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Re: Game 49: Phoenix Suns (25-23) @ Portland Trail Blazers (20-29) | Feb 3 | 8:00 PM 

Post#61 » by sunsbg » Tue Feb 4, 2025 8:48 am

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Saberestar wrote:It was sad because Book went #1 in the history of the Suns in points but we couldn't get the W in a winnable game.

The Blazerers are for real. They reminds me of the Rockets from last year, they have Advija and Henderson with All Star potential and physical players like Grant and Camara. Ayton playing his best basketball on the season didn’t help us neither.

We need frontcourt help. Richards looks a very good backup C, but probably he isn't more than that.

Disappointing game from KD. He had some open 3s that he usually made but this wasn't his game at all.

Well...it's gonna be a crazy trade deadline.

I hardly check game day threads but wow you finally stopped your “positive” gimmick after every game? You used to make posts about how “even though we lost, ___ and ____ looked great and we’re still looking good for rest of the season” type posts.

Damn that’s crazy. The Suns managed to break even the most glass half-full person of the entire forum.


I'm not sure how to interpret his last line - we are getting Butler and winning a championship or Saber is finally admitting FO may need to blow it up. :lol:
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Re: Game 49: Phoenix Suns (25-23) @ Portland Trail Blazers (20-29) | Feb 3 | 8:00 PM 

Post#62 » by Revived » Tue Feb 4, 2025 8:49 am

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After Paul aged the team was not a contender anymore, but they would've been a lot more fun to watch and with a lot better future. The latter is over if they spend the picks on Butler and don't start rebuilding. The value of our so called Big 3 gets lower with every shameful loss.


We could have either waived CP3, traded him for someone not named Beal or just ate the last remaining year of his guaranteed deal but Ishbia got impatient and was looking at the stat sheet and now regrets trading for Beal and is not finding any takers for Beal's bloated contract.

But this was all unknowable, garrick! :nonono:

But remember everyone who hated all these trades at the time were just “pessimists” and haters!! Remember that? Even despite many of us saying how these moves to just get big names are dumb as hell.

I remember when earlier THIS season people were complaining about the pessimism is annoying and that the team isn’t that bad. People were even saying that because of the pessimists, they feel less like posting. Well I see now that every GD thread is hardly few pages long so where did all those pessimist-haters go? Oh that’s right because the team sucks, they don’t even care anymore to post at all. I don’t blame them because I’m doing the same thing but I hate stupid sht like trying to manipulate that into blaming other fans and posters here for being the reason.

I’ve honestly been 95% right about every single Suns move for at least the last 14-15 years. Every single one. Im not even doing it to brag, it sucks ass that a fan like me who has zero experience in front office management can predict how Suns moves will end up better than the people being paid way more than me can do it.

And I don’t think I’m alone. At least 50% of the regular posters here can probably say the same thing.
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Re: Game 49: Phoenix Suns (25-23) @ Portland Trail Blazers (20-29) | Feb 3 | 8:00 PM 

Post#63 » by Revived » Tue Feb 4, 2025 8:51 am

Trade Durant. And trade Booker too. Ask Beal if he wants to be on a team that’s gonna be worse than the Wizards. Even Luka fcking Doncic can be traded then Booker can too. Booker isn’t even a fifth of the player that Luka is and doesn’t have anywhere near the accomplishments either. Get our picks back. Start the rebuild.
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Re: Game 49: Phoenix Suns (25-23) @ Portland Trail Blazers (20-29) | Feb 3 | 8:00 PM 

Post#64 » by Revived » Tue Feb 4, 2025 8:52 am

Who remembers when Ishbia said that 26 other teams wishes they were in the Suns position?

What an absolute fcking clown that guy is. An idiot like him becoming a billionaire shows you that smartness and IQ has nothing to do with being rich.

I honestly can’t think of a worse team in the entire NBA in terms of present/future aspirations than this dog s*** team.
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Re: Game 49: Phoenix Suns (25-23) @ Portland Trail Blazers (20-29) | Feb 3 | 8:00 PM 

Post#65 » by sunsbg » Tue Feb 4, 2025 8:53 am

After these two games if Butler has not put Suns next to Grizzlies on his list, it's clear he's all about the money.
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Re: Game 49: Phoenix Suns (25-23) @ Portland Trail Blazers (20-29) | Feb 3 | 8:00 PM 

Post#66 » by Saberestar » Tue Feb 4, 2025 9:18 am

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Saberestar wrote:It was sad because Book went #1 in the history of the Suns in points but we couldn't get the W in a winnable game.

