PG (lac): Raps dump clippers!

[Shakril]

Never would have thought at any point in this season with this group we would have the #1 defence over a 10 game stretch.

That is a massive development based off where we were... a month ago?

19th-ranked offense from Golden State, 3rd rank O from Boston, 11th ranked Bucks, 29th ranked Orlando, 23rd-ranked Hawks twice, 26th ranked Pelicans, 30th-ranked Wizards, 17th ranked Bulls, 21st-ranked Clippers.

Not THAT hard to envision that we would have looked pretty good against those opponents across the 10-game stretch, tbh.

You know what the problem with that kind of rankings is?

It only shows the averages, but doesnt tell you how good or bad they played each game. Have there been outliers that have dragged down the offensive rating? Maybe they all have good offense, but inbetween they have that one awful offensive game, that kills the ratings.

Its like with shooting from 3:

One player can have:

1/7
2/6
1/5
9/10
1/4

Shooting from 3, which equates to 42% from 3, but actually only 1 game was actually good.

At the same time someone can have:

2/5
2/5
3/5
3/7
0/4

This would result to an 38% shooter, but outside of one bad game, that guy actually was reliable from 3.

So tell me, who is the better shooter of those two?

[YogurtProducer]

Never would have thought at any point in this season with this group we would have the #1 defence over a 10 game stretch.

That is a massive development based off where we were... a month ago?

19th-ranked offense from Golden State, 3rd rank O from Boston, 11th ranked Bucks, 29th ranked Orlando, 23rd-ranked Hawks twice, 26th ranked Pelicans, 30th-ranked Wizards, 17th ranked Bulls, 21st-ranked Clippers.

Not THAT hard to envision that we would have looked pretty good against those opponents across the 10-game stretch, tbh.

Last 10 games - 105.7 DRTG (1st)
10 games prior - 126.1DRG (30th, and 7.2 points worse than 29th).

Even with those 10 opponents, thats on average the 20th-ish best offense in the league which is a 111.2ORTG. We are holding teams WAY below that recently.

GSW - 111.7ORTG (107.4 vs us)
BOS - 118.6ORTG (103.2 vs us)
MIL - 114.2ORTG (128.7 vs us)
ORL - 106.9ORTG (100.0 vs us)
ATL - 110.3ORTG (113.3 vs us)
ATL - 110.3ORTG (86.2 vs us)
NOP - 109.5ORTG (100.0 vs us)
WAS - 104.1ORTG (85.4 vs us)
CHI - 111.8ORTG (120.8 vs us)
LAC - 111.2ORTG (112.5 vs us)

6 teams below their season averages, 2 pretty much at the average (ATL + LAC) and 2 above. But even if you take our 5 worst performances of those 10, it is still a 113.4DRTG which would be 16th over the entire year.

IDK man - its certainly something worth discussion, and waving it away as "bad opponents" is kind of ridiculous. You could maybe say that if we were like 16th or something, but 1st? That is pretty wild, no matter who you are playing.

[YogurtProducer]

Never would have thought at any point in this season with this group we would have the #1 defence over a 10 game stretch.

That is a massive development based off where we were... a month ago?

19th-ranked offense from Golden State, 3rd rank O from Boston, 11th ranked Bucks, 29th ranked Orlando, 23rd-ranked Hawks twice, 26th ranked Pelicans, 30th-ranked Wizards, 17th ranked Bulls, 21st-ranked Clippers.

Not THAT hard to envision that we would have looked pretty good against those opponents across the 10-game stretch, tbh.

You know what the problem with that kind of rankings is?

It only shows the averages, but doesnt tell you how good or bad they played each game. Have there been outliers that have dragged down the offensive rating? Maybe they all have good offense, but inbetween they have that one awful offensive game, that kills the ratings.

Its like with shooting from 3:

One player can have:

1/7
2/6
1/5
9/10
1/4

Shooting from 3, which equates to 42% from 3, but actually only 1 game was actually good.

