Trade Ideas

[jbk1234]

Levert is a key player for the Cavs imo. The Cavs need Levert if they are to be a legit contender in the playoffs.

He's a jack of all trades, master of none type player who has the occasional black swan game where he goes for a lot. I have Strus and Wade as more important to our post season success and probably Jerome as well. I'm fine keeping Levert, but I don't know that they'll pay more than the MLE to retain him.

Levert is a creator with the ball in his hands and can breakdown the defense. These other players mentioned cannot do that. Strus is not much of a creator. Wade definitely not a creator.

LeVert is the 4th best creator on the roster. I've watched him now for 3 seasons. He struggles to break down anything, other than perhaps a possession, when playing a good defensive team. All of our slippage has been on the defensive end since Wade, Okoro and LeVert have gone down with injuries. We're still scoring at will.

[JujitsuFlip]

Levert is a key player for the Cavs imo. The Cavs need Levert if they are to be a legit contender in the playoffs.

Nah Ty makes him irrelevant.

When Strus and LeVert were coming off the bench together, it is redundant. They do different things but both require touches for rhythm.

Trade LeVert and get back a big and get under the tax. If ya can do that while keeping spot 15 open, cool. If. Not, take 2 guys back who make combined less than LeVert and go on with the season.

Kenny isn't jb, he'll figure out how to use whatever pieces are added to this squad.

[ijspeelman]

Would you be disappointed if the Cavs didn't make a move at the deadline?

Either to go for it by trading future assets for a bigger piece or making a small move to get below the tax line?

[JujitsuFlip]

Would you be disappointed if the Cavs didn't make a move at the deadline?

Either to go for it by trading future assets for a bigger piece or making a small move to get below the tax line?

I personally do not care if they go into the tax a year early. But to me, if they do that, leaving spot 15 open for the 4th season in a row, was stupid.

Trying to bring dudes in, in Feb or March and have them play rotation minutes in the post season is doing neither side any favors. Just have the guy here from training camp to learn the system and build cohesion.

Koby has some obsession with not filling spot 15, every season, until the last possible instant.

[jbk1234]

They at least have to duck the tax. You can't be this close and start the repeater tax a year early. Everyone knows who I want traded.

[JujitsuFlip]

They at least have to duck the tax. You can't be this close and start the repeater tax a year early. Everyone knows who I want traded.

I just wonder what it would cost to dump Niang.

I also wonder if Donovan likes having him around or if that's all overstated.

[toooskies]

Latest Wine & Gold podcast had Fedor mentioning that Merrill is the likely odd man out of the regular-season rotation and the likely candidate to salary dump if the Cavs are going to squeeze under the tax.

[JujitsuFlip]

Latest Wine & Gold podcast had Fedor mentioning that Merrill is the likely odd man out of the regular-season rotation and the likely candidate to salary dump if the Cavs are going to squeeze under the tax.

I could see that. Last night's performance helps the cause.

Could go 2 weeks before signing the first 10 day guy.

It would still take some creative cap maneuvering, as dumping him for nothing only puts the Cavs $352,026 under the tax line.

We gave Marcus Morris $197,328 and $116,075 one for his 10 day and the other for his prorated vet min.

Below are what our other 10 day guys received last season.

Zhaire Smith: $139,290
Cooper: $103,550

[toooskies]

Latest Wine & Gold podcast had Fedor mentioning that Merrill is the likely odd man out of the regular-season rotation and the likely candidate to salary dump if the Cavs are going to squeeze under the tax.

I could see that. Last night's performance helps the cause.

Could go 2 weeks before signing the first 10 day guy.

It would still take some creative cap maneuvering, as dumping him for nothing only puts the Cavs $352,026 under the tax line.

We gave Marcus Morris $197,328 and $116,075 one for his 10 day and the other for his prorated vet min.

Below are what our other 10 day guys received last season.

Zhaire Smith: $139,290
Cooper: $103,550

Do we know why CPJ's cap number and tax number are different?

[JonFromVA]

They at least have to duck the tax. You can't be this close and start the repeater tax a year early. Everyone knows who I want traded.

I just wonder what it would cost to dump Niang.

I also wonder if Donovan likes having him around or if that's all overstated.

It's not just about keeping Mitchell happy, Kenny raves about him. Georges isn't going anywhere just to get under the tax.

And like I've said before, I'd love to hear someone like Koby explain the ramifications of the repeater tax because if the money doesn't matter I'm not sure we're going to have much of any roster flexibility moving forward and if that's the case we might as well hold on to every useful piece we can until hard capped.

[jbk1234]

They at least have to duck the tax. You can't be this close and start the repeater tax a year early. Everyone knows who I want traded.

I just wonder what it would cost to dump Niang.

I also wonder if Donovan likes having him around or if that's all overstated.

It's not just about keeping Mitchell happy, Kenny raves about him. Georges isn't going anywhere just to get under the tax.

And like I've said before, I'd love to hear someone like Koby explain the ramifications of the repeater tax because if the money doesn't matter I'm not sure we're going to have much of any roster flexibility moving forward and if that's the case we might as well hold on to every useful piece we can until hard capped.

The sole reason Richard Jefferson was traded on LBJ's last season was the repeater tax, and that was before the apron penalties. Moving his $2.5M deal saved ownership more than $10M.