The Blazerers are for real. They reminds me of the Rockets from last year, they have Advija and Henderson with All Star potential and physical players like Grant and Camara. Ayton playing his best basketball on the season didn’t help us neither.

We need frontcourt help. Richards looks a very good backup C, but probably he isn't more than that.

Disappointing game from KD. He had some open 3s that he usually made but this wasn't his game at all.

Well...it's gonna be a crazy trade deadline.

I hardly check game day threads but wow you finally stopped your “positive” gimmick after every game? You used to make posts about how “even though we lost, ___ and ____ looked great and we’re still looking good for rest of the season” type posts.

Damn that’s crazy. The Suns managed to break even the most glass half-full person of the entire forum.

Yeah, this was a TOUGH loss after an overtime and my heart was struggling, it was heartbreaking even for me. :lol:

I think we need to make changes, but that was already known at this point. A player who can help us on defense for real.
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Re: Game 49: Phoenix Suns (25-23) @ Portland Trail Blazers (20-29) | Feb 3 | 8:00 PM 

Post#67 » by Saberestar » Tue Feb 4, 2025 9:19 am

sunsbg wrote:
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Saberestar wrote:It was sad because Book went #1 in the history of the Suns in points but we couldn't get the W in a winnable game.

The Blazerers are for real. They reminds me of the Rockets from last year, they have Advija and Henderson with All Star potential and physical players like Grant and Camara. Ayton playing his best basketball on the season didn’t help us neither.

We need frontcourt help. Richards looks a very good backup C, but probably he isn't more than that.

Disappointing game from KD. He had some open 3s that he usually made but this wasn't his game at all.

Well...it's gonna be a crazy trade deadline.

I hardly check game day threads but wow you finally stopped your “positive” gimmick after every game? You used to make posts about how “even though we lost, ___ and ____ looked great and we’re still looking good for rest of the season” type posts.

Damn that’s crazy. The Suns managed to break even the most glass half-full person of the entire forum.


I'm not sure how to interpret his last line - we are getting Butler and winning a championship or Saber is finally admitting FO may need to blow it up. :lol:

I want Book and KD on the Suns and build around them yet, we are 23W-11L with both on the court.

23-11 is a great (.677) winning percentage.
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Re: Game 49: Phoenix Suns (25-23) @ Portland Trail Blazers (20-29) | Feb 3 | 8:00 PM 

Post#68 » by BobbieL » Tue Feb 4, 2025 12:11 pm

Revived wrote:Trade Durant. And trade Booker too. Ask Beal if he wants to be on a team that’s gonna be worse than the Wizards. Even Luka fcking Doncic can be traded then Booker can too. Booker isn’t even a fifth of the player that Luka is and doesn’t have anywhere near the accomplishments either. Get our picks back. Start the rebuild.

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Re: Game 49: Phoenix Suns (25-23) @ Portland Trail Blazers (20-29) | Feb 3 | 8:00 PM 

Post#69 » by KdoubleDees23 » Tue Feb 4, 2025 1:01 pm

Ayton just dominated with 9 offensive boards !!!!!!! I would take lazy Ayton over any Center we have had !
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Post#70 » by King4Day » Tue Feb 4, 2025 1:37 pm

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I imagine some of these players would be routed elsewhere. If we did a deal like this, give me Kuminga and Looney. Maybe Payton. Then ship Wiggins elsewhere to get under the apron.

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Post#71 » by BobbieL » Tue Feb 4, 2025 1:55 pm

sunsbg wrote:After these two games if Butler has not put Suns next to Grizzlies on his list, it's clear he's all about the money.


This has always been the case even before these two games.

I think he fits well on the Grizz
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Re: Game 49: Phoenix Suns (25-23) @ Portland Trail Blazers (20-29) | Feb 3 | 8:00 PM 

Post#72 » by BobbieL » Tue Feb 4, 2025 1:57 pm

King4Day wrote:
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I imagine some of these players would be routed elsewhere. If we did a deal like this, give me Kuminga and Looney. Maybe Payton. Then ship Wiggins elsewhere to get under the apron.