At the same time someone can have:

2/5
2/5
3/5
3/7
0/4

This would result to an 38% shooter, but outside of one bad game, that guy actually was reliable from 3.

So tell me, who is the better shooter of those two?

Trying to say who the better shooter is off of a 5 game sample is fools gold in itself.

Every single good shooter has games where they go 0/7 or 8/10. It is just the reality of being a shooter.

[YogurtProducer]

Never would have thought at any point in this season with this group we would have the #1 defence over a 10 game stretch.

That is a massive development based off where we were... a month ago?

This is probably more sustainable than some outlier hot shooting as a team or having a player on a hot streak carrying them. Nobody has scored more than 25 during this 10 game stretch.

But, yeah pretty mind blowing to go from the worst defensive team in the league the prior 15-20 games or so to the best in the last 10.

Speaking of this, I checked to see if it is just some variance from 3.

But it is not like we are holding teams to unsustainable %'s from 3. Teams are 19th in 3pt% above the break, 9th from right corner, and 28th from left corner. So really maybe a little 3 point luck, but not a ton.

Edit: found the full stats. Teams are shooting 33% from 3 against us in the last 10. So that probably is gonna creep up closer to 36%. But still, that is only a point or 2 a game. Not a huge reason.

[tsherkin]

IDK man - its certainly something worth discussion, and waving it away as "bad opponents" is kind of ridiculous. You could maybe say that if we were like 16th or something, but 1st? That is pretty wild, no matter who you are playing.

Sure, it's a conversation point, no doubt. But I won't really care until we spend a stretch playing actually good teams by majority, you know? We played bad teams, mostly, and we did quite well. It's a good overall stretch of defense. But before I pay too much attention, I want to see them doing it against more competent offenses. And, ideally, over a larger sample than 10 games.

But certainly, it's a bright spot to discuss. We are, though, the 25th-ranked D in the league at the moment. So that's another point of deviation for me. It's so far removed from our seasonal performance that it encourages my suspicion, you know? Especially with the catalog of opponents.

[Shakril]

19th-ranked offense from Golden State, 3rd rank O from Boston, 11th ranked Bucks, 29th ranked Orlando, 23rd-ranked Hawks twice, 26th ranked Pelicans, 30th-ranked Wizards, 17th ranked Bulls, 21st-ranked Clippers.

Not THAT hard to envision that we would have looked pretty good against those opponents across the 10-game stretch, tbh.

You know what the problem with that kind of rankings is?

It only shows the averages, but doesnt tell you how good or bad they played each game. Have there been outliers that have dragged down the offensive rating? Maybe they all have good offense, but inbetween they have that one awful offensive game, that kills the ratings.

Its like with shooting from 3:

One player can have:

1/7
2/6
1/5
9/10
1/4

Shooting from 3, which equates to 42% from 3, but actually only 1 game was actually good.

At the same time someone can have:

2/5
2/5
3/5
3/7
0/4

This would result to an 38% shooter, but outside of one bad game, that guy actually was reliable from 3.

So tell me, who is the better shooter of those two?

Trying to say who the better shooter is off of a 5 game sample is fools gold in itself.

Every single good shooter has games where they go 0/7 or 8/10. It is just the reality of being a shooter.

I just chose 5 games to make it easier to understand. I could write 100 games with the same result. Averages are misleading, cause they dont take outliers into account - in both directions.

[deeps6x]

rj with the best d i've seen him play in a raptors jersey

I never thought I would see RJ handle Kawhi like that.

They wanted him to shoot better, he does.

They wanted him to pass more, he does.

They wanted him to improve his defense, he's doing it.

RJ is doing whatever he needs to for his home team to win.

Well... just stop it. Do whatever you need to do for your home team to lose by 2.

Then get a top 5 draft pick to help you win a championship.

[PushDaRock]

Never would have thought at any point in this season with this group we would have the #1 defence over a 10 game stretch.

That is a massive development based off where we were... a month ago?

This is probably more sustainable than some outlier hot shooting as a team or having a player on a hot streak carrying them. Nobody has scored more than 25 during this 10 game stretch.

