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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#381 » by Baz » Tue Feb 4, 2025 10:42 am

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I wouldn't call it a fumble if the man who orchestrated it did it on purpose. This was pre-planned. Anytime you cause a grown man to lose out on $116M, it's personal.

What and how it became personal is the question.


I too believe it was planned maliciously, maybe I picked the wrong word. My gut has said from the beginning that it was an intentional move towards Vegas and Nico is the puppet. But the details we've got so far combined with some little clues over the years and his disaster press conference raise the probability that Nico did this himself & has complete power with owners who don't know **** about ball and just followed his lead. Either way he's a chump and I wish him all the worst for destroying the Mavericks.


Nico strikes me as a narcissist with a big ego. So he's type to try all these big moves so he can be remembered by it as the only one who did it. But God damn. If it doesn't work, your name is going down the toilet. His name and his grandchildren's name, that is. They'll carry that cross for a long time if it doesnt work out.


There's going to be a packed out AAC chanting Fire Nico on Saturday. I don't think the fans will refuse to go to the games I think they want to be heard. The arena is gonna be wild. This is unprecedented in the NBA. If he can survive the storm of the fans he might see out the season. He won't resign in disgrace if he's a narcissist he'll have to be pushed out so we'll see if the owners have the spine to do it or if they just couldn't give a shred of ****. Guessing the latter. Either way he's going to be further embarrassed in the coming weeks and he deserves all of it.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#382 » by arkuo » Tue Feb 4, 2025 10:48 am

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I too believe it was planned maliciously, maybe I picked the wrong word. My gut has said from the beginning that it was an intentional move towards Vegas and Nico is the puppet. But the details we've got so far combined with some little clues over the years and his disaster press conference raise the probability that Nico did this himself & has complete power with owners who don't know **** about ball and just followed his lead. Either way he's a chump and I wish him all the worst for destroying the Mavericks.


Nico strikes me as a narcissist with a big ego. So he's type to try all these big moves so he can be remembered by it as the only one who did it. But God damn. If it doesn't work, your name is going down the toilet. His name and his grandchildren's name, that is. They'll carry that cross for a long time if it doesnt work out.


There's going to be a packed out AAC chanting Fire Nico on Saturday. I don't think the fans will refuse to go to the games I think they want to be heard. The arena is gonna be wild. This is unprecedented in the NBA. If he can survive the storm of the fans he might see out the season. He won't resign in disgrace if he's a narcissist he'll have to be pushed out so we'll see if the owners have the spine to do it or if they just couldn't give a shred of ****. Guessing the latter. Either way he's going to be further embarrassed in the coming weeks and he deserves all of it.


Dwayne Wade had a piece on this. It does feel like collusion with the league office. You see people repping Lakers gear as far as China in Asia. It's a global brand. Nike is one company who will actually make it big here. Coincidentally a former CEO of theirs (who still probably own Nike stock) pulled the trigger on this. Nico if he still owns a considerable amount of Nike stock just made a lot of $$$ overnight.

As Nike CEO, Nico is allowed to purchase and own Nike equity is it not?
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#383 » by Bob8 » Tue Feb 4, 2025 10:49 am

arkuo wrote:Nico and the new owners treated this like a business acquisition.

You flip things with value and in their minds they get to achieve their goal at the shortest possible amount of time.

But doing that, you look past the team culture and how the ripple effect would be for fans. I think that is where much of the clamor is right now. The manner of how it was executed was cold AF.


Execution was problematic, but the biggest problem was getting injury prone 32 years old player back. 6 years is eternity in Nba. Nico basically has thrown Mavs future away, and he didn't get even better player for the present. Luka is better player and maybe even more importantly team is constructed for him. All those 3&D players don't need rim protection, they need creation. AD would have been fantastic addition, if Luka stayed and Kyrie was shipped out. Nico did total **** on every level possible.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#384 » by Dirk2Doncic » Tue Feb 4, 2025 11:20 am

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arkuo wrote:Nico and the new owners treated this like a business acquisition.

You flip things with value and in their minds they get to achieve their goal at the shortest possible amount of time.

But doing that, you look past the team culture and how the ripple effect would be for fans. I think that is where much of the clamor is right now. The manner of how it was executed was cold AF.


Execution was problematic, but the biggest problem was getting injury prone 32 years old player back. 6 years is eternity in Nba. Nico basically has thrown Mavs future away, and he didn't get even better player for the present. Luka is better player and maybe even more importantly team is constructed for him. All those 3&D players don't need rim protection, they need creation. AD would have been fantastic addition, if Luka stayed and Kyrie was shipped out. Nico did total **** on every level possible.


A level of arrogance and stupidity I have never seen in sports (Nico Harrison). I've seen and experienced it once in the business world and I never want to be in that situation again.

I'll be pulling for every team that plays the Mavericks going forward if I watch and I probably won't waste my time on it.

Nepotist Nico in Adam The Fraud Silver's league.

Sports franchises who do this sort of thing don't recover for a long long long long time.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#385 » by 41Dirk41 » Tue Feb 4, 2025 1:00 pm

It's just collusion.

We will see in the future what is the payback.