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Might not be traction last night but after the blazers loss and the fact Shroeder can be traded tomorrow - my guess the lines are open
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Post#73 » by King4Day » Tue Feb 4, 2025 2:21 pm

Something not really discussed is, if we do trade KD and can get under the apron, it would give us a chance to retain Jones. He may not be great, but at the least, he could be a good piece to trade in the future. He's certainly not doing anything to boost his value beyond a 10-14mil a year player
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Post#74 » by King4Day » Tue Feb 4, 2025 2:49 pm

Ugg, sorry for the above. Thought I was in the trade chat :)
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Post#75 » by RaisingArizona » Tue Feb 4, 2025 3:34 pm

Great rebounding Plumlee. Great trade JJ. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
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Re: Game 49: Phoenix Suns (25-23) @ Portland Trail Blazers (20-29) | Feb 3 | 8:00 PM 

Post#76 » by bwgood77 » Tue Feb 4, 2025 5:28 pm

While it's pretty ridiculous and sucks that we lost, that was a very entertaining game. Pretty crazy. It was awesome seeing Book get the scoring record. Too bad he missed that last FT. And crazy that Ayton was sinking so many in a row. Haven't seen that Ayton in a while. i haven't watched Portland recently until Saturday, but they are playing much looser, faster, and instinctive. Ayton kind of looked like he did before he started playing more and more with Paul and was overthinking everything and had paralysis by analysis. He seems more to just be playing, making quick decisions. Of course his screening still sucks and he has his lapses I'm sure...

and he was probably more motivated against us. Crazy watching him last night trading him for Nurkic and Allen and people felt Nurkic was a big improvement and then we trade for Richards who people view as a big improvement over Ayton. I thought Ayton looked better than Richards last night.

When I watched Portland last season a bit it appeared Scoot wanted to find him all the time, but Scoot would get injured or not play well, and most of the rest of the team just seemed to want their shots. He was much much more involved last night and probably lately which probably gives him more confidence too. Of course he may disappear again, but interesting to see.

I can't believe there was that rumor from an insider that we might get Deni for peanuts. I didn't realize he was so good. The Blazers are actually fairly entertaining, surprisingly. Like they looked like a more exciting team to watch than us these last two games for sure.
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Re: Game 49: Phoenix Suns (25-23) @ Portland Trail Blazers (20-29) | Feb 3 | 8:00 PM 

Post#77 » by garrick » Wed Feb 5, 2025 2:25 am

bwgood77 wrote:While it's pretty ridiculous and sucks that we lost, that was a very entertaining game. Pretty crazy. It was awesome seeing Book get the scoring record. Too bad he missed that last FT. And crazy that Ayton was sinking so many in a row. Haven't seen that Ayton in a while. i haven't watched Portland recently until Saturday, but they are playing much looser, faster, and instinctive. Ayton kind of looked like he did before he started playing more and more with Paul and was overthinking everything and had paralysis by analysis. He seems more to just be playing, making quick decisions. Of course his screening still sucks and he has his lapses I'm sure...

and he was probably more motivated against us. Crazy watching him last night trading him for Nurkic and Allen and people felt Nurkic was a big improvement and then we trade for Richards who people view as a big improvement over Nurkic. I thought Ayton looked better than Richards last night.

When I watched Portland last season a bit it appeared Scoot wanted to find him all the time, but Scoot would get injured or not play well, and most of the rest of the team just seemed to want their shots. He was much much more involved last night and probably lately which probably gives him more confidence too. Of course he may disappear again, but interesting to see.

I can't believe there was that rumor from an insider that we might get Deni for peanuts. I didn't realize he was so good. The Blazers are actually fairly entertaining, surprisingly. Like they looked like a more exciting team to watch than us these last two games for sure.


Ayton looked really good 2nd half of last season after injuries to Grant and Brogdon and he was money from the mid range so he might be once again hitting his stride which is good.

I really think that we could have made Ayton work in our system if Book and KD made more of an effort to be actual leaders in the locker room instead of just chilling and passive aggressively bitching about certain players on the team but Ishiba was in such a hurry to win now and play GM so we really made a bad trade in hindsight.
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Post#78 » by bwgood77 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 6:23 am

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bwgood77 wrote:While it's pretty ridiculous and sucks that we lost, that was a very entertaining game. Pretty crazy. It was awesome seeing Book get the scoring record. Too bad he missed that last FT. And crazy that Ayton was sinking so many in a row. Haven't seen that Ayton in a while. i haven't watched Portland recently until Saturday, but they are playing much looser, faster, and instinctive. Ayton kind of looked like he did before he started playing more and more with Paul and was overthinking everything and had paralysis by analysis. He seems more to just be playing, making quick decisions. Of course his screening still sucks and he has his lapses I'm sure...

and he was probably more motivated against us. Crazy watching him last night trading him for Nurkic and Allen and people felt Nurkic was a big improvement and then we trade for Richards who people view as a big improvement over Nurkic. I thought Ayton looked better than Richards last night.

