Luka AD trade thread Part II

[CBS7]

Two things no one can believe -

1. A team would get tired of a primadona basketball player with a drinking problem, weight issues and anger management issues

2. That a team would take this step with Luka before Zion for weight, a team would take this step with Luka before Harden for drinking and partying, and a team would take this step with Luka before Draymond for anger issues… hell if it’s injuries they did this to Luka before Embiid and if it’s off the court crazy they did this to Luka before Ja…

So either Dallas ownership is legit strict on doing it the right way or Luka a nut job OR Dallas actually believes that they can win one this year OR


Dallas is the dumbest org in nba history


All and all I only feel bad for Mavs fans- they deserve better- I hope they win the ring this year - cause this appears to be the ballesy move OR the biggest betrayal in sports history

A ring would fix some things but it won't fix everything. People really cared about the loyalty thing. They wanted to win with their guy.

[Bob8]

Two things no one can believe -

1. A team would get tired of a primadona basketball player with a drinking problem, weight issues and anger management issues

2. That a team would take this step with Luka before Zion for weight, a team would take this step with Luka before Harden for drinking and partying, and a team would take this step with Luka before Draymond for anger issues… hell if it’s injuries they did this to Luka before Embiid and if it’s off the court crazy they did this to Luka before Ja…

So either Dallas ownership is legit strict on doing it the right way or Luka a nut job OR Dallas actually believes that they can win one this year OR


Dallas is the dumbest org in nba history

Let's say Luka is an alcoholic, who's never sober. Fat and totally unconditioned. But he by miracle averages 34/9/10, 62% TS, wining scoring title, is 3rd in MVP voting, makes 5th time in a row first All Nba team and while doing all that he brings your underdog team in the Finals, beating 1st, 3rd and 4th seed without home court advantage in the process, while playing the most total minutes in Nba and has the highest usage.

Who would trade player like that? Answer is just 1. Arrogant idiot.

[snaquille oatmeal]

Best simile so far: The Mavs trading Luka for AD is like the 1972 Jackson 5 trading Michael Jackson for 1989 Queen’s Freddy Mercury

respect Freddy

There is no disrespect towards Freddy, he was just towards the back end of his career in the late 80’s, as is AD

[TheGeneral99]

Two things no one can believe -

1. A team would get tired of a primadona basketball player with a drinking problem, weight issues and anger management issues

2. That a team would take this step with Luka before Zion for weight, a team would take this step with Luka before Harden for drinking and partying, and a team would take this step with Luka before Draymond for anger issues… hell if it’s injuries they did this to Luka before Embiid and if it’s off the court crazy they did this to Luka before Ja…

So either Dallas ownership is legit strict on doing it the right way or Luka a nut job OR Dallas actually believes that they can win one this year OR


Dallas is the dumbest org in nba history

Let's say Luka is an alcoholic, who's never sober. Fat and totally unconditioned. But he by miracle averages 34/9/10, 62% TS, wining scoring title, is 3rd in MVP voting, makes 5th time in a row first All Nba team and while doing all that he brings your underdog team in the Finals, beating 1st, 3rd and 4th seed without home court advantage in the process, while playing the most total minutes in Nba and has the highest usage.

Who would trade player like that? Answer is just 1. Arrogant idiot.

Yep, lol.

This supposedly out of shape, overweight, alcoholic, lazy bum managed to post numbers in his first 6 seasons on par with Lebron and Jordan while being a straight up killer in the playoffs, leading the Mavericks to a conference finals and finals with a weak supporting cast. Oh and he's been relatively healthy his whole career.

Imagine what he could do if he got in shape.

[Dirk2Doncic]

I still can't believe what the Mavericks did. It is unprecedent in sports history.

They spat on the Mavericks fanbase with the trade. It's sickening honestly even as a non-Maverick.

Yes. And thank you.

I was a Mavericks fan since the inception of the franchise.

I am no longer a Mavericks fan.

I am not going to support scum and that's what this organization under new ownership has demonstrated itself to be. Nico Harrison in the presser demonstrated a disgustingly high level of arrogance, stupidity, tone deaf, smiling, laughing, figuratively spitting on the majority of the fanbase including an entire country, shortsighted), and Kidd groveling was disgusting. I'm out.