Nico is not stupid, owners are not stupid.

This is a good move for them, but it's awful for the Mavs and the fanbase.

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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#386 » by 41Dirk41 » Tue Feb 4, 2025 1:32 pm

"This is amazing from the standpoint of the business of the game. Luka was #6 in jersey sales in Dallas, Luka now shoots to #1 in jersey sales with the Lakers. Now the international market, think about it we just signed a new TV deal, what $25 billion, let's just throw it out there, $25 billion TV deal. You got the top international player in LA, so the viewership, the ticket sales. Everybody, Europe, Spain, they’re all coming into LA, so I’m looking at the business. I’m like this was an amazing business decision by billionaires to say this is what I want for now, and this is what we need as a league." - Dwyane Wade
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Post#387 » by HMFFL » Tue Feb 4, 2025 2:06 pm

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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#388 » by 41Dirk41 » Tue Feb 4, 2025 2:22 pm

HMFFL wrote:NBA Attendance
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Post#389 » by ReggiesKnicks » Tue Feb 4, 2025 2:28 pm

Not a Mavs fan, but I'll chime in as emotion can blur vision.

I don't think it has anything to do with Collusion.

The Adelson family as owners of multiple franchises in multiple industries are extremely hands-off. Their whole objective of buying the Mavericks had nothing to do with basketball. The entire purpose of their purchase of the Mavericks is to strong-arm the state of Texas into allowing legal gambling and, eventually, building casino's and other grand areas/venues to capitalize on the unstoppable force that is gambling and money.

Now, when you consider the Adelson family couldn't care less about basketball or the Mavericks, and that they have a history of being very hands off on business operations and decisions, the person to look at here is Nico.

Nico could very well be being paid handsomely by Nike Exec's and could have been blackmailed. But I think, given the reports of many in the organization being fed-up by Luka's recurring injuries and lack of being in top-tier shape, Nico had a bone to pick with Luka.

You couple this bone to pick with a belief that building around an MVP caliber two-way player in AD is an easier team-building exercise than building around Luka and the rationale is there.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#390 » by HMFFL » Tue Feb 4, 2025 2:53 pm

Dwyane Wade believes the league wanted Luka Dončić on the Lakers

“This is amazing from the standpoint of the business of the game. Luka was number six in jersey sales in Dallas, Luka now shoots to number 1 in jersey sales with the Lakers. Now the international market, think about it; we just signed a new TV deal, what $25 billion, let’s just throw it out there, $25 billion TV deal. You got the top international player in LA, so the viewership, the ticket sales. Everybody, Europe, Spain, they’re all coming into LA, so I’m looking at the business. I’m like, this was an amazing business decision by billionaires to say this is what I want for now, and this is what we need as a league.”

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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#391 » by 41Dirk41 » Tue Feb 4, 2025 2:58 pm

Even a blind man can see what happened... Boycott the league. NBA is rigged. They don't deserve real fans.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#392 » by GermanFan120 » Tue Feb 4, 2025 3:53 pm

Nico Harrison had more doubts about Doncic than others in the organization such as Mark Cuban or Dirk Nowitzki. Jason Kidd also frequently expressed concerns publicly and directly with Doncic about his conditioning, weight fluctuations and constant arguing with officials.

Of course, what does an idiot like Nico know?

Also Kidd seems to be the snitch, aka Nico's bittch.
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Post#393 » by Bob8 » Tue Feb 4, 2025 4:01 pm

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Post#394 » by Dirk2Doncic » Tue Feb 4, 2025 4:05 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:Not a Mavs fan, but I'll chime in as emotion can blur vision.

I don't think it has anything to do with Collusion.

The Adelson family as owners of multiple franchises in multiple industries are extremely hands-off. Their whole objective of buying the Mavericks had nothing to do with basketball. The entire purpose of their purchase of the Mavericks is to strong-arm the state of Texas into allowing legal gambling and, eventually, building casino's and other grand areas/venues to capitalize on the unstoppable force that is gambling and money.

Now, when you consider the Adelson family couldn't care less about basketball or the Mavericks, and that they have a history of being very hands off on business operations and decisions, the person to look at here is Nico.

Nico could very well be being paid handsomely by Nike Exec's and could have been blackmailed. But I think, given the reports of many in the organization being fed-up by Luka's recurring injuries and lack of being in top-tier shape, Nico had a bone to pick with Luka.

You couple this bone to pick with a belief that building around an MVP caliber two-way player in AD is an easier team-building exercise than building around Luka and the rationale is there.


Thanks for chiming in.

See, I don't think it's easier, I think you just need the right players.

I have always believed you win championships with different kinds of parts so I like guys that give me an edge at something anytime they are on the court no matter the opponent and Luka Doncic gives me that.

On Harrison...

I've been in many meetings with high level execs in the corporate world. It's very believable to me that Nike VP of Operations Nico Harrison really is as arrogant and tone deaf as he demonstrated in the presser. Don't mess with those people, they will bow up and hurt you. Luka clearly messed with Nico. Often when there is conflict like this, it's the GM or the coach that gets fired. You keep the talent. GMs and coaches are easily found and many are a dime a dozen. I mean, we aren't talking about Jerry West or Pat Riley here.

