Jimmy Butler has blocked multiple trades that would’ve landed him on contending teams

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Re: Jimmy Butler has blocked multiple trades that would’ve landed him on contending teams 

Post#81 » by JujitsuFlip » Tue Feb 4, 2025 5:32 pm

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Tim_Hardawayy wrote:This is assuming all he said is he won't extend. It's likely more than that and even if it isn't, it can be inferred, that whatever team trades for him is just assuming the same headache Miami is going through. In other words, what's to stop him from just doing the same exact thing in his new destination (half-assing it on the court, missing games due to "illness" when he's actually at the club, etc) without an assurance from Jimmy he wants to be there?

That's why if anything, Miami should just keep him and sit him down. He's an expiring, big deal, plenty of teams deal with useless expirings, in fact many are on the court and contribute negatively, at least if he's off the court he's not hurting.
If I'm the Heat, idc what he does, once i trade him.

Kawhi didn't want to go to the Raptors yet went and won a title.

At this point, maybe all Jimmy is, is a rental. But he just wants away from Pat and heat culture.

He gave full effort on the Wolves, 76ers, and Heat after being traded, so i see no reason why he would play like crap for his new team, for this half season.

Obviously the Heat shouldn't care and just take the best deal, but you need the other team to agree. For all we know other teams are saying no thanks after finding out Jimmy won't extend.
Some team will risk it, assuming the package is the level of DeRozan and a protected 1st.
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Re: Jimmy Butler has blocked multiple trades that would’ve landed him on contending teams 

Post#82 » by NyKnicks1714 » Tue Feb 4, 2025 5:36 pm

So he wants to go to Phoenix because they're the only team willing to give him a max extension. Makes sense from his POV I guess, although he's being an ass about it. I don't know why Phoenix is willing to do that.
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Re: Jimmy Butler wants Phoenix or nothing and not a peep from the league 

Post#83 » by wade44 » Tue Feb 4, 2025 5:37 pm

Crives wrote:
Johnny Fontane wrote:Lillard last season said Heat or nothing and league made a big stink. This time with Jimmy butler signaling Phoenix only and they’re quiet as a mouse. Talk about select enforcing the rules


Jimmy has said he will play but not extend.
Lillard was on long term deal and said he wouldn’t play

Big difference


Shouldn’t matter if Jimmy’s a rental or not. Still the same premise but somehow worse
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Re: Jimmy Butler has blocked multiple trades that would’ve landed him on contending teams 

Post#84 » by Dominator83 » Tue Feb 4, 2025 5:38 pm

LarsV8 wrote:I feel like the new CBA is causing so many issues.

I bet the owners are going to push back hard in the next negotiations.

Your forgetting about Adam Silver. He's bent over in every CBA negotiation
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Re: Jimmy Butler has blocked multiple trades that would’ve landed him on contending teams 

Post#85 » by BBallFreak » Tue Feb 4, 2025 5:38 pm

Crives wrote:
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Crives wrote:
He has told teams he won’t resign, not that he won’t play


Well if hes saying he’ll only resign with the suns a team where a trade isn’t possible atm that makes no sense. He’s gotta give some options for teams he would re sign to especially since HE asked for the trade lol


He is perfectly within his right to tell teams he plans to enter free agency.

I know you're a Suns fan and all, but you can't be this obtuse. The reason teams are backing off is because of what he's doing in Miami right now. He's literally scaring teams away.
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Re: Jimmy Butler has blocked multiple trades that would’ve landed him on contending teams 

Post#86 » by xxSnEaKyPxx » Tue Feb 4, 2025 5:40 pm

Big J wrote:Is all this drama really worth the Heat holding onto him at this point? They should just trade him to the Suns or release him and be done with it.

Absolutely.

If you cave, then contracts mean nothing at all. Every player will know they can hold their team hostage.