[Zespetjest]

Two things no one can believe -

1. A team would get tired of a primadona basketball player with a drinking problem, weight issues and anger management issues

2. That a team would take this step with Luka before Zion for weight, a team would take this step with Luka before Harden for drinking and partying, and a team would take this step with Luka before Draymond for anger issues… hell if it’s injuries they did this to Luka before Embiid and if it’s off the court crazy they did this to Luka before Ja…

So either Dallas ownership is legit strict on doing it the right way or Luka a nut job OR Dallas actually believes that they can win one this year OR


Dallas is the dumbest org in nba history

Let's say Luka is an alcoholic, who's never sober. Fat and totally unconditioned. But he by miracle averages 34/9/10, 62% TS, wining scoring title, is 3rd in MVP voting, makes 5th time in a row first All Nba team and while doing all that he brings your underdog team in the Finals, beating 1st, 3rd and 4th seed without home court advantage in the process, while playing the most total minutes in Nba and has the highest usage.

Who would trade player like that? Answer is just 1. Arrogant idiot.

Amen!

[snaquille oatmeal]

respect Freddy

Yeah what is that guy saying

Freddy might be the greatest live performer of all-time. Insane disrespect from the OP.

More like 2003 Kelly Rowland.

You obviously misunderstood the post. There is no disrespect towards Freddy at all. Understand that Freddy was on the back end of his career just like AD is. In essence the post is saying that a young great singer gets traded for a great singer who is nearing the end of his careers. M Jackson and Freddy are phenomenal singers just at different stages of their careers. As I see it Luka and AD are both phenomenal basketball players just at different stages of their careers

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Luka losing 120 million wasn’t for punishment. The real deal was the Lakers getting the player and saving 120 mil.

Luka will lose around 16m, most likely, because of this.
He will sign a 2+1 extension and then a brand new one 5y starting at 35% if the cap in 2028. He might even as for a NTC, not sure (would this count as the 1st out of four season for the lakers?)

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Look the people that know Luka better than you or me - traded Luka- so I don’t get it Bob… but the Mavs gave up on Luka and cost him 120 million -so it was mean spirited and cold - cause Nico clearly hates Luka

According to all sources "the people" = Nico Harrison. He didn't consult with anyone in the organization. And nothing of what came out so far justifies this, so no benefit of the doubt.

But does a billion dollar business let anyone but the owner make a decision of this magnitude without communicating with other people? I don’t know - I have been in the corp world for a long time, and I have never seen anyone not named the owner make a decision of this level that will change the fundamental business strategy for a decade in isolation. I think Nico is lying about not talking to anyone to protect the guilty -

Companies love meetings- and I’m sure there were meetings- If yall think Nico did this alone, then Dallas is indeed the dumbest billion dollar business on earth

This is being confirmed by beat writers and their sources in the org, apparently. Even Mark Cuban was stunned.
Everything is pointing at the notion that Nico went rogue and make this call on his own, while the new ownership just gave him full authority.
Hence this is not about "The Mavs know Luka better than anybody" but "how much do we trust this guy's judgement".
Once again, for what we've seen so far about Luka a trade like this is ridiculous, so zero benefit of the doubt.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

you can say that but you are ignoring all the warning signs that something is up with Luka. the drinking, the on court temper tantrums, the weight issues and the injuries, and the coaching quitting and the intermittent lack of effort on defense. and just watch this....

https://youtu.be/qayhHxOzqUI?si=tAwzIiqYgY2TmM3K

this is last finals....you don't think this matters and may have led to trading Luka? the Mavs are living with Luka everyday and they apparently got tired of him being out of control and they moved him....

its crazy to think BUT ask yourself this...would you have moved Allen Iverson in his prime or would you have rode it out with a player that was talented as all hell but undisciplined? This is starting to feel like the Mavs saw what we learned with AI, a undisciplined all world talent can get to you to the finals but can't beat a team of talented stars committed to winning and doing it the right way....and the MAVs apparently decided to move on from this generations AI EARLY....

not saying I would do it but in hindsight it makes some sense....even if I wouldn't do it...it makes sense.

There would be people defending a Giannis for Harden trade because Giannis' English isn't as good, so he can't communicate with his teammates effectively.

This is why the NBA gets away with stuff like this.

