An Ingram to Dallas deal, with Sac

[jayjaysee]

You won’t like it and neither will I? Didn’t think about the fourth team too much. Could have just been Demar to NOP to be a stabilizing vet next season?

Dallas: PJ, Gafford, Klay, 2025 Dallas first (top 10 protected or a second)
Dallas: Ingram, Theis, Len, 2027 SA first

Dallas loses PJ/Gafford duo but gains a guy that can create his own offense. Give him a flat 5yr200 mil contract. Or close to it. Theis hopefully has 20-30 games of big minutes in him with Lively out. Dallas chooses the SA first over the 2025 first because.. it opens up Dallas to trade 26/28/30/32 this offseason and Niko wants to make more good decisions? Or because the team is already semi-affordable now and wants to delay the picks for when the stars are declining?

Sac: Demar, Len and 2027 SAS first
Sac: PJ and Klay

Sac gets a starting power forward and a bench wing shooter.

NOP: Ingram, Theis
NOP: Gafford, Simone, Moore l, 2025 Dallas first (top 10 protected or a second)

NOP trims salary, gets a center to pair with Missi. Gets a first that most likely will convey if Ingram plays at all

Detroit: Simone, Moore
Detroit: Demar

Free talent to help this season?

[HornetJail]

Dallas is paying far too much. Gafford+Klay+Powell feels like enough. With a third team giving NOLA a decent pick for Gafford

[jayjaysee]

Dallas is paying far too much. Gafford+Klay+Powell feels like enough. With a third team giving NOLA a decent pick for Gafford

I had it as Gafford cancelling Klay and then PJ/Ingram mostly fair. The first for first addition is just to not start a rookie contract yet. But maybe Dallas should get to keep their first and NOP gets SAS’ first?

[HornetJail]

Dallas is paying far too much. Gafford+Klay+Powell feels like enough. With a third team giving NOLA a decent pick for Gafford

I had it as Gafford cancelling Klay and then PJ/Ingram mostly fair. The first for first addition is just to not start a rookie contract yet. But maybe Dallas should get to keep their first and NOP gets SAS’ first?

I don't see Klay as that severe of a negative. Think the right contender would throw a couple smaller contracts to have his shooting off the bench.

Or maybe I'm overvaluing Gafford's value to Dallas but I don't think I am.

[nykballa2k4]

I understand the salary is useful for matching, but I don't really see Gafford being dealt.
I could see Lively outgoing (rather than the FRP outward). Theis and Len are two min contract guys so not really noteworthy to me.
Klay, Lively, PJ for Ingram + seems logical.

Kings angle: I like PJ there, not a fan of Klay (they just dumped Huerter and need a facilitator)

Pistons angle: they need spacing more than what DDR brings, they might be a better fit for Klay but he would be somewhat redundant with THjr and Beas. Still could be interesting, but I worry he is negative value.

Pels in your version get a replacement level center (more of an asset for this year) and a meh FRP for a rental player. I feel they could do better.

[mademan]

I understand the salary is useful for matching, but I don't really see Gafford being dealt.
I could see Lively outgoing (rather than the FRP outward). Theis and Len are two min contract guys so not really noteworthy to me.
Klay, Lively, PJ for Ingram + seems logical.

Kings angle: I like PJ there, not a fan of Klay (they just dumped Huerter and need a facilitator)

Pistons angle: they need spacing more than what DDR brings, they might be a better fit for Klay but he would be somewhat redundant with THjr and Beas. Still could be interesting, but I worry he is negative value.

Pels in your version get a replacement level center (more of an asset for this year) and a meh FRP for a rental player. I feel they could do better.

I have Lively easily worth more than Ingram. Throwing PJ on top without getting serious value back is a big loss for the Mavs

[jayjaysee]

I understand the salary is useful for matching, but I don't really see Gafford being dealt.
I could see Lively outgoing (rather than the FRP outward). Theis and Len are two min contract guys so not really noteworthy to me.
Klay, Lively, PJ for Ingram + seems logical.

Kings angle: I like PJ there, not a fan of Klay (they just dumped Huerter and need a facilitator)

Pistons angle: they need spacing more than what DDR brings, they might be a better fit for Klay but he would be somewhat redundant with THjr and Beas. Still could be interesting, but I worry he is negative value.

Pels in your version get a replacement level center (more of an asset for this year) and a meh FRP for a rental player. I feel they could do better.

