Jimmy Butler has blocked multiple trades that would’ve landed him on contending teams

[eldandy]

• Pat and Spo lay down traps
• Jimmy keeps walking into them and having meltdowns like a bozo
• Jimmy keeps getting suspended
• Jimmy is acting like he has a no trade clause and controls his destiny and is likely refusing to report to any team that tries to get him other than Phoenix
• Miami are under no obligation to trade him to his destination and aren't gonna further ruin their team by taking back bad contracts in order for a malcontent to get his way

<----you are here

• Jimmy doesn't get traded and remains suspended the rest of the year without pay
• Jimmy opts in to get his money
• Pat and Spo continue to set traps because Jimmy is dumb enough to keep stepping in them
• Jimmy has a meltdown and walks out again
• they suspend him for the season or flat out terminate him for repeated breach of contract
• Jimmy never gets the money he opted in for
• the union will try and fail to get Jimmys money back because Pat has been documenting it all and it will be textbook conduct detrimental to the team with REPEATED violations and offenses
• Jimmy will be 37 and accept a minimum contract on a middle of the road team because contenders aren't gonna risk destroying their room for an old malcontent diva

when keeping it real goes wrong.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Right, that makes sense, but I am wondering what was up with this going back to KD. Eg he could have gone to Boston for Jaylen Brown and won a title already (and BRK would have been better off), but for some reason guys are desperate for Phoenix.

Well if I had to guess, it just goes back to them being willing to overpay aging players. Maybe KD could have gotten a max extension anywhere at that time, but remember once you have enough tenure in the league you can just keep cashing in max extensions, as long as someone is willing to write the check.

If money was my #1 priority above all else, and I knew there was a franchise that would probably max me regardless of performance, just due to star power, and I was shameless about it, I would probably try to get to that franchise by my mid 30's.

I think it's a combination of things. At the time of the KD trade PHX was still a team with solid upside. I've also heard former players talk highly about PHX. I think PHX might be a tier 2 destination now that Sarver is gone (in the same way the Clippers got stars after Sterling was ousted).

Phoenix: West coast-ish, warm, non-POS owner willing to spend. I think players actually want to be there now.

Oh no doubt about it, there's a reason many people choose it as a place to retire as well. But "willing to spend" probably ranks highly on that list for many, too.

[AFM]

At this point is all of this drama better than just trading for Beal and being done with it?

Beal has a no trade clause and refuses to waive it. It's not an option.

[ConSarnit]

Reports are that he is telling teams he will not re-sign with them if traded there. That is killing trade opportunities. Would make no sense to pay the Heat what they want only to have Butler the rest of this season.

Then the Heat gotta lower their asking price.

Jimmy literally cannot block a trade.

Windy reporting as a Heat mouthpiece.

This is assuming all he said is he won't extend. It's likely more than that and even if it isn't, it can be inferred, that whatever team trades for him is just assuming the same headache Miami is going through. In other words, what's to stop him from just doing the same exact thing in his new destination (half-assing it on the court, missing games due to "illness" when he's actually at the club, etc) without an assurance from Jimmy he wants to be there?

That's why if anything, Miami should just keep him and sit him down. He's an expiring, big deal, plenty of teams deal with useless expirings, in fact many are on the court and contribute negatively, at least if he's off the court he's not hurting.

I think the Heat have to play the waiting game until Butler is willing to go elsewhere (maybe this off-season?). No one wants to trade for him hoping to sell him because there's a good chance he'll bring his piss-poor attitude and kill your franchise. Butler has no free agency options this summer if he wants to get paid. As long as the Heat don't budge on Beal then Butler is going to have to open his options to other teams if he wants to get paid.