So you just can’t imagine someone like Luka could be so
Much of a headache that a company wouldn’t want to pay he 350 million dollars and would want him out of their company? Well Nico literally said as much and traded him… so take Nico at his word - cause he did trade Luka and other than hating Luka, nothing else really makes sense

not really, because all reporting was describing him as very low maintenance, compared to hi talent level.
of course the conditioning and of course keeping his cool when officials were not calling it as he wanted.
but he was not a diva nor a locker room cancer.
you don't trade guys like that unless there's something much bigger behind.

[GSWFan1994]

Man, I still can't believe this trade is real. Just saw a video on YouTube and the thumbnail was Luka on a photoshopped Lakers jersey, felt surreal.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Best simile so far: The Mavs trading Luka for AD is like the 1972 Jackson 5 trading Michael Jackson for 1989 Queen’s Freddy Mercury

respect Freddie

There is no disrespect towards Freddy, he was just towards the back end of his career in the late 80’s, as is AD

my point is that Feddie:Music>>>>AD:Basketball
Since 1989 the Queen published The Miracle and Innuendo. He wrote The Show Must Go On.
This analogy would be more like trading Luka for 1996 jordon. A legend at the end of his career, but still good enough to be the best.

I still remember the day Freddie died, the moment I found out, I was in middle school. It was a few days after Magic's HIV announcement.
I was devastated, I got the Innuendo CD that summer and I was still listening to it, not really understanding in full what The Show Must Go On meant.

[microjacklin]

lol, can't believe there's people still argue the reason Nico giving
please keep it, it's rare for being such pure in these era.

Maybe the Mavs just make the worst action for NBA franchise,
but this maybe the best business action they make for the owner if they finally can have their other business in Texas

For NBA, why against it when it can bring their golden team LA Lakers another golden boy and help the falling viewership for the next decade.
also to have a arena combine with resort and casino plus shopping mall in Texas is such a good invest !

[snaquille oatmeal]

respect Freddie

There is no disrespect towards Freddy, he was just towards the back end of his career in the late 80’s, as is AD

my point is that Feddie:Music>>>>AD:Basketball
Since 1989 the Queen published The Miracle and Innuendo. He wrote The Show Must Go On.
This analogy would be more like trading Luka for 1996 jordon. A legend at the end of his career, but still good enough to be the best.

I still remember the day Freddie died, the moment I found out, I was in middle school. It was a few days after Magic's HIV announcement.
I was devastated, I got the Innuendo CD that summer and I was still listening to it, not really understanding in full what The Show Must Go On meant.

The similarities are a young talented singer about to enter his prime versus a talented singer towards the end of his career. The level of talent between AD and Freddy is irrelevant, what is relevant is the shock of the trade.

[LakersSoul]

lol, can't believe there's people still argue the reason Nico giving
please keep it, it's rare for being such pure in these era.

Maybe the Mavs just make the worst action for NBA franchise,
but this maybe the best business action they make for the owner if they finally can have their other business in Texas

For NBA, why against it when it can bring their golden team LA Lakers another golden boy and help the falling viewership for the next decade.

To think the owners wouldnt consider the implications and make the final decision is silly.

The new owners wanted and supported the Luka trade to get under the luxury tax. Its all about the money!

Blame Cuban for selling.
Blame the owner for not paying $70m/per

These are the true reason for the trade and no other teams having a player like AD.

[Bob8]

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[ConSarnit]

Two things no one can believe -

1. A team would get tired of a primadona basketball player with a drinking problem, weight issues and anger management issues

2. That a team would take this step with Luka before Zion for weight, a team would take this step with Luka before Harden for drinking and partying, and a team would take this step with Luka before Draymond for anger issues… hell if it’s injuries they did this to Luka before Embiid and if it’s off the court crazy they did this to Luka before Ja…

So either Dallas ownership is legit strict on doing it the right way or Luka a nut job OR Dallas actually believes that they can win one this year OR


Dallas is the dumbest org in nba history

Let's say Luka is an alcoholic, who's never sober. Fat and totally unconditioned. But he by miracle averages 34/9/10, 62% TS, wining scoring title, is 3rd in MVP voting, makes 5th time in a row first All Nba team and while doing all that he brings your underdog team in the Finals, beating 1st, 3rd and 4th seed without home court advantage in the process, while playing the most total minutes in Nba and has the highest usage.

Who would trade player like that? Answer is just 1. Arrogant idiot.

Yep, lol.

This supposedly out of shape, overweight, alcoholic, lazy bum managed to post numbers in his first 6 seasons on par with Lebron and Jordan while being a straight up killer in the playoffs, leading the Mavericks to a conference finals and finals with a weak supporting cast. Oh and he's been relatively healthy his whole career.

