looked good in college cause he played against weak comp.

Same. He looked so much bigger in college. First game I'm like "that's him??? ****!!!" I thought he'd be a legit 4-5 tweener but he was an undersized 4, which nullifies what he does well.

[Chanel Bomber]

I wanted us to draft Obi because I thought he was BPA and after a month in of seeing him play as a Knick I wanted him traded. It was obvious he was ass and he only looked good in college cause he played against weak comp.

He looked so much bigger in college. First game I'm like "that's him??? ****!!!" I thought he'd be a legit 4-5 tweener but he was an undersized 4, which nullifies what he does well.

He also played most of his minutes at the 5 in college.

This was never going to translate in the NBA because of his lack of defensive awareness and rim protection.

Playing the 5 also gave him more time to set his feet from beyond the arc, a luxury he couldn't afford if he played the 4. So his 3-point shooting was always an illusion, although he's improved on his release in the NBA.

All of this combined led me to the conclusion he had no position in the NBA. Can't play the 5, can't play the 4.

In the end, he was in the ideal situation in NY playing as a back-up. He did well for us. But as a former lottery pick and Naismith player of the year, he wanted a bigger piece of the NBA cake. Turns out his ambitions were too big for him. Too bad for all parties.

[Capn'O]

I wanted us to draft Obi because I thought he was BPA and after a month in of seeing him play as a Knick I wanted him traded. It was obvious he was ass and he only looked good in college cause he played against weak comp.

He looked so much bigger in college. First game I'm like "that's him??? ****!!!" I thought he'd be a legit 4-5 tweener but he was an undersized 4, which nullifies what he does well.

He also played most of his minutes at the 5 in college.

This was never going to translate in the NBA because of his lack of defensive awareness and rim protection.

Playing the 5 also gave him more time to set his feet from beyond the arc, a luxury he couldn't afford if he played the 4. So his 3-point shooting was always an illusion, although he's improved on his release in the NBA.

All of this combined led me to the conclusion he had no position in the NBA. Can't play the 5, can't play the 4.

In the end, he was in the ideal situation in NY playing as a back-up. He did well for us. But as a former lottery pick and Naismith player of the year, he wanted a bigger piece of the NBA cake. Turns out his ambitions were too big for him. Too bad for all parties.

Yeah but he was also rolling over dudes in college on the way to the rim. I knew guys would be relatively bigger in the pros but when you're actually smaller than everyone... that was his biggest asset and he didn't have it anymore. Most NBA 4s could just check him and he had to move the ball. He could only do his dunkaroo bit when he got a full head of steam.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

[reformed] frank stan AND thibs stan here.

I like pretty much all the kids when we first get them even Frank, but at some point you gotta admit they are wack or at least need a lot more developing.

I wanted us to draft Obi because I thought he was BPA and after a month in of seeing him play as a Knick I wanted him traded. It was obvious he was ass and he only looked good in college cause he played against weak comp.

The funny thing is, I hated Obi in the draft.

There are no frontcourts like that left in the playoffs, I don't want Toppin. Imagine a series vs the Celtics, who does he guard? You can't put Mitch on Tatum, and you can't put Obi on him either. A player like Toppin has to be able to defend 3s now, because a lot of teams are using small forwards at PF.

Your PF has to be able to guard multiple positions now.

- Me



But, sometimes we must embrace things we don't like to remove the things we like even less

[3toheadmelo]

I like pretty much all the kids when we first get them even Frank, but at some point you gotta admit they are wack or at least need a lot more developing.

I wanted us to draft Obi because I thought he was BPA and after a month in of seeing him play as a Knick I wanted him traded. It was obvious he was ass and he only looked good in college cause he played against weak comp.

The funny thing is, I hated Obi in the draft.

There are no frontcourts like that left in the playoffs, I don't want Toppin. Imagine a series vs the Celtics, who does he guard? You can't put Mitch on Tatum, and you can't put Obi on him either. A player like Toppin has to be able to defend 3s now, because a lot of teams are using small forwards at PF.

Your PF has to be able to guard multiple positions now.

- Me



But, sometimes we must embrace things we don't like to remove the things we like even less

Only thing there was to embrace from him was that he was a good cheerleader