Ex-Knicks, Sh**posts, and Old Trades - OH MY!

[Gravy]

Most of the Frank stans are the same anti Thibs group so that tells you everything you need to know. These guys are the bottom of the barrel here in terms of basketball knowledge and opinions. They post **** for reactions and most of it makes little to no sense.

When they say things like Thibs is not a modern coach and does not know anything about offense when we've had a top of the league offense two years in a row puts their basketball knowledge on par with astrology or flat earth science.

I think there are reasonable areas of disagreement with Thibs. NBA coaches aren't a homogenous group in terms of their approaches, tactics or philosophies, which tells us there is room for debate around certain practices or tendencies.

The analytics people who exhorted coaches to take more 3s in the mid-2000s were proven right. The coaches who didn't adapt to the 3-point revolution were proven wrong. This is just one case where most of the actual professionals were proven wrong, including some who were regarded as the best in the business.

Thibs knows more about basketball than all of us here. He's a decorated coach with a track record of (relative) success in the NBA, and he has coached some of the best defenses and offenses in the league. He knows what he is doing.

That being said, I think it's also fair to question some of his decisions.

Every coach has faults we can analyze. It gets too extreme when they say he is terrible and has no idea what he is doing while we are fighting for the #2 seed and breaking offensive records with a very thin roster of new players.

Most of the time the team with more talent will win regardless of coaching, the players hit their shots or they dont. This is a good team but if we need Landry Shamet and Hukporti to play important rotation minutes its not championship level yet. They need better depth

[Chanel Bomber]

When they say things like Thibs is not a modern coach and does not know anything about offense when we've had a top of the league offense two years in a row puts their basketball knowledge on par with astrology or flat earth science.

I think there are reasonable areas of disagreement with Thibs. NBA coaches aren't a homogenous group in terms of their approaches, tactics or philosophies, which tells us there is room for debate around certain practices or tendencies.

The analytics people who exhorted coaches to take more 3s in the mid-2000s were proven right. The coaches who didn't adapt to the 3-point revolution were proven wrong. This is just one case where most of the actual professionals were proven wrong, including some who were regarded as the best in the business.

Thibs knows more about basketball than all of us here. He's a decorated coach with a track record of (relative) success in the NBA, and he has coached some of the best defenses and offenses in the league. He knows what he is doing.

That being said, I think it's also fair to question some of his decisions.

Every coach has faults we can analyze. It gets too extreme when they say he is terrible and has no idea what he is doing while we are fighting for the #2 seed and breaking offensive records with a very thin roster of new players.

Most of the time the team with more talent will win regardless of coaching, the players hit their shots or they dont. This is a good team but if we need Landry Shamet and Hukporti to play important rotation minutes its not championship level yet. They need better depth

True but when teams of approximately equal talent meet then coaching can definitely swing a series one way or another.

This team needs more depth. But I think there is also a bigger picture to keeping your starters fit for the playoffs by keeping their burden under control. Playing Shamet 25 minutes per game may cost us a few regular season games but if it allows us to manage OG's minutes for instance (a notoriously fragile player), then I think it's something you have to consider to maximize the team's long-term chances of success.

[Gravy]

[reformed] frank stan AND thibs stan here.

I like pretty much all the kids when we first get them even Frank, but at some point you gotta admit they are wack or at least need a lot more developing.

I wanted us to draft Obi because I thought he was BPA and after a month in of seeing him play as a Knick I wanted him traded. It was obvious he was ass and he only looked good in college cause he played against weak comp.

I liked Obi in the draft too, those draft experts on TV said he was the next stoudemire they should be investigated for fraud!

[Capn'O]

I like pretty much all the kids when we first get them even Frank, but at some point you gotta admit they are wack or at least need a lot more developing.

I wanted us to draft Obi because I thought he was BPA and after a month in of seeing him play as a Knick I wanted him traded. It was obvious he was ass and he only looked good in college cause he played against weak comp.

The funny thing is, I hated Obi in the draft.