I have Lively easily worth more than Ingram. Throwing PJ on top without getting serious value back is a big loss for the Mavs

Yeah, if Lively is involved I feel Dallas is owed Sac’s value and some value from NOP probably?

But New Orleans has Missi so don’t see them targeting a second center prospect? IMO Missi has looked good enough to not want to replace him with another long term piece unless it’s just a star?

Gafford/Missi give them a nice duo for next season and they hope by the 3rd year Missi is ready for a full time starting role. Or they just keep Gafford long term…

[nykballa2k4]

I understand the salary is useful for matching, but I don't really see Gafford being dealt.
I could see Lively outgoing (rather than the FRP outward). Theis and Len are two min contract guys so not really noteworthy to me.
Klay, Lively, PJ for Ingram + seems logical.

Kings angle: I like PJ there, not a fan of Klay (they just dumped Huerter and need a facilitator)

Pistons angle: they need spacing more than what DDR brings, they might be a better fit for Klay but he would be somewhat redundant with THjr and Beas. Still could be interesting, but I worry he is negative value.

Pels in your version get a replacement level center (more of an asset for this year) and a meh FRP for a rental player. I feel they could do better.

I have Lively easily worth more than Ingram. Throwing PJ on top without getting serious value back is a big loss for the Mavs

That value is very fluid.
Lively is currently hurt. He is a good player/asset that's why I think NOP would actually PAY a value for him. Ingram for Klay(negative) PJ(positive) obviously is unbalanced the other way. Pels might be willing to part with a pick from their chest to get Lively.
Gafford
AD
Ingram
Grimes(I am biased, but fill this how you wish)
Kyrie
plus having draft assets still in the bank and under the tax. Come on down Ben Simmons!

Pels next year:
Lively
Zion
Murphy/Jones
Hawkins(my bias)
Murray/CJ

[nykballa2k4]

I understand the salary is useful for matching, but I don't really see Gafford being dealt.
I could see Lively outgoing (rather than the FRP outward). Theis and Len are two min contract guys so not really noteworthy to me.
Klay, Lively, PJ for Ingram + seems logical.

Kings angle: I like PJ there, not a fan of Klay (they just dumped Huerter and need a facilitator)

Pistons angle: they need spacing more than what DDR brings, they might be a better fit for Klay but he would be somewhat redundant with THjr and Beas. Still could be interesting, but I worry he is negative value.

Pels in your version get a replacement level center (more of an asset for this year) and a meh FRP for a rental player. I feel they could do better.

I have Lively easily worth more than Ingram. Throwing PJ on top without getting serious value back is a big loss for the Mavs

Yeah, if Lively is involved I feel Dallas is owed Sac’s value and some value from NOP probably?

But New Orleans has Missi so don’t see them targeting a second center prospect? IMO Missi has looked good enough to not want to replace him with another long term piece unless it’s just a star?

Gafford/Missi give them a nice duo for next season and they hope by the 3rd year Missi is ready for a full time starting role. Or they just keep Gafford long term…

reasonable argument

[mademan]

I understand the salary is useful for matching, but I don't really see Gafford being dealt.
I could see Lively outgoing (rather than the FRP outward). Theis and Len are two min contract guys so not really noteworthy to me.
Klay, Lively, PJ for Ingram + seems logical.

Kings angle: I like PJ there, not a fan of Klay (they just dumped Huerter and need a facilitator)

Pistons angle: they need spacing more than what DDR brings, they might be a better fit for Klay but he would be somewhat redundant with THjr and Beas. Still could be interesting, but I worry he is negative value.

Pels in your version get a replacement level center (more of an asset for this year) and a meh FRP for a rental player. I feel they could do better.

I have Lively easily worth more than Ingram. Throwing PJ on top without getting serious value back is a big loss for the Mavs

That value is very fluid.
Lively is currently hurt. He is a good player/asset that's why I think NOP would actually PAY a value for him. Ingram for Klay(negative) PJ(positive) obviously is unbalanced the other way. Pels might be willing to part with a pick from their chest to get Lively.
Gafford
AD
Ingram
Grimes(I am biased, but fill this how you wish)
Kyrie
plus having draft assets still in the bank and under the tax. Come on down Ben Simmons!

Pels next year:
Lively
Zion
Murphy/Jones
Hawkins(my bias)
Murray/CJ

Sure, Lively is hurt, but so is Ingram. And Lively is cheap for 2 more years and Ingram might command the max (and might have the leverage to do so if the Mavs pay this much).

