Dallas Mavericks 2024 Trade thread -- Roster and Cap post 24 FA

[Bob8]

Nico said owner has laughed at him, when he brought the idea of trading Luka. Meaning that was Nico's idea from the beginning. Owner of course had to went with it in the end, but plan of trading Luka was Nico's.

Nico has personal beef with Luka. This is pretty clear by now.

If you cost a person $100M, it's pretty personal.

The owner gets the last say, it's not Nico's decision. This points to the owner wanting to say as much as money as possible and not having any big contracts pass AD's last year which is 27-28. Even Nico spoke about a time line for Kyrie and AD. They'll offer Kyrie a 3 year deal that aligns with AD's unless he opts out or they force him out. I say somewhere in the 50s...

Man, giving Luka max. is not the end of the world. You can trade him even with one leg.

[joesha1698]

Nico said owner has laughed at him, when he brought the idea of trading Luka. Meaning that was Nico's idea from the beginning. Owner of course had to went with it in the end, but plan of trading Luka was Nico's.

I think Nico's selling. I really do. He's going out of his way to put all of this on his shoulders. Like the owner laughed at me is an oversale. What owner laughs about trading the #1 asset in his business? A.Davis last year on his deal with Dallas is 27-28. If Luka were to have re-signed his contract would have been pushed out further and I think thats what they were trying to avoid and the luxury tax possibly. I think no one on this team gets a contract pass 27-28. I'll leave it there with the speculation.

He said Pelinka laughed too. Why would he say that, if it wasn't true? It's embarrassing making a trade that everyone laughed at, but he willingly admitted, because he believed he's the smartest person in the room. He believed that honest answers will bring him sympathy. But it backfired even more. He's arrogant idiot. End of story.

LOL, we'll see what the future holds.

[arkuo]

I think Nico's selling. I really do. He's going out of his way to put all of this on his shoulders. Like the owner laughed at me is an oversale. What owner laughs about trading the #1 asset in his business? A.Davis last year on his deal with Dallas is 27-28. If Luka were to have re-signed his contract would have been pushed out further and I think thats what they were trying to avoid and the luxury tax possibly. I think no one on this team gets a contract pass 27-28. I'll leave it there with the speculation.

Let's say this is the case, do you think Cuban will do a buyback? It would be more expensive than his selling price though.

Jason Whitlock (i know of all people) is predicting that Cuban comes back once they get gambling passed in Texas. Cuban already has a % of ownership. I'm not sure if he wants to be involved in the day-to-day stuff anymore. Anything is possible, hard to say. If I had to guess right now - I would say Cuban is satisfied with the minority ownership and what he got out of the deal. I think Cuban kind of knew what was going down and didn't want to be the bad guy. When Cuban was asked what he thought about the trade he said, MFFL. (Maverick fan for life). I think Cuban understand exactly whats going on and got out right in time. I watched the interview with Shannon Sharpe when Cuban told him the NBA is a real-estate business now...you have to pair these sport teams with other infrastructure (casinos, etc) going forward to justify ownership.

There is a lot at stake for Cuban. If there was $1B on the line, I'd shut my mouth too. Just being real.

[joesha1698]

Nico has personal beef with Luka. This is pretty clear by now.

If you cost a person $100M, it's pretty personal.

The owner gets the last say, it's not Nico's decision. This points to the owner wanting to say as much as money as possible and not having any big contracts pass AD's last year which is 27-28. Even Nico spoke about a time line for Kyrie and AD. They'll offer Kyrie a 3 year deal that aligns with AD's unless he opts out or they force him out. I say somewhere in the 50s...

Man, giving Luka max. is not the end of the world. You can trade him even with one leg.