But, yeah pretty mind blowing to go from the worst defensive team in the league the prior 15-20 games or so to the best in the last 10.

Speaking of this, I checked to see if it is just some variance from 3.

But it is not like we are holding teams to unsustainable %'s from 3. Teams are 19th in 3pt% above the break, 9th from right corner, and 28th from left corner. So really maybe a little 3 point luck, but not a ton.

Edit: found the full stats. Teams are shooting 33% from 3 against us in the last 10. So that probably is gonna creep up closer to 36%. But still, that is only a point or 2 a game. Not a huge reason.

Just off eye test, it's a night and day difference in our rotations and transition D. Maybe it was a lack of reps playing together or taking a long time to grasp our schemes, but everyone is just locked in right now on that end. RJ is the one guy I would point out that has drastically improved defensively, he's become one of our better man defenders and even Gradey has had some better reps on that end through this stretch.

[Dennis 37]

Don't be booing the anthem. That's bush league.

Good advice. Much better to ass kiss the Orange Marmalade Dictator and just relinquish our sovereignty to him. You do realize this is not at all about fentanyl or asylum seekers? This is about economic warfare for the purpose of gaining territory. What the hell did you think all the 51st state talk was about?

What does any of that have to do with American professional players playing basketball? Especially the one's who play for our team?

If you've been paying attention, the audience is not the American basketball players. American MSM news as well as numerous YouTube have spread the booing of their anthem.

It is communicating to the American public, American business people, and American politicians, that their northern neighbours are ticked off. Ticked off to the point we will boo their anthem. Ticked off to the point where we are going to boycott products even before tariffs get applied. I went shopping today and found blueberries from Morroco. Funny that we are at a place where Morocco is a better friend than the US.

These American basketball players spent 2 years booing their own government and society through the BLM messaging, some of which was on their jerseys.

What was Kapernick's taking a knee if not booing his own anthem?

[Dennis 37]

This is probably more sustainable than some outlier hot shooting as a team or having a player on a hot streak carrying them. Nobody has scored more than 25 during this 10 game stretch.

But, yeah pretty mind blowing to go from the worst defensive team in the league the prior 15-20 games or so to the best in the last 10.

Speaking of this, I checked to see if it is just some variance from 3.

But it is not like we are holding teams to unsustainable %'s from 3. Teams are 19th in 3pt% above the break, 9th from right corner, and 28th from left corner. So really maybe a little 3 point luck, but not a ton.

Edit: found the full stats. Teams are shooting 33% from 3 against us in the last 10. So that probably is gonna creep up closer to 36%. But still, that is only a point or 2 a game. Not a huge reason.

Just off eye test, it's a night and day difference in our rotations and transition D. Maybe it was a lack of reps playing together or taking a long time to grasp our schemes, but everyone is just locked in right now on that end. RJ is the one guy I would point out that has drastically improved defensively, he's become one of our better man defenders and even Gradey has had some better reps on that end through this stretch.

I was skeptical that a guy that many years in the league could step up his defence. Is it his happiness to play at home that makes him work harder, or is it coaching? Maybe both?

[beanbag]

Good advice. Much better to ass kiss the Orange Marmalade Dictator and just relinquish our sovereignty to him. You do realize this is not at all about fentanyl or asylum seekers? This is about economic warfare for the purpose of gaining territory. What the hell did you think all the 51st state talk was about?

What does any of that have to do with American professional players playing basketball? Especially the one's who play for our team?

If you've been paying attention, the audience is not the American basketball players. American MSM news as well as numerous YouTube have spread the booing of their anthem.

It is communicating to the American public, American business people, and American politicians, that their northern neighbours are ticked off. Ticked off to the point we will boo their anthem. Ticked off to the point where we are going to boycott products even before tariffs get applied. I went shopping today and found blueberries from Morroco. Funny that we are at a place where Morocco is a better friend than the US.

These American basketball players spent 2 years booing their own government and society through the BLM messaging, some of which was on their jerseys.

What was Kapernick's taking a knee if not booing his own anthem?