[Indomitable]

• Pat and Spo lay down traps
• Jimmy keeps walking into them and having meltdowns like a bozo
• Jimmy keeps getting suspended
• Jimmy is acting like he has a no trade clause and controls his destiny and is likely refusing to report to any team that tries to get him other than Phoenix
• Miami are under no obligation to trade him to his destination and aren't gonna further ruin their team by taking back bad contracts in order for a malcontent to get his way

<----you are here

• Jimmy doesn't get traded and remains suspended the rest of the year without pay
• Jimmy opts in to get his money
• Pat and Spo continue to set traps because Jimmy is dumb enough to keep stepping in them
• Jimmy has a meltdown and walks out again
• they suspend him for the season or flat out terminate him for repeated breach of contract
• Jimmy never gets the money he opted in for
• the union will try and fail to get Jimmys money back because Pat has been documenting it all and it will be textbook conduct detrimental to the team
• Jimmy will be 37 and accept a minimum contract on a middle of the road team because contenders aren't gonna risk destroying their room for an old malcontent diva

when keeping it real goes wrong.

Once you release him. The money will be paid.

This is not your HR department. Jimmy will get some of the suspension money back. He only does not get next years money if he refuses it.

They can cut him and he will still get that contract.

As long as he does not commit a felony he is guaranteed to receive it unless he declines it.

[LarsV8]

I feel like the new CBA is causing so many issues.

I bet the owners are going to push back hard in the next negotiations.

[Domejandro]

I hope he gets locked out for the rest of the season at this point, because he's just being a dong.

There is definitely a nonzero chance that Pat Riley keeps Jimmy Butler indefinitely suspended and doesn't trade him.

Should he pick up his Player Option (he will), there is a world where Jimmy ends up Latrell Spreewell-ing himself.

[tsherkin]

I hope he gets locked out for the rest of the season at this point, because he's just being a dong.

There is definitely a nonzero chance that Pat Riley keeps Jimmy Butler indefinitely suspended and doesn't trade him.

Should he pick up his Player Option (he will), there is a world where Jimmy ends up Latrell Spreewell-ing himself.

Yeah. It's a messy situation, man. Crappy for the fans, though.

[NYPiston]

God I hope that Miami keeps him, let him rot.

[Calvin Klein]

Do not let go, Beal. Hold on to that NTC. **** them for making awful decisions.

[Woodsanity]

Is all this drama really worth the Heat holding onto him at this point? They should just trade him to the Suns or release him and be done with it.

They don't want Beal or other bad contract of the suns

At least Beal is drama free.

Beal also has a NTC so not like the Suns can do the trade anyway.

[JujitsuFlip]

Reports are that he is telling teams he will not re-sign with them if traded there. That is killing trade opportunities. Would make no sense to pay the Heat what they want only to have Butler the rest of this season.

Then the Heat gotta lower their asking price.

Jimmy literally cannot block a trade.

Windy reporting as a Heat mouthpiece.

This is assuming all he said is he won't extend. It's likely more than that and even if it isn't, it can be inferred, that whatever team trades for him is just assuming the same headache Miami is going through. In other words, what's to stop him from just doing the same exact thing in his new destination (half-assing it on the court, missing games due to "illness" when he's actually at the club, etc) without an assurance from Jimmy he wants to be there?

That's why if anything, Miami should just keep him and sit him down. He's an expiring, big deal, plenty of teams deal with useless expirings, in fact many are on the court and contribute negatively, at least if he's off the court he's not hurting.

If I'm the Heat, idc what he does, once i trade him.

Kawhi didn't want to go to the Raptors yet went and won a title.

At this point, maybe all Jimmy is, is a rental. But he just wants away from Pat and heat culture.

He gave full effort on the Wolves, 76ers, and Heat after being traded, so i see no reason why he would play like crap for his new team, for this half season.

[madmaxmedia]

• Pat and Spo lay down traps
• Jimmy keeps walking into them and having meltdowns like a bozo
• Jimmy keeps getting suspended
• Jimmy is acting like he has a no trade clause and controls his destiny and is likely refusing to report to any team that tries to get him other than Phoenix
• Miami are under no obligation to trade him to his destination and aren't gonna further ruin their team by taking back bad contracts in order for a malcontent to get his way

<----you are here

• Jimmy doesn't get traded and remains suspended the rest of the year without pay
• Jimmy opts in to get his money
• Pat and Spo continue to set traps because Jimmy is dumb enough to keep stepping in them
• Jimmy has a meltdown and walks out again
• they suspend him for the season or flat out terminate him for repeated breach of contract
• Jimmy never gets the money he opted in for
• the union will try and fail to get Jimmys money back because Pat has been documenting it all and it will be textbook conduct detrimental to the team
• Jimmy will be 37 and accept a minimum contract on a middle of the road team because contenders aren't gonna risk destroying their room for an old malcontent diva

when keeping it real goes wrong.