If im the Mavs, the most i do for Ingram is Klay/Gafford/Omax/1st. Klay and Gafford cancel out, imo and they get a 1st and a fringe prospect for Ingram, which is where i think his value is.

[Mrakar]

Dallas is paying far too much. Gafford+Klay+Powell feels like enough. With a third team giving NOLA a decent pick for Gafford

They payed Luka Doncic for Anthony Davis, i wouldnt call this too much

[Astaluego]

Mavs
In:Ingram/Theis/J.Green/K.Ellis
Out: Gafford/PJ/Grimes/Marshall

Irving/Klay/Ingram/AD/Lively
SD/Christie/Ellis/JGreen/Theis

NOP
In:Lyles/Gafford/Marshall
Out:Ingram/Theis/J.Green

They save money, if the trading machine works correctly, this leaves them with a total limit of 173 million. They get a solid center to accompany the young Missi and a cheap wing that they already know, he played well for them and is worth his contract

KINGS
In:PJ/Grimes(TPE)
Out:Lyles/Ellis

Monk/Lavine/Murray/PJ/Sabonis
Carter/Grimes/DDR/Crowder/Lenn

(Kings end up with a total cap of 174.5 million after the trade)

they get the two-way forward they need and a 3D combo guard for depth to replace Ellis.

I think the KINGS owe an FRP but to whom, where do they send it...?

[zimpy27]

You won’t like it and neither will I? Didn’t think about the fourth team too much. Could have just been Demar to NOP to be a stabilizing vet next season?

Dallas: PJ, Gafford, Klay, 2025 Dallas first (top 10 protected or a second)
Dallas: Ingram, Theis, Len, 2027 SA first

Dallas loses PJ/Gafford duo but gains a guy that can create his own offense. Give him a flat 5yr200 mil contract. Or close to it. Theis hopefully has 20-30 games of big minutes in him with Lively out. Dallas chooses the SA first over the 2025 first because.. it opens up Dallas to trade 26/28/30/32 this offseason and Niko wants to make more good decisions? Or because the team is already semi-affordable now and wants to delay the picks for when the stars are declining?

Sac: Demar, Len and 2027 SAS first
Sac: PJ and Klay

Sac gets a starting power forward and a bench wing shooter.

NOP: Ingram, Theis
NOP: Gafford, Simone, Moore l, 2025 Dallas first (top 10 protected or a second)

NOP trims salary, gets a center to pair with Missi. Gets a first that most likely will convey if Ingram plays at all

Detroit: Simone, Moore
Detroit: Demar

Free talent to help this season?

I think Ingram is a great add to Dallas, I don't think this needs to be so complicated though.

Pels get Klay, Gafford, Powell, LAL29FRP

Dallas get Ingram, Theis

Kyrie, Christie, Ingram, Davis, Lively
Dinwiddie, Grimes, Naji, PJ, Theis

[LightTheBeam]

Love it for Sac. Please and thank you. Vivek gets to satisfy his Warriors obsession, we add another 40% 3pt shooter, and we get PJ who still feels like a perfect fit.

[jayjaysee]

You won’t like it and neither will I? Didn’t think about the fourth team too much. Could have just been Demar to NOP to be a stabilizing vet next season?

Dallas: PJ, Gafford, Klay, 2025 Dallas first (top 10 protected or a second)
Dallas: Ingram, Theis, Len, 2027 SA first

Dallas loses PJ/Gafford duo but gains a guy that can create his own offense. Give him a flat 5yr200 mil contract. Or close to it. Theis hopefully has 20-30 games of big minutes in him with Lively out. Dallas chooses the SA first over the 2025 first because.. it opens up Dallas to trade 26/28/30/32 this offseason and Niko wants to make more good decisions? Or because the team is already semi-affordable now and wants to delay the picks for when the stars are declining?

Sac: Demar, Len and 2027 SAS first
Sac: PJ and Klay

Sac gets a starting power forward and a bench wing shooter.

NOP: Ingram, Theis
NOP: Gafford, Simone, Moore l, 2025 Dallas first (top 10 protected or a second)

NOP trims salary, gets a center to pair with Missi. Gets a first that most likely will convey if Ingram plays at all

Detroit: Simone, Moore
Detroit: Demar

Free talent to help this season?

I think Ingram is a great add to Dallas, I don't think this needs to be so complicated though.