You're totally right, but I have a sneaking suspicion ol canzy boy doesn't think too highly of Kapernick either lol.

[beanbag]

rj with the best d i've seen him play in a raptors jersey

I never thought I would see RJ handle Kawhi like that.

They wanted him to shoot better, he does.

They wanted him to pass more, he does.

They wanted him to improve his defense, he's doing it.

RJ is doing whatever he needs to for his home team to win.

Well... just stop it. Do whatever you need to do for your home team to lose by 2.

Then get a top 5 draft pick to help you win a championship.

Lol

[DreamTeam09]

Never would have thought at any point in this season with this group we would have the #1 defence over a 10 game stretch.

That is a massive development based off where we were... a month ago?

19th-ranked offense from Golden State, 3rd rank O from Boston, 11th ranked Bucks, 29th ranked Orlando, 23rd-ranked Hawks twice, 26th ranked Pelicans, 30th-ranked Wizards, 17th ranked Bulls, 21st-ranked Clippers.

Not THAT hard to envision that we would have looked pretty good against those opponents across the 10-game stretch, tbh.

You know what the problem with that kind of rankings is?

It only shows the averages, but doesnt tell you how good or bad they played each game. Have there been outliers that have dragged down the offensive rating? Maybe they all have good offense, but inbetween they have that one awful offensive game, that kills the ratings.

Its like with shooting from 3:

One player can have:

1/7
2/6
1/5
9/10
1/4

Shooting from 3, which equates to 42% from 3, but actually only 1 game was actually good.

At the same time someone can have:

2/5
2/5
3/5
3/7
0/4

This would result to an 38% shooter, but outside of one bad game, that guy actually was reliable from 3.

So tell me, who is the better shooter of those two?

Heild comes to mind when you see numbers like the top sample. Could also be called as an overrated shooter as far as how many makes he has.

[canz55]

Good advice. Much better to ass kiss the Orange Marmalade Dictator and just relinquish our sovereignty to him. You do realize this is not at all about fentanyl or asylum seekers? This is about economic warfare for the purpose of gaining territory. What the hell did you think all the 51st state talk was about?

What does any of that have to do with American professional players playing basketball? Especially the one's who play for our team?

If you've been paying attention, the audience is not the American basketball players. American MSM news as well as numerous YouTube have spread the booing of their anthem.

It is communicating to the American public, American business people, and American politicians, that their northern neighbours are ticked off. Ticked off to the point we will boo their anthem. Ticked off to the point where we are going to boycott products even before tariffs get applied. I went shopping today and found blueberries from Morroco. Funny that we are at a place where Morocco is a better friend than the US.

These American basketball players spent 2 years booing their own government and society through the BLM messaging, some of which was on their jerseys.

What was Kapernick's taking a knee if not booing his own anthem?

They don't care and neither should you.

[Tripod]

What does any of that have to do with American professional players playing basketball? Especially the one's who play for our team?

If you've been paying attention, the audience is not the American basketball players. American MSM news as well as numerous YouTube have spread the booing of their anthem.

It is communicating to the American public, American business people, and American politicians, that their northern neighbours are ticked off. Ticked off to the point we will boo their anthem. Ticked off to the point where we are going to boycott products even before tariffs get applied. I went shopping today and found blueberries from Morroco. Funny that we are at a place where Morocco is a better friend than the US.

These American basketball players spent 2 years booing their own government and society through the BLM messaging, some of which was on their jerseys.

What was Kapernick's taking a knee if not booing his own anthem?

They don't care and neither should you.

My wife turned on The View yesterday to listen to the old crows complain about DT, and even they showed the Raps game with fans booing.

1st time Raps have been on The View I bet....lol.

[Dennis 37]

What does any of that have to do with American professional players playing basketball? Especially the one's who play for our team?

If you've been paying attention, the audience is not the American basketball players. American MSM news as well as numerous YouTube have spread the booing of their anthem.