Once you release him. The money will be paid.

This is not your HR department. Jimmy will get some of the suspension money back. He only does not get next years money if he refuses it.

They can cut him and he will still get that contract.

As long as he does not commit a felony he is guaranteed to receive it unless he declines it.

And purposely 'setting a trap' to destroy his market value (in a trade or on the open market) would be absolutely cutting of their nose to spite their face. Unless you think Miami cares more about not paying Butler, vs. getting the best assets possible back in a trade.

[wade44]

Lillard last season said Heat or nothing and league made a big stink. This time with Jimmy butler signaling Phoenix only and they’re quiet as a mouse. Talk about select enforcing the rules

[TheAlchemist]

I'm pretty sure the blocked team , or at least one of them, was GSW. With the GSW / Toronto / Miami trade

[JXL]

Heat are making a big mistake holding Butler hostage. Especially with his player option as a weapon.

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Then the Heat gotta lower their asking price.

Jimmy literally cannot block a trade.

Windy reporting as a Heat mouthpiece.

This is assuming all he said is he won't extend. It's likely more than that and even if it isn't, it can be inferred, that whatever team trades for him is just assuming the same headache Miami is going through. In other words, what's to stop him from just doing the same exact thing in his new destination (half-assing it on the court, missing games due to "illness" when he's actually at the club, etc) without an assurance from Jimmy he wants to be there?

That's why if anything, Miami should just keep him and sit him down. He's an expiring, big deal, plenty of teams deal with useless expirings, in fact many are on the court and contribute negatively, at least if he's off the court he's not hurting.

If I'm the Heat, idc what he does, once i trade him.

Kawhi didn't want to go to the Raptors yet went and won a title.

At this point, maybe all Jimmy is, is a rental. But he just wants away from Pat and heat culture.

He gave full effort on the Wolves, 76ers, and Heat after being traded, so i see no reason why he would play like crap for his new team, for this half season.

Obviously the Heat shouldn't care and just take the best deal, but you need the other team to agree. For all we know other teams are saying no thanks after finding out Jimmy won't extend.

[HMFFL]

I hope he gets locked out for the rest of the season at this point, because he's just being a dong.

Exactly!
I have no respect for Jimmy at this point.

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[madmaxmedia]

How can he block a trade? I thought all he can do is say he won't resign with the team he's traded to? If so, that's one thing Jimmy's doing that I don't think is wrong - if he's being honest.

He's not wrong, it's just a terrible strategy. His threat is basically "I won't re-sign with you if you trade for me". The issue is there are no options in free agency where he can get the money he wants. Butler has very little leverage because there are no cap space teams that can pay him what he wants. If Butler goes the "won't re-sign" route he's going to end up in a situation where the only way to get paid is in a sign and trade with one of the teams he doesn't want to go to in the first place.

I was initially kinda on his side at the beginning of this, but this is just pathetic.

I hope Riley extract as much assets from trading him as possible and then washes his hands of this moron.

Yes- asking for a trade is fine, as is informing certain teams he's not going to re-sign with them if they trade for him. I'd say asking for a trade is equivalent to a team shopping a player in a trade, both are okay. But even if only for your own benefit be a professional about it, and earn your millions and just play your basketball for goodness sake.

[Crives]

Lillard last season said Heat or nothing and league made a big stink. This time with Jimmy butler signaling Phoenix only and they’re quiet as a mouse. Talk about select enforcing the rules

Jimmy has said he will play but not extend.
Lillard was on long term deal and said he wouldn’t play

Big difference