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Re: ATL - Luka+ for AD+ 

Post#501 » by Frank Nova » Mon Feb 3, 2025 3:19 pm

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MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:~$45m*


The report came out that Luka’s super max extension would’ve been worth 345m and now the Lakers can only extend him for 5yrs at 229m.


It's 4/229 not 5.

Therefore he'll make around 300 the next 5 seasons instead of 345.


Oh okay thanks for clarifying.
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Re: ATL - Fox to Spurs, LaVine to Kings and more 

Post#502 » by pifhluk23 » Mon Feb 3, 2025 3:29 pm

With GSW out, the Jimmy sweepstakes are PHX and us now?
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Re: ATL - Fox to Spurs, LaVine to Kings and more 

Post#503 » by soxperry » Mon Feb 3, 2025 3:36 pm

pifhluk23 wrote:With GSW out, the Jimmy sweepstakes are PHX and us now?


Why is Golden State out?
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Re: ATL - Fox to Spurs, LaVine to Kings and more 

Post#504 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Feb 3, 2025 3:39 pm

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pifhluk23 wrote:With GSW out, the Jimmy sweepstakes are PHX and us now?


Why is Golden State out?


Apparently he won't sign an extension there.
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Re: ATL - Luka+ for AD+ 

Post#505 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Mon Feb 3, 2025 3:39 pm

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Frank Nova wrote:The new owners must’ve really had issues with Luka. That trade cost him 116m in potential earnings on his next contract, that’s diabolical stuff.

~$45m*


The report came out that Luka’s super max extension would’ve been worth 345m and now the Lakers can only extend him for 5yrs at 229m.

and the report would be wrong. they can extend him for 4/229 and I assume the first year of the next contract would be $60m+.

f you are going to say cost him a guaranteed x million, fine. but it would take a catastrophic injury for him not to make up most of it, if not more, for future contracts over the same period. if he has a catastrophic injury than I'm sure there is some kind of insurance.
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Re: ATL - Luka+ for AD+ 

Post#506 » by Frank Nova » Mon Feb 3, 2025 4:22 pm

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MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:~$45m*


The report came out that Luka’s super max extension would’ve been worth 345m and now the Lakers can only extend him for 5yrs at 229m.

and the report would be wrong. they can extend him for 4/229 and I assume the first year of the next contract would be $60m+.

f you are going to say cost him a guaranteed x million, fine. but it would take a catastrophic injury for him not to make up most of it, if not more, for future contracts over the same period. if he has a catastrophic injury than I'm sure there is some kind of insurance.


The report added the 5th year so yeah you’re right, the report was wrong. It was some dumb social media post I probably shouldn’t have trusted in the first place. Thanks for the information.
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Re: ATL - Fox to Spurs, LaVine to Kings and more 

Post#507 » by emunney » Mon Feb 3, 2025 4:44 pm

AussieBuck wrote:Why do the Kings want to be a mediocre Bulls team? They were already the Bulls West, but that wasn't enough?


I think the Kings did well, though, as funny as it is to reconvene DeRozan and LaVine after less than 7 months apart. I don't think there's much difference between Fox and LaVine. The Spurs did poorly on value but that's the way of consolidation trades, and people are raving about the fit so we'll see I guess. Bulls get off some salary and get some ok pieces, and will have a chance to grow value on their roster by bumping guys up in usage with a game-manager in Jones. I'd have rather paid less for LaVine if I were the Spurs, but teams are falling in love with players to their own detriment all over the place these days.

Generally think the trade works in different ways for all three teams.
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Re: ATL - Fox to Spurs, LaVine to Kings and more 

Post#508 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Feb 3, 2025 4:54 pm

Kings got three firsts (really two good firsts and five 2nd round picks) and a guy (LaVine) that they maybe will be able to trade for value in the next couple off-seasons. I think they did pretty well for taking on LaVine's contract. Fox was obviously the best player in the deal, but it's weird seeing people look completely past his faults and just assume that he's gonna be this uber efficient, perfect fit with Wemby. I think every team involved here can be satisfied (Chicago getting their 2025 1st back can't be lost in all this).
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Re: ATL - Fox to Spurs, LaVine to Kings and more 

Post#509 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Feb 3, 2025 4:57 pm

Found this on Reddit. If you've been following the Adelsons saga with the Mavs and their gambling aspirations, this actually makes sense.

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tl/dr: it's the literal plot of Major League.
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Re: ATL - Fox to Spurs, LaVine to Kings and more 

Post#510 » by MickeyDavis » Mon Feb 3, 2025 5:05 pm

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Re: ATL - Luka+ for AD+ 

Post#511 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Mon Feb 3, 2025 5:19 pm

Frank Nova wrote:
MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
Frank Nova wrote:
The report came out that Luka’s super max extension would’ve been worth 345m and now the Lakers can only extend him for 5yrs at 229m.

and the report would be wrong. they can extend him for 4/229 and I assume the first year of the next contract would be $60m+.

f you are going to say cost him a guaranteed x million, fine. but it would take a catastrophic injury for him not to make up most of it, if not more, for future contracts over the same period. if he has a catastrophic injury than I'm sure there is some kind of insurance.


