Luka AD trade thread Part II

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Re: Luka AD trade thread Part II 

Post#861 » by holdenwait » Mon Feb 3, 2025 6:16 pm

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you'd think it'd be embarrassing for both parties to make this public. like how tf you trade Luka behind your coaches back.. shockingly stupid behavior to absolutely ruin everyones morale within a franchise lmao

well, my bad.. hadn't seen the video of this tool bouncing out after couple of questions and walking straight into the camera as well.

now I am 100% willing to believe he got paid under the table to make this happen with future considerations in mind cause he clearly has 0 confidence behind the move despite the pre-written media snippets.
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Re: Luka AD trade thread Part II 

Post#862 » by CallMeKahn » Mon Feb 3, 2025 6:16 pm

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Knecht + AD + a couple of 1sts is closer to value. Nico is a god damn idiot.
daoneandonly wrote:Utah doesnt have anyhting close value wise to get Dallas to even pick up the phone


Said in reference to Utah's trade assets in a potential Doncic deal.
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Re: Luka AD trade thread Part II 

Post#863 » by Capn'O » Mon Feb 3, 2025 6:20 pm

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Re: Luka AD trade thread Part II 

Post#864 » by NyKnicks1714 » Mon Feb 3, 2025 6:22 pm

Is Luka's alleged drinking problem just some well known thing?
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Re: Luka AD trade thread Part II 

Post#865 » by ConSarnit » Mon Feb 3, 2025 6:26 pm

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this is just bull... if you want more, you surely can get more... just open up the market...
this is collusion and under the table deal


Maybe.

The fact of the matter is the decision likely came down to 2 people (max) at the Mavs. Harrison or Patrick Dumont. If either (or both) of those guys value Davis somewhat closely to Luka then you can see why they made this trade and didn't ask for much else (not that those guys would be correct in their assessment).

For this trade to make sense all it would really take is one guy at the Mavs to convince (or order) the other guy trade Luka for Davis because they see Davis as a player close to the same level as Luka.

Davis made 2nd team all-NBA last year. It's not crazy that someone could view him as a similar level player to Doncic, especially if they have extra information and question Luka's work ethic, etc. I'm not saying that person would be correct in their assessment but in the Mavs situation it only takes 1 guy to make things go the way they went. It's not all that dissimilar to someone like Sarver wanting to pick Ayton over Luka.

This whole thing could be boiled down to 1 person's faulty player valuation. It could be nothing more than that. When a team is owned by 1 person that team operates at the whim's of that person. If that person is a bad talent evaluator you are SOL.

If Patrick Dumont thinks that Davis is worth 5 1sts but everyone else thinks he's only worth 3 then you can see why this trade was made, even if it seems (and is) stupid.
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Re: Luka AD trade thread Part II 

Post#866 » by Mavrelous » Mon Feb 3, 2025 6:27 pm

People are giving Nico too much credit as basketball masternind, because of Lively, PJ Washington and Gafford, here is a list of his baffling mistakes:
1. Sold KP for 20 cents in the $
2. Let Brunson go
3. Went into 22/23 with Luka and Dinwiddie as the only 2 players who can dribble on roster
4. Gave McGee 3 yrs deal, failed, looked to dump him, ended up waiving and stretching his last 2 years.
5. Wanted to sign Grant Williams for the MLE and try to sign Thybull4, did a manuever sending unprotected swap to the Spurs to pullnit off.
6. Had to pay unprotected 1st for PJ becauase he used Grant as matching salary
7. Before PJ Washington and Gafford he wanted to use the picks to trade for Kuzma.

Nico had lots of mistakes, having Luka made him look smarter than he is, I'm afraid he and Kidd (brilliant defensive coach, idiot offensive coach) will be exposed, we'll wait and see.
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Re: Luka AD trade thread Part II 

Post#867 » by Raps in 4 » Mon Feb 3, 2025 6:34 pm

Respect to the Laker fans who see this trade for the BS that it is. You can be happy about the trade (I would be too if I was a Lakers fan), but not act like your team pulled off some master class in team building. I'm seeing far more of the former than I expected.
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Re: Luka AD trade thread Part II 

Post#868 » by Raps in 4 » Mon Feb 3, 2025 6:35 pm

NyKnicks1714 wrote:Is Luka's alleged drinking problem just some well known thing?


No. It's a smear campaign to deflect blame from the Adelsons/Nico for making the most unpopular trade in NBA history.
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Re: Luka AD trade thread Part II 

Post#869 » by zshawn10 » Mon Feb 3, 2025 6:40 pm

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Re: Luka AD trade thread Part II 

Post#870 » by XTC » Mon Feb 3, 2025 6:48 pm

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Yes. Kyrie is a scoring PG and AD can’t create efficient shots on his own. He likes getting the ball on the perimeter, but has poor ball handling and passing. His midrange and 3pt shot have not been there recently. Now, this may all turn around on a different team, but if you’re relying on AD to carry/run the offense you’re in trouble. They should try to get a true PG. It won’t make you a championship team, but Chris Paul is available.