I was a Mavericks fan since the inception of the franchise. I'm no longer a Mavericks fan.

Also what inexplicably gets lost in this discussion...

The Dallas Mavericks were 2024 Western Conference Champions led by a 24 year old phenom.

So what is it exactly that Nico Harrison wants to "build" to? When I hear "win now" it's mind numbingly stupid and misleading. Are we going to try to build to Western Conference champs? That's what we are. NBA champs? Well, that was the next step. Sorry, the Mavericks 2025 post season are not going to be better than Mavericks 2024 post season. And the long term future got dramatically worse. Not only this, this is now a mercenary team, it's not the same for any fan with a heart as watching a home grown talent struggle, grow, and finally scale that mountain.

As a former Mavericks fan, it's not my problem though.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#395 » by Big nick » Tue Feb 4, 2025 4:14 pm

Okc fan here man sorry for you guys that's a gut wrenching trade. You guys could have gotten the moon for Luka but hey i guess bron got what he wanted. Sorry for you guys again.
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Post#396 » by arkuo » Tue Feb 4, 2025 4:18 pm

Dirk2Doncic wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:Not a Mavs fan, but I'll chime in as emotion can blur vision.

I don't think it has anything to do with Collusion.

The Adelson family as owners of multiple franchises in multiple industries are extremely hands-off. Their whole objective of buying the Mavericks had nothing to do with basketball. The entire purpose of their purchase of the Mavericks is to strong-arm the state of Texas into allowing legal gambling and, eventually, building casino's and other grand areas/venues to capitalize on the unstoppable force that is gambling and money.

Now, when you consider the Adelson family couldn't care less about basketball or the Mavericks, and that they have a history of being very hands off on business operations and decisions, the person to look at here is Nico.

Nico could very well be being paid handsomely by Nike Exec's and could have been blackmailed. But I think, given the reports of many in the organization being fed-up by Luka's recurring injuries and lack of being in top-tier shape, Nico had a bone to pick with Luka.

You couple this bone to pick with a belief that building around an MVP caliber two-way player in AD is an easier team-building exercise than building around Luka and the rationale is there.


Thanks for chiming in.

See, I don't think it's easier, I think you just need the right players.

I have always believed you win championships with different kinds of parts so I like guys that give me an edge at something anytime they are on the court no matter the opponent and Luka Doncic gives me that.

On Harrison...

I've been in many meetings with high level execs in the corporate world. It's very believable to me that Nike VP of Operations Nico Harrison really is as arrogant and tone deaf as he demonstrated in the presser. Don't mess with those people, they will bow up and hurt you. Luka clearly messed with Nico. Often when there is conflict like this, it's the GM or the coach that gets fired. You keep the talent. GMs and coaches are easily found and many are a dime a dozen. I mean, we aren't talking about Jerry West or Pat Riley here.

I was a Mavericks fan since the inception of the franchise. I'm no longer a Mavericks fan.



The rationale and motivation of Nico was to try to win a championship and to win it fast. The goal and KPI for his job never changed. Win a championship at whatever cost. One of the things he discounted because his ass was new is that you don't trample and mess with team culture. The manner of how it was carried out was pure corporate and emotionless and arrogant. Win at whatever cost. He knows he wont be around here in 5 years or up. So he wanted to win one immediately, the methods he used is very questionable and irrational. But a goal is a goal. If he wins one out of it then in his mind it works. Sucks for everyone else.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#397 » by MassimoPayne » Tue Feb 4, 2025 4:22 pm

He is business man and this was a business move. What he does not know or what he does not care about:
No championship can heal these wounds
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Post#398 » by arkuo » Tue Feb 4, 2025 4:26 pm

MassimoPayne wrote:He is business man and this was a business move. What he does not know or what he does not care about:
No championship can heal these wounds



To be fair, those Miami Heat titles were also hollow AF but i do not think that Pat Riley gives a damn what anyone calls it. A ring is a ring.

If Nico wins one out of it then in his mind, it works. Not saying I agree with the method he used.
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Re: Luka traded to the Lakers 

Post#399 » by 41Dirk41 » Tue Feb 4, 2025 4:40 pm

We are talking about a team who played the NBA Finals 8 months ago not a lottery team.

Your speeches have no sense.

It's not about win or lose. It's not about basketball stuffs or Nico ass.

Even a Mavs hater like Wade understood what happened. Stop play their game.
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Post#400 » by Bob8 » Tue Feb 4, 2025 4:42 pm

arkuo wrote:
MassimoPayne wrote:He is business man and this was a business move. What he does not know or what he does not care about:
No championship can heal these wounds



To be fair, those Miami Heat titles were also hollow AF but i do not think that Pat Riley gives a damn what anyone calls it. A ring is a ring.

If Nico wins one out of it then in his mind, it works. Not saying I agree with the method he used.


The biggest problem is that he lowered his chances to win a title with this trade.

Vegas odds for LA went from +4000 to +1400, Mavs from +2000 to +3000. It's a tectonic shift. Nobody believes in Nico's moves, short term or long term.

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