There are no frontcourts like that left in the playoffs, I don't want Toppin. Imagine a series vs the Celtics, who does he guard? You can't put Mitch on Tatum, and you can't put Obi on him either. A player like Toppin has to be able to defend 3s now, because a lot of teams are using small forwards at PF.

Your PF has to be able to guard multiple positions now.

- Me



But, sometimes we must embrace things we don't like to remove the things we like even less

I remember agreeing with this at the time but I thought he'd be good enough on offense to offset that. He most certainly was not.

I liked Obi in the draft too, those draft experts on TV said he was the next stoudemire they should be investigated for fraud!

He was billed as Amar'e Lite when he was actually Amar'e Mini

[Gravy]

I think there are reasonable areas of disagreement with Thibs. NBA coaches aren't a homogenous group in terms of their approaches, tactics or philosophies, which tells us there is room for debate around certain practices or tendencies.

The analytics people who exhorted coaches to take more 3s in the mid-2000s were proven right. The coaches who didn't adapt to the 3-point revolution were proven wrong. This is just one case where most of the actual professionals were proven wrong, including some who were regarded as the best in the business.

Thibs knows more about basketball than all of us here. He's a decorated coach with a track record of (relative) success in the NBA, and he has coached some of the best defenses and offenses in the league. He knows what he is doing.

That being said, I think it's also fair to question some of his decisions.

Every coach has faults we can analyze. It gets too extreme when they say he is terrible and has no idea what he is doing while we are fighting for the #2 seed and breaking offensive records with a very thin roster of new players.

Most of the time the team with more talent will win regardless of coaching, the players hit their shots or they dont. This is a good team but if we need Landry Shamet and Hukporti to play important rotation minutes its not championship level yet. They need better depth

True but when teams of approximately equal talent meet then coaching can definitely swing a series one way or another.

This team needs more depth. But I think there is also a bigger picture to keeping your starters fit for the playoffs by keeping their burden under control. Playing Shamet 25 minutes per game may cost us a few regular season games but if it allows us to manage OG's minutes for instance (a notoriously fragile player), then I think it's something you have to consider to maximize the team's long-term chances of success.

OG gets injured every season, he could average 29mpg and someone will say Thibs played him too many consecutive minutes once and got him hurt. The Thibs hysteria is crazy. How do we guarantee we preserve a player, Kawhi and Zion never play and still get injured when they step on the court.

Is the board really going to not complain about Shamets minutes when he's bricking and getting dunked on tonight

[Chanel Bomber]

Every coach has faults we can analyze. It gets too extreme when they say he is terrible and has no idea what he is doing while we are fighting for the #2 seed and breaking offensive records with a very thin roster of new players.

Most of the time the team with more talent will win regardless of coaching, the players hit their shots or they dont. This is a good team but if we need Landry Shamet and Hukporti to play important rotation minutes its not championship level yet. They need better depth

True but when teams of approximately equal talent meet then coaching can definitely swing a series one way or another.

This team needs more depth. But I think there is also a bigger picture to keeping your starters fit for the playoffs by keeping their burden under control. Playing Shamet 25 minutes per game may cost us a few regular season games but if it allows us to manage OG's minutes for instance (a notoriously fragile player), then I think it's something you have to consider to maximize the team's long-term chances of success.

OG gets injured every season, he could average 29mpg and someone will say Thibs played him too many consecutive minutes once and got him hurt. The Thibs hysteria is crazy. How do we guarantee we preserve a player, Kawhi and Zion never play and still get injured when they step on the court.

Is the board really going to not complain about Shamets minutes when he's bricking and getting dunked on tonight

Most of OG's injuries in Toronto were contact or freak injuries. A non-contact injury like the most recent one should raise alarm bells and correlation with him being top 10 in the league in minutes has to at least be considered. This isn't hysteria - it's at the very least plausible that those two things are correlated.

[Gravy]

True but when teams of approximately equal talent meet then coaching can definitely swing a series one way or another.

This team needs more depth. But I think there is also a bigger picture to keeping your starters fit for the playoffs by keeping their burden under control. Playing Shamet 25 minutes per game may cost us a few regular season games but if it allows us to manage OG's minutes for instance (a notoriously fragile player), then I think it's something you have to consider to maximize the team's long-term chances of success.