Let him lose millions a week while he sits at home and watches ESPN. All the teams is forced from ESPN and such, doubt it’s bothering the locker room much.
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Post#87 » by davidv2001 » Tue Feb 4, 2025 5:40 pm

Bornstellar wrote:If Beal doesn't want to be traded then there's no deal to be made. Not sure what Butler's end game here is.


Jimmy Butler is used to getting his way. He did it in Chicago and Minnesota, too. This is the first time in the NBA that a team didn’t bend to his wishes.

I can’t believe someone in his inner circle hasn’t knocked some sense in him by making him understand that no NBA team wants to owe Bradley Beal $110M through the 2026-2027 season, and Beal has a no-trade clause and likes being a part of the Phoenix Suns enough to not leave. He either opens up his destinations, or he can rot on the bench in Miami at a minimum through this season, if not next (assuming he opts in his $52M player option).
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Re: Jimmy Butler has blocked multiple trades that would’ve landed him on contending teams 

Post#88 » by Pointgod » Tue Feb 4, 2025 5:42 pm

Mark my words. Jimmy to take a buyout from the Heat this summer and go to the Suns for a vet min.
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Re: Jimmy Butler has blocked multiple trades that would’ve landed him on contending teams 

Post#89 » by Biff » Tue Feb 4, 2025 5:42 pm

Dude just needs to face reality and that reality is Beal isn't going to waive his NTC to go to Miami. And we have no other way to get him here outside trading Booker or KD, which isn't going to happen.
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Re: Jimmy Butler has blocked multiple trades that would’ve landed him on contending teams 

Post#90 » by SA37 » Tue Feb 4, 2025 5:45 pm

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Tim_Hardawayy wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:If I'm the Heat, idc what he does, once i trade him.

Kawhi didn't want to go to the Raptors yet went and won a title.

At this point, maybe all Jimmy is, is a rental. But he just wants away from Pat and heat culture.

He gave full effort on the Wolves, 76ers, and Heat after being traded, so i see no reason why he would play like crap for his new team, for this half season.

Obviously the Heat shouldn't care and just take the best deal, but you need the other team to agree. For all we know other teams are saying no thanks after finding out Jimmy won't extend.
Some team will risk it, assuming the package is the level of DeRozan and a protected 1st.


The issue is acquiring Butler requires most teams to move at least 2 players, if not more, and in most scenarios that are plausible, it involves a veteran who is above average but not an all-star, a good role player, and then you can squabble about any potential draft picks.

My guess is Beal simply has no interest in being moved. And even if there were 1-2 destinations he'd accept, one of those teams would need to be willing to acquire him and live with his NTC. I just don't see that at this point. That would leave Milwaukee and Golden St as the main teams left potentially willing to take a chance on Butler, with perhaps a team like Memphis or Houston willing to risk renting Butler since they can essentially acquire him for expirings and a prospect.
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Re: Jimmy Butler has blocked multiple trades that would’ve landed him on contending teams 

Post#91 » by davidv2001 » Tue Feb 4, 2025 5:46 pm

Big J wrote:At this point is all of this drama better than just trading for Beal and being done with it?


Yes. Drama doesn’t kill the Heat’s 2026 free agency plans by having Bradley Beal on the books for 57 million and Beal holding a no trade clause. The Heat would rather waive Butler and let him sign with Phoenix for the minimum than do that.
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Re: Jimmy Butler has blocked multiple trades that would’ve landed him on contending teams 

Post#92 » by BBallFreak » Tue Feb 4, 2025 5:46 pm

Pointgod wrote:Mark my words. Jimmy to take a buyout from the Heat this summer and go to the Suns for a vet min.

He'll never get his extension. At this point, I'm good with that.
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Re: Jimmy Butler has blocked multiple trades that would’ve landed him on contending teams 

Post#93 » by Pointgod » Tue Feb 4, 2025 5:47 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
Pointgod wrote:Mark my words. Jimmy to take a buyout from the Heat this summer and go to the Suns for a vet min.