Yeah but that's the thing. If the devalue theory is correct, the better Luka does (let's say he wins a ring) the harder it becomes to devalue the franchise or justify spending more money on the team. And it hurts that time-line that Nico was talking about. Why is a timeline with Kyrie and AD so important now? I think there's something there. Luka's 5 year deal pushes them pass that 27-28 timeline that AD last year is on. I think they figured get rid of him now (bring in AD and the team is still competitive) and it lessen the blow. Jason Whitlock is speculating that they could have traded Luka (because TX officials are giving them trouble abt legalizing gambling) so this could be a 2-part strategy. Help out the Lakers (stay competitive with AD) and if they dont pass gambling in texas by 2028, start to tank, so much so, the NBA approves them to move to Las Vegas where gambling is legal....and the NBA remembers the assist they gave to the league by sending Luka to LA.

[Mavrelous]

The NBA is not what it was 20 years ago, you need to be wealthier than Cuban to be able to carry a franchise financially, fkr Cuban to come back he needs to pull another heist a la broadcast.com.

[Bob8]

The owner gets the last say, it's not Nico's decision. This points to the owner wanting to say as much as money as possible and not having any big contracts pass AD's last year which is 27-28. Even Nico spoke about a time line for Kyrie and AD. They'll offer Kyrie a 3 year deal that aligns with AD's unless he opts out or they force him out. I say somewhere in the 50s...

Man, giving Luka max. is not the end of the world. You can trade him even with one leg.

Yeah but that's the thing. If the devalue theory is correct, the better Luka does (let's say he wins a ring) the harder it becomes to devalue the franchise or justify spending more money on the team. And it hurts that time-line that Nico was talking about. Why is a timeline with Kyrie and AD so important now? I think there's something there. Luka's 5 year deal pushes them pass that 27-28 timeline that AD last year is on. I think they figured get rid of him now (bring in AD and the team is still competitive) and it lessen the blow. Jason Whitlock is speculating that they could have traded Luka (because TX officials are giving them trouble abt legalizing gambling) so this could be a 2-part strategy. Help out the Lakers (stay competitive with AD) and if they dont pass gambling in texas by 2028, start to tank, so much so, the NBA approves them to move to Las Vegas where gambling is legal....and the NBA remembers the assist they gave to the league by sending Luka to LA.

I guarantee you that Occam's razor is the best answer.

[wco81]

I don't get that money was why they traded him.

Adelson is worth tens of billions. She made tens of millions if not hundreds of millions in political donations every election cycle.

I don't know how much money Dumont has but if he's partner with Adelson, he can't be poor either.

I'd heard about them wanting to build casinos in TX. Pissing off the fan base doesn't seem like a great way to do it, especially if the issue is put up for a vote.

Are they talking about a new arena?

In any event, Dallas sports fans spend plenty on the Cowboys and the Mavs and the Stars and the Rangers. So they can maximize profits by having Mavs fans lose money at their casinos?

As for Cuban's motivations, he's not young and he's got plenty of money already. Unless he really cares about leaving the most money possible for his kids and grandkids, an extra billion or two won't change his life at all.

[arkuo]

Man, giving Luka max. is not the end of the world. You can trade him even with one leg.

Yeah but that's the thing. If the devalue theory is correct, the better Luka does (let's say he wins a ring) the harder it becomes to devalue the franchise or justify spending more money on the team. And it hurts that time-line that Nico was talking about. Why is a timeline with Kyrie and AD so important now? I think there's something there. Luka's 5 year deal pushes them pass that 27-28 timeline that AD last year is on. I think they figured get rid of him now (bring in AD and the team is still competitive) and it lessen the blow. Jason Whitlock is speculating that they could have traded Luka (because TX officials are giving them trouble abt legalizing gambling) so this could be a 2-part strategy. Help out the Lakers (stay competitive with AD) and if they dont pass gambling in texas by 2028, start to tank, so much so, the NBA approves them to move to Las Vegas where gambling is legal....and the NBA remembers the assist they gave to the league by sending Luka to LA.

I guarantee you that Occam's razor is the best answer.

I beg to disagree but it's a free country.

[MassimoPayne]

Why is Nico so comfortable saying that multiple people laughed at him for the trade offer?
And he even smiled saying that. What kind of psychopathic bulls**t is going on with him?

[Maverick41]

What do you guys think of Coby White as a secondary perimeter playmaker?