OG gets injured every season, he could average 29mpg and someone will say Thibs played him too many consecutive minutes once and got him hurt. The Thibs hysteria is crazy. How do we guarantee we preserve a player, Kawhi and Zion never play and still get injured when they step on the court.

Is the board really going to not complain about Shamets minutes when he's bricking and getting dunked on tonight

Most of OG's injuries in Toronto were contact or freak injuries. A non-contact injury like the most recent one should raise alarm bells and correlation with him being top 10 in the league in minutes has to at least be considered. This isn't hysteria - it's at the very least plausible that those two things are correlated.

It could be correlated or it could be an injury prone player getting injured again, we dont really know. I dont want him playing this many minutes either. I also understand why Thibs believes Shamet and Dadiet are unplayable. Maybe Shamet can use this opportunity to be productive and help win these games until OG is back.

[Guano]

[reformed] frank stan AND thibs stan here.

I like pretty much all the kids when we first get them even Frank, but at some point you gotta admit they are wack or at least need a lot more developing.

I wanted us to draft Obi because I thought he was BPA and after a month in of seeing him play as a Knick I wanted him traded. It was obvious he was ass and he only looked good in college cause he played against weak comp.

[Guano]

fourni3rs coach wouldn't be so pissed if he was playing em

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[Jeff Van Gully]

fourni3rs coach wouldn't be so pissed if he was playing em

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damn. your mans is reserve on olympiacos?

[thebuzzardman]

True but when teams of approximately equal talent meet then coaching can definitely swing a series one way or another.

This team needs more depth. But I think there is also a bigger picture to keeping your starters fit for the playoffs by keeping their burden under control. Playing Shamet 25 minutes per game may cost us a few regular season games but if it allows us to manage OG's minutes for instance (a notoriously fragile player), then I think it's something you have to consider to maximize the team's long-term chances of success.

OG gets injured every season, he could average 29mpg and someone will say Thibs played him too many consecutive minutes once and got him hurt. The Thibs hysteria is crazy. How do we guarantee we preserve a player, Kawhi and Zion never play and still get injured when they step on the court.

Is the board really going to not complain about Shamets minutes when he's bricking and getting dunked on tonight

Most of OG's injuries in Toronto were contact or freak injuries. A non-contact injury like the most recent one should raise alarm bells and correlation with him being top 10 in the league in minutes has to at least be considered. This isn't hysteria - it's at the very least plausible that those two things are correlated.

OG is Mr. Glass

[KnicksGadfly]

If Frank Obi and RJ were still here today mfers would be talking about Thibs is not using them right and needs to be fired. Smh. 95 percent of the time it's on the players.

Most of the Frank stans are the same anti Thibs group so that tells you everything you need to know. These guys are the bottom of the barrel here in terms of basketball knowledge and opinions. They post **** for reactions and most of it makes little to no sense.

This seems to align with the illogical arguments you make.

If you’re not in agreement with slurping Thibs = Frank Fan

If This is overplaying his players = so what, minutes don’t matter and have no effect on injuries

When people call you out = wow this is why the forum has been in a downfall and has been going downhill for the past decade

[KnicksGadfly]

Every coach has faults we can analyze. It gets too extreme when they say he is terrible and has no idea what he is doing while we are fighting for the #2 seed and breaking offensive records with a very thin roster of new players.

Most of the time the team with more talent will win regardless of coaching, the players hit their shots or they dont. This is a good team but if we need Landry Shamet and Hukporti to play important rotation minutes its not championship level yet. They need better depth

True but when teams of approximately equal talent meet then coaching can definitely swing a series one way or another.

This team needs more depth. But I think there is also a bigger picture to keeping your starters fit for the playoffs by keeping their burden under control. Playing Shamet 25 minutes per game may cost us a few regular season games but if it allows us to manage OG's minutes for instance (a notoriously fragile player), then I think it's something you have to consider to maximize the team's long-term chances of success.

How do we guarantee we preserve a player, Kawhi and Zion never play and still get injured when they step on the court:

So the solution is for the Clippers to play Kawhi Leonard a lot of minutes during the regular season?