He'll never get his extension. At this point, I'm good with that.


Yeah kind of the best resolution if both parties can put away their egos and just move on.
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Post#94 » by BBallFreak » Tue Feb 4, 2025 5:49 pm

Pointgod wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:
Pointgod wrote:Mark my words. Jimmy to take a buyout from the Heat this summer and go to the Suns for a vet min.

He'll never get his extension. At this point, I'm good with that.


Yeah kind of the best resolution if both parties can put away their egos and just move on.

He doesn't have a choice if we just cut him. He'd get a few extra bucks from us but he couldn't hold us hostage anymore.
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Re: Jimmy Butler has blocked multiple trades that would’ve landed him on contending teams 

Post#95 » by Pointgod » Tue Feb 4, 2025 5:51 pm

BBallFreak wrote:
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BBallFreak wrote:He'll never get his extension. At this point, I'm good with that.


Yeah kind of the best resolution if both parties can put away their egos and just move on.

He doesn't have a choice if we just cut him. He'd get a few extra bucks from us but he couldn't hold us hostage anymore.


Ahh so I see you’d be down to just waive him. I was thinking buy out so Jimmy gives up some money but yeah I guess waiving him works too for the Heat
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Re: Jimmy Butler has blocked multiple trades that would’ve landed him on contending teams 

Post#96 » by Shock Defeat » Tue Feb 4, 2025 5:51 pm

Pointgod wrote:Mark my words. Jimmy to take a buyout from the Heat this summer and go to the Suns for a vet min.

No chance. Jimmy only cares about money. It's the whole reason he demanded a trade in the first place.

Jimmy loves a lot of things and I think he's realizing that in order to fund them, he needs the most $$$ he can get. Im sure he cares about winning or basketball, but he does a lot of the court too. He's into wines, art, etc. He needs money
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Re: Jimmy Butler has blocked multiple trades that would’ve landed him on contending teams 

Post#97 » by Johnny Bball » Tue Feb 4, 2025 5:52 pm

Heat are going to say eff this and Kawhi the guy to the summer, then he can decide to look terrible taking the option at which point they wll suspend him all over again, or he can sign for peanuts where he wants to.

I would just take the hardest line here if I was the Heat. He's not giving you any realistic options.
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Re: Jimmy Butler only want the suns.... 

Post#98 » by tsherkin » Tue Feb 4, 2025 5:54 pm

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tsherkin wrote:I hope he gets locked out for the rest of the season at this point, because he's just being a dong.
Exactly!
I have no respect for Jimmy at this point.

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Yeah, he's just turned this into a whole circus and a half, and it's no good for anyone. And frankly, I have very little respect for players when they get into these farcical games while making $50 mil per year. I get that they're trying to get the best deal for themselves at some point, but's more than vaguely insulting to the fans who enable those salaries.
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Re: Jimmy Butler has blocked multiple trades that would’ve landed him on contending teams 

Post#99 » by BBallFreak » Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:02 pm

Pointgod wrote:
BBallFreak wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
Yeah kind of the best resolution if both parties can put away their egos and just move on.

He doesn't have a choice if we just cut him. He'd get a few extra bucks from us but he couldn't hold us hostage anymore.


Ahh so I see you’d be down to just waive him. I was thinking buy out so Jimmy gives up some money but yeah I guess waiving him works too for the Heat

I don't think he'd accept a buyout. If he does, he doesn't get his extension because there would no longer be bird rights. If he doesn't increase his list pretty quickly, he's going to get cut.
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Re: Jimmy Butler has blocked multiple trades that would’ve landed him on contending teams 

Post#100 » by bubbleball » Tue Feb 4, 2025 6:06 pm

Butler essentially only wants to go to the Suns (as I'm assuming that's the only team he knows will give him the deal he wants), and the player that's easiest to fit in that trade (Beal) happens to be one of two players in the entire league with a no-trade clause. We're caught between a rock and a hard place here.

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