Pels get Klay, Gafford, Powell, LAL29FRP

Dallas get Ingram, Theis

Kyrie, Christie, Ingram, Davis, Lively
Dinwiddie, Grimes, Naji, PJ, Theis

I would love if Dallas would keep that group together.

I just think if you’re going three 40+ million contracts, you don’t get to keep PJ and aren’t going to pay Grimes with this new ownership group. So might as well use their value instead of pick value.

I’d also say it should be Dallas’ 2025 first instead of LAL’s 2029. Luka likely makes that a pick in the teens no matter what LA does. But I’ll wait that one out…

[zimpy27]

You won’t like it and neither will I? Didn’t think about the fourth team too much. Could have just been Demar to NOP to be a stabilizing vet next season?

Dallas: PJ, Gafford, Klay, 2025 Dallas first (top 10 protected or a second)
Dallas: Ingram, Theis, Len, 2027 SA first

Dallas loses PJ/Gafford duo but gains a guy that can create his own offense. Give him a flat 5yr200 mil contract. Or close to it. Theis hopefully has 20-30 games of big minutes in him with Lively out. Dallas chooses the SA first over the 2025 first because.. it opens up Dallas to trade 26/28/30/32 this offseason and Niko wants to make more good decisions? Or because the team is already semi-affordable now and wants to delay the picks for when the stars are declining?

Sac: Demar, Len and 2027 SAS first
Sac: PJ and Klay

Sac gets a starting power forward and a bench wing shooter.

NOP: Ingram, Theis
NOP: Gafford, Simone, Moore l, 2025 Dallas first (top 10 protected or a second)

NOP trims salary, gets a center to pair with Missi. Gets a first that most likely will convey if Ingram plays at all

Detroit: Simone, Moore
Detroit: Demar

Free talent to help this season?

I think Ingram is a great add to Dallas, I don't think this needs to be so complicated though.

Pels get Klay, Gafford, Powell, LAL29FRP

Dallas get Ingram, Theis

Kyrie, Christie, Ingram, Davis, Lively
Dinwiddie, Grimes, Naji, PJ, Theis

I would love if Dallas would keep that group together.

I just think if you’re going three 40+ million contracts, you don’t get to keep PJ and aren’t going to pay Grimes with this new ownership group. So might as well use their value instead of pick value.

I’d also say it should be Dallas’ 2025 first instead of LAL’s 2029. Luka likely makes that a pick in the teens no matter what LA does. But I’ll wait that one out…

Good point, important to think of financial implications after this season. Could you make this trade for a run this year and then look to move PJ in the offseason?

[jayjaysee]

I think Ingram is a great add to Dallas, I don't think this needs to be so complicated though.

Pels get Klay, Gafford, Powell, LAL29FRP

Dallas get Ingram, Theis

Kyrie, Christie, Ingram, Davis, Lively
Dinwiddie, Grimes, Naji, PJ, Theis

I would love if Dallas would keep that group together.

I just think if you’re going three 40+ million contracts, you don’t get to keep PJ and aren’t going to pay Grimes with this new ownership group. So might as well use their value instead of pick value.

I’d also say it should be Dallas’ 2025 first instead of LAL’s 2029. Luka likely makes that a pick in the teens no matter what LA does. But I’ll wait that one out…

Good point, important to think of financial implications after this season. Could you make this trade for a run this year and then look to move PJ in the offseason?

If it’s the Dallas first? Yeah. Assuming that deal keeps Dallas under the tax. Sub/throw in Grimes if you want.

[OxAndFox]

Mavs
In:Ingram/Theis/J.Green/K.Ellis
Out: Gafford/PJ/Grimes/Marshall

Irving/Klay/Ingram/AD/Lively
SD/Christie/Ellis/JGreen/Theis

NOP
In:Lyles/Gafford/Marshall
Out:Ingram/Theis/J.Green

They save money, if the trading machine works correctly, this leaves them with a total limit of 173 million. They get a solid center to accompany the young Missi and a cheap wing that they already know, he played well for them and is worth his contract

KINGS
In:PJ/Grimes(TPE)
Out:Lyles/Ellis

Monk/Lavine/Murray/PJ/Sabonis
Carter/Grimes/DDR/Crowder/Lenn

(Kings end up with a total cap of 174.5 million after the trade)

they get the two-way forward they need and a 3D combo guard for depth to replace Ellis.

I think the KINGS owe an FRP but to whom, where do they send it...?

No with Keon in it. He isn't really a throw in. Take out Grimes and Keon then. And if it falls apart because of that then there needs to be a different version.