Yes they took a hit offensively, but got significantly better defensively. If Luka gave you 35 a night, AD will give you 25 a night, Kyrie will be the main scorer for the team and the role players (Thompson, Gafford etc.) will have to average a couple more points per game which they should be capable of, the whole system will have to change offensively but there should be better ball movement, let’s see how the new offensive system plays out, the improvement on defence shouldn’t be understated though, significantly better, getting beat to the bucket killed them against Boston.


Just watch some past Mavs games and you will see that ball movement is non existent, Klay doesn't even get shots for a full quarters. I don't understand how below average passer like AD can help there. Mavs were built for Luka, now Dinwiddie tries to do the same things, which he can't, Kyrie is playing Iso like before, but now he has better defender on him and worse spacing.

Mavs have lost the best half court player in the league and replaced him with a big, who's not particularly good shooter and people believe that can work?


I think this really gets understated... Kyrie has evolved into a great scorer who is tough to stop, but he's only averaging 4.8 APG with Luka out. He still doesn't know how to really run an offense. Dinwiddie has been the starting PG since Luka has been out, and he's not really a starter anymore. Kyrie plays more like a SG than a PG currently.

During the 2024/2025 season

Kyrie w/Luka per36 (469 minutes)
PPG - 22.5
APG - 4.8
TS - 64.2%
3PT % - 50.9%
USG - 22.9

Kyrie w/o Luka per36 (893 minutes)
PPG - 25.5
APG - 4.9
TS - 57.8%
3PT % - 38.5%
USG - 29.1

League average TS is 57.4%

Obviously Kyrie wasn't going to shoot 50% from three, but he was so much more efficient playing next to Luka who is a fantastic playmaker.

It's a similar trend with AD

AD w/Lebron per36 (881 minutes)
PPG - 25.3
BPG - 2.5
SPG - 1.7
TS - 63.1%
USG - 27.9

AD w/o Lebron per36 (525 minutes)
PPG - 30.9
BPG - 2.0
SPG - 0.8
TS - 57.8%
USG - 36.2

His defense does tend to fall off with more offensive work load, and he barely shooting above league average when Lebron isn't on the floor. I don't think this fit is the slam dunk many people are clamoring it to be. I don't doubt that AD is going to be the #1 option, huge concerns of mine are will Kyrie be able to get him easy buckets? Will AD be able to give the same defensive effort if he's the focal point offensively? Will Kyrie be able to run the offense? Kyrie and AD played with 2 of the best passers in the NBA in Doncic and Lebron... they made their lives so much easier... how will they fare when they're tasked to anchor the offense (and in AD's case the defense aswell)?
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Re: Luka AD trade thread Part II 

Post#871 » by Dennis 37 » Mon Feb 3, 2025 6:48 pm

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Knecht + AD + a couple of 1sts is closer to value. Nico is a god damn idiot.


Idiot or corrupt?

No way his Swiss bank account didn't get a multi-million dollar deposit.
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Re: Luka AD trade thread Part II 

Post#872 » by liquidswords » Mon Feb 3, 2025 6:51 pm

Mavrelous wrote:People are giving Nico too much credit as basketball masternind, because of Lively, PJ Washington and Gafford, here is a list of his baffling mistakes:
1. Sold KP for 20 cents in the $ KP's value was at an absolute low because he was parked in the corner on offense for years
2. Let Brunson go Brunson's dad was in NY and the Knicks situation was desirable to JB despite what the Mavs did or didn't offer
3. Went into 22/23 with Luka and Dinwiddie as the only 2 players who can dribble on roster Fair point
4. Gave McGee 3 yrs deal, failed, looked to dump him, ended up waiving and stretching his last 2 years. Swing and a miss but not egregious
5. Wanted to sign Grant Williams for the MLE and try to sign Thybull4, did a manuever sending unprotected swap to the Spurs to pullnit off. Those players fit the bill for the kind of culture / team he was building. Sometimes it doesn't work out.
6. Had to pay unprotected 1st for PJ becauase he used Grant as matching salary Slight premium but PJ has worked wonders in DAL
7. Before PJ Washington and Gafford he wanted to use the picks to trade for Kuzma. That's not fair - Kuzma 1-2 years ago is MUCH different than Kuzma now

Nico had lots of mistakes, having Luka made him look smarter than he is, I'm afraid he and Kidd (brilliant defensive coach, idiot offensive coach) will be exposed, we'll wait and see.
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Re: Luka AD trade thread Part II 

Post#873 » by og15 » Mon Feb 3, 2025 6:51 pm

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What a terrible take..they mortgaged the future when they had a 25 yr old superstar. Who does that? And for a WORSE player. They do not control their 1st round pick from 2027 to 2030. Luka would have been 31 yrs old when the 2030 pick conveys. AD would be 37 yrs old.