Or maybe the Clippers should be smart with Kawhi Leonard and make sure that he can be healthy for the postseason, as much as possible?

Geez, I feel sorry for you that you think this is an actual argument for Thibs overplaying his players

[Guano]

fourni3rs coach wouldn't be so pissed if he was playing em

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damn. your mans is reserve on olympiacos?

Sitting on a winning lotto ticket

[Gravy]

True but when teams of approximately equal talent meet then coaching can definitely swing a series one way or another.

This team needs more depth. But I think there is also a bigger picture to keeping your starters fit for the playoffs by keeping their burden under control. Playing Shamet 25 minutes per game may cost us a few regular season games but if it allows us to manage OG's minutes for instance (a notoriously fragile player), then I think it's something you have to consider to maximize the team's long-term chances of success.

How do we guarantee we preserve a player, Kawhi and Zion never play and still get injured when they step on the court:

So the solution is for the Clippers to play Kawhi Leonard a lot of minutes during the regular season?

Or maybe the Clippers should be smart with Kawhi Leonard and make sure that he can be healthy for the postseason, as much as possible?

Geez, I feel sorry for you that you think this is an actual argument for Thibs overplaying his players

The Knicks defense is terrible when OG is not on the court, that makes the other players have to work harder and it puts them more at risk for injury. We can't both win games and rest all our players we don't have the depth. Some fans are fine with losing games to rest the players, the coach is not. I just have to hope they make a trade for a backup wing and get Mitch back healthy

[Guano]

Someone tell sham it's safe to come home. We have someone he can root for again

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[Chanel Bomber]

Someone tell sham it's safe to come home. We have someone he can root for again

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shamm logged on for the first time weeks to post that the vibes are off this season, and the Knicks went on to win 10 of the next 12 games or so.

I didn't want to believe the allegations but for all his wisdom and common sense the man has to be cursed.

Spoiler:

Him and meLo

[Guano]

Someone tell sham it's safe to come home. We have someone he can root for again

Read on Twitter

shamm logged on for the first time weeks to post that the vibes are off this season, and the Knicks went on to win 10 of the next 12 games or so.

I didn't want to believe the allegations but for all his wisdom and common sense the man has to be cursed.

Spoiler:

Him and meLo

Its no surprise he leaves and were having the best season of this century.

Sidenote, I found your Twitter account

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[Chanel Bomber]

Someone tell sham it's safe to come home. We have someone he can root for again

Read on Twitter

shamm logged on for the first time weeks to post that the vibes are off this season, and the Knicks went on to win 10 of the next 12 games or so.

I didn't want to believe the allegations but for all his wisdom and common sense the man has to be cursed.

Spoiler:

Him and meLo

Its no surprise he leaves and were having the best season of this century.

Sidenote, I found your Twitter account

Read on Twitter

I wouldn't spend 10 seconds of my life let alone exert physical energy with my fingers to compare King Snaku and MAGA Porter Jr in any way. I'm all for KD slander but I'm not using MAGA Porter to achieve my ends.

[nykballa2k4]

I wanted us to draft Obi because I thought he was BPA and after a month in of seeing him play as a Knick I wanted him traded. It was obvious he was ass and he only looked good in college cause he played against weak comp.

The funny thing is, I hated Obi in the draft.

There are no frontcourts like that left in the playoffs, I don't want Toppin. Imagine a series vs the Celtics, who does he guard? You can't put Mitch on Tatum, and you can't put Obi on him either. A player like Toppin has to be able to defend 3s now, because a lot of teams are using small forwards at PF.

Your PF has to be able to guard multiple positions now.

- Me



But, sometimes we must embrace things we don't like to remove the things we like even less

I remember agreeing with this at the time but I thought he'd be good enough on offense to offset that. He most certainly was not.

I liked Obi in the draft too, those draft experts on TV said he was the next stoudemire they should be investigated for fraud!

He was billed as Amar'e Lite when he was actually Amar'e Mini

I mean he was still better than Chris Taft!
(for younger audience, that was a guy NBAdraft.net compared to Amare)