Imagine what he could do if he got in shape.

I would guess that Nico would argue that he is never going to get in shape (I'm sure the Mavs have tried everything over the past 7 years) and that if Luka actually has real food/alcohol problems those things don't exactly make you healthier as you approach your 30's.

We've all known people who drink too much in their early 20's and it's usually been fine. It doesn't begin to look so fine when they're 30. Now, of course Nico should have given it a couple of more years, milked Luka's talent before it really falls apart (if it does), and then traded him. Luka can obviously still carry a team on his shoulders at a level maybe only 3-4 guys can (Davis is not one of them).

If Luka really does have a problem I don't blame the Mavs for wanting to get ahead of it. They have more info than we do and if they think chronic injury + not taking care of yourself is a recipe for disaster sooner than later it makes sense to move him.

I can somewhat get on board with moving Luka if you don't trust him. The real crime is not soliciting other offers. That's just gross incompetence.

[th87]

Yeah what is that guy saying

Freddy might be the greatest live performer of all-time. Insane disrespect from the OP.

More like 2003 Kelly Rowland.

You obviously misunderstood the post. There is no disrespect towards Freddy at all. Understand that Freddy was on the back end of his career just like AD is. In essence the post is saying that a young great singer gets traded for a great singer who is nearing the end of his careers. M Jackson and Freddy are phenomenal singers just at different stages of their careers. As I see it Luka and AD are both phenomenal basketball players just at different stages of their careers

AD was never the lead, but was an elite supporting player. Just like Kelly Rowland (who was almost as impactful as Beyoncé [better singer]).

Freddy was *the* lead guy.

[TheGeneral99]

Let's say Luka is an alcoholic, who's never sober. Fat and totally unconditioned. But he by miracle averages 34/9/10, 62% TS, wining scoring title, is 3rd in MVP voting, makes 5th time in a row first All Nba team and while doing all that he brings your underdog team in the Finals, beating 1st, 3rd and 4th seed without home court advantage in the process, while playing the most total minutes in Nba and has the highest usage.

Who would trade player like that? Answer is just 1. Arrogant idiot.

Yep, lol.

This supposedly out of shape, overweight, alcoholic, lazy bum managed to post numbers in his first 6 seasons on par with Lebron and Jordan while being a straight up killer in the playoffs, leading the Mavericks to a conference finals and finals with a weak supporting cast. Oh and he's been relatively healthy his whole career.

Imagine what he could do if he got in shape.

I would guess that Nico would argue that he is never going to get in shape (I'm sure the Mavs have tried everything over the past 7 years) and that if Luka actually has real food/alcohol problems those things don't exactly make you healthier as you approach your 30's.

We've all known people who drink too much in their early 20's and it's usually been fine. It doesn't begin to look so fine when they're 30. Now, of course Nico should have given it a couple of more years, milked Luka's talent before it really falls apart (if it does), and then traded him. Luka can obviously still carry a team on his shoulders at a level maybe only 3-4 guys can (Davis is not one of them).

If Luka really does have a problem I don't blame the Mavs for wanting to get ahead of it. They have more info than we do and if they think chronic injury + not taking care of yourself is a recipe for disaster sooner than later it makes sense to move him.

I can somewhat get on board with moving Luka if you don't trust him. The real crime is not soliciting other offers. That's just gross incompetence.

Lowry had weight issues which he solved when he was 29 years old.

And yes exactly - let's concede Luka has a real issue...why would Nico not consult other teams and get the best trade package possible? Most teams would jump on the chance to get a generational MVP level talent at just 25 years old. Why is Sam Presti hoarding a ton of draft picks...so he could use them when a guy of this caliber becomes available.

[Marvin Martian]

lol, can't believe there's people still argue the reason Nico giving
please keep it, it's rare for being such pure in these era.

Maybe the Mavs just make the worst action for NBA franchise,
but this maybe the best business action they make for the owner if they finally can have their other business in Texas

For NBA, why against it when it can bring their golden team LA Lakers another golden boy and help the falling viewership for the next decade.
also to have a arena combine with resort and casino plus shopping mall in Texas is such a good invest !

Isn't gambling banned in Dallas? Ownership won't have their casino in a new arena.

The other way for them to have their casino is to move the team