Not saying it’s a good trade, Lakers should’ve added a couple 1st rounders at least, obviously a bad trade, just saying Luka & Davis player for player isn’t too much of a difference when considering defence and intangibles.


Not if your whole offensive system is Luka. Trading Luka means you don't have a system anymore, what happens in that case can we clearly see in last 20 Mavs games. Disastrous offense and 7 wins. AD won't suddenly bring new system to Mavs. Mavs don't have problems in front court, their problem is their backcourt.

Offensive systems can always be adjusted, the issue I'm seeing and others have mentioned is, who is the playmaker?

I've said MANY times in the past, Kyrie is a great scorer and secondary playmaker, but he's not a top playmaker. He's best if there's someone else or others to run the offense and make others open and get the ball to them. If the Mavs at least had some guy on the bench with that skillset, okay, but I don't see anyone on the team with that skillset.

Now, you can get a guy, but with Kyrie being a smaller guard, ideally you want a big guard playmaker, and you're unlikely to get a good one like that, so even if you theoretically get one, you will also have a small backcourt. I guess you hope your towards at the 3/4/5 make up for that.

I'm not sure about the team building philosophy here
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Re: Luka AD trade thread Part II 

Post#874 » by Archx » Mon Feb 3, 2025 6:53 pm

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Windhorst and MacMahon are 2 ESPN idiots who had an agenda against Luka for a long time. Remember, both Kidd and Luka had verbal altercations with MacMahon in the past because of his drama queen reports.
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Re: Luka AD trade thread Part II 

Post#875 » by Bob8 » Mon Feb 3, 2025 7:02 pm

og15 wrote:
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Not saying it’s a good trade, Lakers should’ve added a couple 1st rounders at least, obviously a bad trade, just saying Luka & Davis player for player isn’t too much of a difference when considering defence and intangibles.


Not if your whole offensive system is Luka. Trading Luka means you don't have a system anymore, what happens in that case can we clearly see in last 20 Mavs games. Disastrous offense and 7 wins. AD won't suddenly bring new system to Mavs. Mavs don't have problems in front court, their problem is their backcourt.

Offensive systems can always be adjusted, the issue I'm seeing and others have mentioned is, who is the playmaker?

I've said MANY times in the past, Kyrie is a great scorer and secondary playmaker, but he's not a top playmaker. He's best if there's someone else or others to run the offense and make others open and get the ball to them. If the Mavs at least had some guy on the bench with that skillset, okay, but I don't see anyone on the team with that skillset.

Now, you can get a guy, but with Kyrie being a smaller guard, ideally you want a big guard playmaker, and you're unlikely to get a good one like that, so even if you theoretically get one, you will also have a small backcourt. I guess you hope your towards at the 3/4/5 make up for that.

I'm not sure about the team building philosophy here


Problem is that Kidd didn't adjusted anything in last 20 games, Mavs are playing exactly like with Luka and look awful. 23rd offensive rtg in last 20 games. Kidd is disastrous offensive coach and was saved only by Luka's brilliance. That's gone now. Dinwiddie playing Luka's role is as bad as it could be and Kyrie is great Iso scorer and nothing more.

Nico doesn't understand that D can win you title only, if you have very good offense too. Mavs don't and I can't see how with current roster and coach that can change.
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Re: Luka AD trade thread Part II 

Post#876 » by robbie84 » Mon Feb 3, 2025 7:02 pm

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robbie84 wrote:The reason this is so shocking is because this is the first time in NBA history that 2 current All NBA players were traded for each other.

The shady part is that the somehow, after all their poor decisions- they still end up being GIFTED a top 5 NBA player, who is 25 years old, for a guy who is in the twilight of his career at age 32 with significant injury and leadership concerns.

There are 15>20 better guys and packages that the Mavs could have at least asked for before pulling the trigger on this, and yet the Lakers end up getting another superstar for what is essentially a ham sandwich in relative terms.


Technically Luka turns 26 before AD turns 32. :wink:


I had no idea his birthday was before AD's :lol:
I will edit his birthday now.
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Re: Luka AD trade thread Part II 

Post#879 » by Tracymcgoaty » Mon Feb 3, 2025 7:08 pm

Imma be as objective as i can as a basketball fan before a lakers fan.

If this crap is true that the owners of the Mavs did this in order to make the team suck sooner rather than later so they can move to Vegas.

Go ahead and investigate that ****. Thats spitting on the integrity of the game.

When the calciopoli happened in italy i said that if Milan were a big part of what happened they should get spat on by the entire fanbase and get whats coming to them.

Same thing with Dallas. Disgusting if this is true.

Thanks for Luka though :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Luka AD trade thread Part II 

Post#880 » by leolozon » Mon Feb 3, 2025 7:11 pm

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