The report added the 5th year so yeah you’re right, the report was wrong. It was some dumb social media post I probably shouldn’t have trusted in the first place. Thanks for the information.

you see a lot of crazy **** on the internet. the other day some account pretending to be shams posted that Luka was traded for AD. If something seems off, you need to step back and think if it makes sense.
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Re: ATL - Fox to Spurs, LaVine to Kings and more 

Post#512 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Feb 3, 2025 6:06 pm

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Re: ATL - Fox to Spurs, LaVine to Kings and more 

Post#513 » by Dick Tate » Mon Feb 3, 2025 6:31 pm

LOL, I guess that's what you do when you realize Beal every intent to use his NTC to retire in Arizona.
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Re: ATL - Fox to Spurs, LaVine to Kings and more 

Post#514 » by BucksStatsGuy » Mon Feb 3, 2025 7:17 pm

I think because of our shared experience with the Kidd-led Bucks, this entire Luka thing REEKS of Kidd initiating the conversation, not Nico

Just think about his complete disregard for draft picks. His constant dog-housing of effort and how defense is your culture. The Knight/MCW trade that was kind of out of nowhere because he didn't like Knight's defensive effort (and the laser focus on one player in particular). The off season moves that were then immediately negated in-season. Nico is taking a lot of blame here, and he absolutely should as the GM, but when he says that he and Kidd have a "shared vision" for culture and that he "knows the type of players Kidd likes", that is a strong red flag to me that the conversation started from the coach, not the GM.
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Re: ATL - Fox to Spurs, LaVine to Kings and more 

Post#515 » by SirChurros » Mon Feb 3, 2025 7:25 pm

BucksStatsGuy wrote:I think because of our shared experience with the Kidd-led Bucks, this entire Luka thing REEKS of Kidd initiating the conversation, not Nico

Just think about his complete disregard for draft picks. His constant dog-housing of effort and how defense is your culture. The Knight/MCW trade that was kind of out of nowhere because he didn't like Knight's defensive effort (and the laser focus on one player in particular). The off season moves that were then immediately negated in-season. Nico is taking a lot of blame here, and he absolutely should as the GM, but when he says that he and Kidd have a "shared vision" for culture and that he "knows the type of players Kidd likes", that is a strong red flag to me that the conversation started from the coach, not the GM.

As much as I hate Kidd, I don’t buy this here. He looked like he saw a ghost during the presser.
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Re: ATL - Fox to Spurs, LaVine to Kings and more 

Post#516 » by Prez » Mon Feb 3, 2025 7:26 pm

The new Vegas-based Mavs owners being complete psychopaths using the Mavs and this Luka trade as a way to force their gambling empire into Texas while saving money or move the Mavs to Vegas actually sounds plausible to me. With Nico Harrison being the guy getting paid handsomely under the table with future promises as well just to be the guy to take all the heat in the moment.
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Re: ATL - Fox to Spurs, LaVine to Kings and more 

Post#517 » by MickeyDavis » Mon Feb 3, 2025 7:34 pm

Getting back to basketball for a minute, a couple of potentially good games tonight

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Re: ATL - Fox to Spurs, LaVine to Kings and more 

Post#518 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Feb 3, 2025 7:41 pm

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Could be a wild week.
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Post#519 » by MikeIsGood » Mon Feb 3, 2025 7:42 pm

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Could be a wild week.


The Suns are listening to offers on Kevin Durant and Durant is aware of this. Golden State has been the most active in the pursuit of Durant with Phoenix holding interest in Kuminga. Golden State’s ideal plan? Bringing both LeBron and Durant to the Bay Area to play alongside Curry.


This is from Stein's substack (stolen from Reddit - it's paywalled).
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Re: ATL - Fox to Spurs, LaVine to Kings and more 

Post#520 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Feb 3, 2025 7:42 pm

Prez wrote:The new Vegas-based Mavs owners being complete psychopaths using the Mavs and this Luka trade as a way to force their gambling empire into Texas while saving money or move the Mavs to Vegas actually sounds plausible to me. With Nico Harrison being the guy getting paid handsomely under the table with future promises as well just to be the guy to take all the heat in the moment.


I'm willing to listen to all theories here. If this is true, then the league not investigating this trade would be an all-time collusion scandal. Like, maybe even worse than Tim Donaghy. While it's tough to argue anything being criminal from a legality standpoint, we're talking about the kind of legacy/credibility hit that's gonna take years for the league to recover from. And I have zero faith that a commissioner as spineless as Silver is gonna do anything about it.

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