DAL receives: White + Jalen Smith
CHI receives: Gaff + Grimes + Exum

DAL gets a good perimeter playmaker who is big enough to play with Kyrie in White. Smith is a downgrade from Gaff but he adds versatility with his shooting. Both players are on good contracts too.

CHI gets their starter center for the next handful of years. Grimes is a solid young 3&D guy that I hate to give up but he's replaceable by Christie. Grimes fits well with CHI and can also be their SG for the next handful of years in their rebuild.

[Mavrelous]

What do you guys think of Coby White as a secondary perimeter playmaker?

DAL receives: White + Jalen Smith
CHI receives: Gaff + Grimes + Exum

DAL gets a good perimeter playmaker who is big enough to play with Kyrie in White. Smith is a downgrade from Gaff but he adds versatility with his shooting. Both players are on good contracts too.

CHI gets their starter center for the next handful of years. Grimes is a solid young 3&D guy that I hate to give up but he's replaceable by Christie. Grimes fits well with CHI and can also be their SG for the next handful of years in their rebuild.

Would be ana amazing fit, but CHI traded away Gafford for 2nd rounder, and are in tear down mode, maybe route him to a 3rd team for assets?

[arkuo]

In terms of trades, I'm really hoping Nico built his ass some equity with Klutch Sports. I can see Ingram moving out of NOLA and leaving them with nothing. He didnt sign an extension with NOLA. Ingram and his halfcourt playmaking ability would be the saving grace right now. and if Nico is as tight with Rich Paul then they better get the job done.

Something in the lines of Ingram (re-signed) + Herb Jones for Klay + PJ + Gafford + 3 first round picks that they have.

[Maverick41]

What do you guys think of Coby White as a secondary perimeter playmaker?

DAL receives: White + Jalen Smith
CHI receives: Gaff + Grimes + Exum

DAL gets a good perimeter playmaker who is big enough to play with Kyrie in White. Smith is a downgrade from Gaff but he adds versatility with his shooting. Both players are on good contracts too.

CHI gets their starter center for the next handful of years. Grimes is a solid young 3&D guy that I hate to give up but he's replaceable by Christie. Grimes fits well with CHI and can also be their SG for the next handful of years in their rebuild.

Would be ana amazing fit, but CHI traded away Gafford for 2nd rounder, and are in tear down mode, maybe route him to a 3rd team for assets?

Could easily add Lakers as the 3rd team now that I think of it. Lakers trade Vincent + filler + FRP for Gaff.

Lakers would start looking like the Mavs

[Mavrelous]

What do you guys think of Coby White as a secondary perimeter playmaker?

DAL receives: White + Jalen Smith
CHI receives: Gaff + Grimes + Exum

DAL gets a good perimeter playmaker who is big enough to play with Kyrie in White. Smith is a downgrade from Gaff but he adds versatility with his shooting. Both players are on good contracts too.

CHI gets their starter center for the next handful of years. Grimes is a solid young 3&D guy that I hate to give up but he's replaceable by Christie. Grimes fits well with CHI and can also be their SG for the next handful of years in their rebuild.

Would be ana amazing fit, but CHI traded away Gafford for 2nd rounder, and are in tear down mode, maybe route him to a 3rd team for assets?

Could easily add Lakers as the 3rd team now that I think of it. Lakers trade Vincent + filler + FRP for Gaff.

Lakers would start looking like the Mavs

Funnily enough, Gafford/Grimes for Reaves/Hayes makes perfect sense, but was somehow left out of the deal...
Reaves is a very good backup PG, and he'll play with 4 elite defenders next to him, Hayes can fill some minutes until Lively is back.

[joesha1698]

Man, giving Luka max. is not the end of the world. You can trade him even with one leg.

Yeah but that's the thing. If the devalue theory is correct, the better Luka does (let's say he wins a ring) the harder it becomes to devalue the franchise or justify spending more money on the team. And it hurts that time-line that Nico was talking about. Why is a timeline with Kyrie and AD so important now? I think there's something there. Luka's 5 year deal pushes them pass that 27-28 timeline that AD last year is on. I think they figured get rid of him now (bring in AD and the team is still competitive) and it lessen the blow. Jason Whitlock is speculating that they could have traded Luka (because TX officials are giving them trouble abt legalizing gambling) so this could be a 2-part strategy. Help out the Lakers (stay competitive with AD) and if they dont pass gambling in texas by 2028, start to tank, so much so, the NBA approves them to move to Las Vegas where gambling is legal....and the NBA remembers the assist they gave to the league by sending Luka to LA.