[JujitsuFlip]

Latest Wine & Gold podcast had Fedor mentioning that Merrill is the likely odd man out of the regular-season rotation and the likely candidate to salary dump if the Cavs are going to squeeze under the tax.

I could see that. Last night's performance helps the cause.

Could go 2 weeks before signing the first 10 day guy.

It would still take some creative cap maneuvering, as dumping him for nothing only puts the Cavs $352,026 under the tax line.

We gave Marcus Morris $197,328 and $116,075 one for his 10 day and the other for his prorated vet min.

Below are what our other 10 day guys received last season.

Zhaire Smith: $139,290
Cooper: $103,550

Do we know why CPJ's cap number and tax number are different?

I do not, i just searched the CBA and Constitution & bylaws, no luck.

Admittedly, you know the current CBA better than i do. In the past i knew them front to back but they've added so much stuff recently my knowledge is outdated.

https://www.spotrac.com/news/_/id/2520/the-complicated-case-of-nba-bonuses-taxes-and-aprons

I found this link but still does not explain CPJ's situation, his tax salary being higher than his base salary/cap hit.

I wanna say it's a typo but i doubt a place like Spotrac would publish a mess up.

Edit: i couldn't find Larry Coon's e-mail so i e-mailed Spotrac's group e-mail. I'll let ya know if they respond.

[JonFromVA]

Random thought assuming Dallas is looking for someone who can create some offense:

LeVert for PJ Washington

It even saves us some cap space, and Washington's contract is descending.

Dallas can stack their roster with 30+ year old players.

[jbk1234]

Random thought assuming Dallas is looking for someone who can create some offense:

LeVert for PJ Washington

It even saves us some cap space, and Washington's contract is descending.

Dallas can stack their roster with 30+ year old players.

I'd love it, but I don't see the Mavs even entertaining the discussion tbh.

[JujitsuFlip]

Random thought assuming Dallas is looking for someone who can create some offense:

LeVert for PJ Washington

It even saves us some cap space, and Washington's contract is descending.

Dallas can stack their roster with 30+ year old players.

I'd do it.

Kidd said AD is going to play the 4. I assume Gafford plays 5 until Lively gets back. Kyrie at 1, Klay at 2.

PJ could try to play 3 but just seems like a logjam of non shooters in the front court. Or i guess he could come off the bench.

But yeah, I'd do it. Idk if the Mavs would though.

[JonFromVA]

Random thought assuming Dallas is looking for someone who can create some offense:

LeVert for PJ Washington

It even saves us some cap space, and Washington's contract is descending.

Dallas can stack their roster with 30+ year old players.

I'd do it.

Kidd said AD is going to play the 4. I assume Gafford plays 5 until Lively gets back. Kyrie at 1, Klay at 2.

PJ could try to play 3 but just seems like a logjam of non shooters in the front court. Or i guess he could come off the bench.

But yeah, I'd do it. Idk if the Mavs would though.

Sure, there's a reason I'm mentioning it here rather than the T&T forum, but strange things are going on in Dallas and technically with Doncic gone it could be argued they need LeVert more than PJ.

[mcfly1204]

Random thought assuming Dallas is looking for someone who can create some offense:

LeVert for PJ Washington

It even saves us some cap space, and Washington's contract is descending.

Dallas can stack their roster with 30+ year old players.

I'd do it.

Kidd said AD is going to play the 4. I assume Gafford plays 5 until Lively gets back. Kyrie at 1, Klay at 2.

PJ could try to play 3 but just seems like a logjam of non shooters in the front court. Or i guess he could come off the bench.

But yeah, I'd do it. Idk if the Mavs would though.

Sure, there's a reason I'm mentioning it here rather than the T&T forum, but strange things are going on in Dallas and technically with Doncic gone it could be argued they need LeVert more than PJ.

I'd even kick in a coveted unprotected 2nd or two.

[jbk1234]

They at least have to duck the tax. You can't be this close and start the repeater tax a year early. Everyone knows who I want traded.

I just wonder what it would cost to dump Niang.

I also wonder if Donovan likes having him around or if that's all overstated.

It's not just about keeping Mitchell happy, Kenny raves about him. Georges isn't going anywhere just to get under the tax.

And like I've said before, I'd love to hear someone like Koby explain the ramifications of the repeater tax because if the money doesn't matter I'm not sure we're going to have much of any roster flexibility moving forward and if that's the case we might as well hold on to every useful piece we can until hard capped.

Kenny loving Niang is all the more reason for Altman to pull a Billy Bean and trade him.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://kingjamesgospel.com/cavaliers-could-steal-perfect-veteran-wing-after-latest-blockbuster-bulls-trade

I'd be down for Torrey Craig. I think he would be gone, since if we duck the tax on Thursday, we won't be able turn around and sign a guy to a pro rated vet min, we'll have to wait a bit.

[toooskies]

https://kingjamesgospel.com/cavaliers-could-steal-perfect-veteran-wing-after-latest-blockbuster-bulls-trade

I'd be down for Torrey Craig. I think he would be gone, since if we duck the tax on Thursday, we won't be able turn around and sign a guy to a pro rated vet min, we'll have to wait a bit.

Craig is 34 years old and has never had a positive on/off, and has been strongly negative recently.

I think we'd be better off playing small than putting him out there.