It is communicating to the American public, American business people, and American politicians, that their northern neighbours are ticked off. Ticked off to the point we will boo their anthem. Ticked off to the point where we are going to boycott products even before tariffs get applied. I went shopping today and found blueberries from Morroco. Funny that we are at a place where Morocco is a better friend than the US.

These American basketball players spent 2 years booing their own government and society through the BLM messaging, some of which was on their jerseys.

What was Kapernick's taking a knee if not booing his own anthem?

They don't care and neither should you.

Many of them are brainwashed, I agree. But you don't fight that mental state by being quiet.

The booing has made international news. It was reported on the BBC website. Our making noise could affect worldwide boycott of American goods and could increase sales for our goods.

As I mentioned on another post, I bought Moroccan blueberries the other day. Normally, if I saw USA blueberries at the same time, I would have bought the USA ones. People in Europe may start to buy Canada over the USA if those are their options.

[tsherkin]

You know what the problem with that kind of rankings is?

It only shows the averages, but doesnt tell you how good or bad they played each game. Have there been outliers that have dragged down the offensive rating? Maybe they all have good offense, but inbetween they have that one awful offensive game, that kills the ratings.

There isn't one game which can take you from a good or average defense and make you rank among the worst in the league over 40+ games, though, so that doesn't really apply in this context. When you're talking about 100 poss/g or so, the sample size is a little different than when you're talking about your 5/9 or 0/7 type games from 3. When you're consistently bad over half a season or more, that shows through. And so when you're talking about a 10-game stretch against a whole bunch of really bad teams, it should raise an eyebrow, but only to a certain extent. If we KEEP doing it, then it gets interesting. But we've had our guys for most of the season. We've played 49 games. Scottie's missed 13. Davion Mitchell has played 43 of them, and started 22. Agbaji's played 43 games. Poeltl has played 44. Like, our key defensive pieces have been around. Occam's Razor, right? If a big chunk of your opponents in a given stretch are crap offenses, then your defensive efficacy is probably at least in part related to how bad those teams are at playing offense more so than massive reversal of team defensive efficacy with largely the same roster.

If we HAVE suddenly changed things up to anything even remotely close to this extent, then we're going definitely out of the lottery to any meaningful degree, for whatever that's worth. If we're suddenly a 15th-ranked defense instead of one of the worst in the league, it's going to make a very large difference in our competitive profile.

[canz55]

If you've been paying attention, the audience is not the American basketball players. American MSM news as well as numerous YouTube have spread the booing of their anthem.

It is communicating to the American public, American business people, and American politicians, that their northern neighbours are ticked off. Ticked off to the point we will boo their anthem. Ticked off to the point where we are going to boycott products even before tariffs get applied. I went shopping today and found blueberries from Morroco. Funny that we are at a place where Morocco is a better friend than the US.

These American basketball players spent 2 years booing their own government and society through the BLM messaging, some of which was on their jerseys.

What was Kapernick's taking a knee if not booing his own anthem?

They don't care and neither should you.

Many of them are brainwashed, I agree. But you don't fight that mental state by being quiet.

The booing has made international news. It was reported on the BBC website. Our making noise could affect worldwide boycott of American goods and could increase sales for our goods.

As I mentioned on another post, I bought Moroccan blueberries the other day. Normally, if I saw USA blueberries at the same time, I would have bought the USA ones. People in Europe may start to buy Canada over the USA if those are their options.

Lost in all this is Trump only has a 4 year mandate. By comparison, Americans who did happen to catch the booing who are Trump voters will remember it for much longer.

[niQ]

They don't care and neither should you.

Many of them are brainwashed, I agree. But you don't fight that mental state by being quiet.

The booing has made international news. It was reported on the BBC website. Our making noise could affect worldwide boycott of American goods and could increase sales for our goods.

As I mentioned on another post, I bought Moroccan blueberries the other day. Normally, if I saw USA blueberries at the same time, I would have bought the USA ones. People in Europe may start to buy Canada over the USA if those are their options.

Lost in all this is Trump only has a 4 year mandate. By comparison, Americans who did happen to catch the booing who are Trump voters will remember it for much longer.

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