I guarantee you that Occam's razor is the best answer.

If Nico really has that kind of power and traded Luka away that's even funnier. If this is true my respect went up for him 2 fold. Brudda a certified villain with balls of steel.

[joesha1698]

I think Nico's next move should be simple...how can i bring someone in who provides some of the things that Luka did well? Scoring and playmaking. It's that simple. I like CJ Mccollum but he may be too expensive at 33 million a year w/o getting rid of Klay. I would be fine with someone in that mold. I know we have Kyrie but adding 1 additional ball handler (even at 6th man that can score and create) would be icing on the cake.

[Bob8]

Yeah but that's the thing. If the devalue theory is correct, the better Luka does (let's say he wins a ring) the harder it becomes to devalue the franchise or justify spending more money on the team. And it hurts that time-line that Nico was talking about. Why is a timeline with Kyrie and AD so important now? I think there's something there. Luka's 5 year deal pushes them pass that 27-28 timeline that AD last year is on. I think they figured get rid of him now (bring in AD and the team is still competitive) and it lessen the blow. Jason Whitlock is speculating that they could have traded Luka (because TX officials are giving them trouble abt legalizing gambling) so this could be a 2-part strategy. Help out the Lakers (stay competitive with AD) and if they dont pass gambling in texas by 2028, start to tank, so much so, the NBA approves them to move to Las Vegas where gambling is legal....and the NBA remembers the assist they gave to the league by sending Luka to LA.

I guarantee you that Occam's razor is the best answer.

If Nico really has that kind of power and traded Luka away that's even funnier. If this is true my respect went up for him 2 fold. Brudda a certified villain with balls of steel.

Just an idiot, he has read everything wrong and didn't expect what reaction will he receive. He buried himself with 1 idiotic move.

[Bob8]

Would be ana amazing fit, but CHI traded away Gafford for 2nd rounder, and are in tear down mode, maybe route him to a 3rd team for assets?

Could easily add Lakers as the 3rd team now that I think of it. Lakers trade Vincent + filler + FRP for Gaff.

Lakers would start looking like the Mavs

Funnily enough, Gafford/Grimes for Reaves/Hayes makes perfect sense, but was somehow left out of the deal...
Reaves is a very good backup PG, and he'll play with 4 elite defenders next to him, Hayes can fill some minutes until Lively is back.

Nico should have gotten Reaves and 31 first pick in this deal easily.

[Mavrelous]

Could easily add Lakers as the 3rd team now that I think of it. Lakers trade Vincent + filler + FRP for Gaff.

Lakers would start looking like the Mavs

Funnily enough, Gafford/Grimes for Reaves/Hayes makes perfect sense, but was somehow left out of the deal...
Reaves is a very good backup PG, and he'll play with 4 elite defenders next to him, Hayes can fill some minutes until Lively is back.

Nico should have gotten Reaves and 31 first pick in this deal easily.

He shouldn't have made the deal at all, but TBH, for Luka's sake, I'm happy he kept some assets in LA, because the roster as is there isn't very good.

[Bob8]

Funnily enough, Gafford/Grimes for Reaves/Hayes makes perfect sense, but was somehow left out of the deal...
Reaves is a very good backup PG, and he'll play with 4 elite defenders next to him, Hayes can fill some minutes until Lively is back.

Nico should have gotten Reaves and 31 first pick in this deal easily.

He shouldn't have made the deal at all, but TBH, for Luka's sake, I'm happy he kept some assets in LA, because the roster as is there isn't very good.

That's true. But Lakers are still 3.5 games in front of Mavs, what should tell people how bad Mavs are without Luka and how difficult will that team win anything by just adding AD. I believe Nico should go all in now, trade everything he has for a creator.