When I watched Portland last season a bit it appeared Scoot wanted to find him all the time, but Scoot would get injured or not play well, and most of the rest of the team just seemed to want their shots. He was much much more involved last night and probably lately which probably gives him more confidence too. Of course he may disappear again, but interesting to see.

I can't believe there was that rumor from an insider that we might get Deni for peanuts. I didn't realize he was so good. The Blazers are actually fairly entertaining, surprisingly. Like they looked like a more exciting team to watch than us these last two games for sure.


Ayton looked really good 2nd half of last season after injuries to Grant and Brogdon and he was money from the mid range so he might be once again hitting his stride which is good.

I really think that we could have made Ayton work in our system if Book and KD made more of an effort to be actual leaders in the locker room instead of just chilling and passive aggressively bitching about certain players on the team but Ishiba was in such a hurry to win now and play GM so we really made a bad trade in hindsight.


Yeah, that blaming and passive aggressiveness really hurts a team..and the player. But the fans sour on someone if things are not going well, and they are not a favorite. But he had his faults and could be infuriating.

But had we hired say, Udoka, and had him coach Ayton, and have us run more, and had we not done the KD trade i bet we'd be looking pretty good right now with Book, Mikal, Cam, Ayton and whoever else...probably would have some athleticism and a Paul replacement. Oh well.
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Post#79 » by thamadkant » Wed Feb 5, 2025 8:08 am

bwgood77 wrote:
garrick wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:While it's pretty ridiculous and sucks that we lost, that was a very entertaining game. Pretty crazy. It was awesome seeing Book get the scoring record. Too bad he missed that last FT. And crazy that Ayton was sinking so many in a row. Haven't seen that Ayton in a while. i haven't watched Portland recently until Saturday, but they are playing much looser, faster, and instinctive. Ayton kind of looked like he did before he started playing more and more with Paul and was overthinking everything and had paralysis by analysis. He seems more to just be playing, making quick decisions. Of course his screening still sucks and he has his lapses I'm sure...

and he was probably more motivated against us. Crazy watching him last night trading him for Nurkic and Allen and people felt Nurkic was a big improvement and then we trade for Richards who people view as a big improvement over Nurkic. I thought Ayton looked better than Richards last night.

When I watched Portland last season a bit it appeared Scoot wanted to find him all the time, but Scoot would get injured or not play well, and most of the rest of the team just seemed to want their shots. He was much much more involved last night and probably lately which probably gives him more confidence too. Of course he may disappear again, but interesting to see.

I can't believe there was that rumor from an insider that we might get Deni for peanuts. I didn't realize he was so good. The Blazers are actually fairly entertaining, surprisingly. Like they looked like a more exciting team to watch than us these last two games for sure.


Ayton looked really good 2nd half of last season after injuries to Grant and Brogdon and he was money from the mid range so he might be once again hitting his stride which is good.

I really think that we could have made Ayton work in our system if Book and KD made more of an effort to be actual leaders in the locker room instead of just chilling and passive aggressively bitching about certain players on the team but Ishiba was in such a hurry to win now and play GM so we really made a bad trade in hindsight.


Yeah, that blaming and passive aggressiveness really hurts a team..and the player. But the fans sour on someone if things are not going well, and they are not a favorite. But he had his faults and could be infuriating.

But had we hired say, Udoka, and had him coach Ayton, and have us run more, and had we not done the KD trade i bet we'd be looking pretty good right now with Book, Mikal, Cam, Ayton and whoever else...probably would have some athleticism and a Paul replacement. Oh well.



KD has always been known as a Superstar player that is a poor leader. Westbrook was or is, a better leader than him and Harden has proven that he is also a better leader.

Booker is no better. He is a bad leader and shouldn't be the one making the speeches behind the scenes or on the court.
Booker's lack of passion after losses also show he lacks that sympathy and empathy and says things that a leader wouldn't do. Losing the finals in 21 and series in 22 and brushing it off as just "a game" is tone deaf. CP3 and Crowder was the true leaders back then and it showed on the court.

KD and Booker being the voices leading the team has proven they are bad leaders. The coach has little power when these two have big input in plays and movements since the GM and owner seems to be appeasing them.

Ayton was awesome during that 2021 finals run.. he was very good the next season. Fans started hating on him soon after those losses and claim he lacks motivation, but yet ignore the hundreds of game posts pointing out how he was ignored so many times during games. KD and Booker's poor leadership and motivation tactics affected Ayton and that's that.
But that's water under the bridge, he is now gelling with his new team and Blazers have a much better short and long term future.
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Post#80 » by Frank Lee » Wed Feb 5, 2025 1:23 pm

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