2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2

[BoyzNTheHood]

If we end up dropping, I'd take a good luck at Derik Queen. Reminds me of Sengun a bit. kid is very skilled. Curious to how he ends up measuring at the combine.

https://youtu.be/25hK63ZCC0E?si=dPyX1aHi9u0vwzjV

A lot of people are comparing Dairy Queen to Sengun and I’m not seeing it. Sengun was clearly baby Jokic when he was coming out, the only question was level of competition and if he could do it against NBA players. To me, Queen looks like a less skilled, taller version of Kenny Lofton Jr.

He is listed as 3 inches taller than Lofton and looks like he had long arms. He has some of the best post moves I've seen in college. 83% ft% shows shooting upside. High IQ player who can do a bit of everything offensively. Is he develops an outside shot and is avg on D he's a very good NBA player.

I literally said he’s taller than Lofton. What are these moves you’re referring to? Show me a Sengun style move. He’s at best a decent 4 man in the league.

I’d much rather a guy like Danny Wolf who’s older but could become a unicorn if given the opportunity.

[Yallbecrazy]

Unless you have a C/PF putting up an 16+ bpm as an 18 year old you really can't say they are close to Sengun as a prospect.

[Yallbecrazy]

Unless you have a C/PF putting up an 16+ bpm as an 18 year old you really can't say they are close to Sengun as a prospect.

[Yallbecrazy]

Unless you have a C/PF putting up an 16+ bpm as an 18 year old you really can't say they are close to Sengun as a prospect.

[Psubs]

A lot of people are comparing Dairy Queen to Sengun and I’m not seeing it. Sengun was clearly baby Jokic when he was coming out, the only question was level of competition and if he could do it against NBA players. To me, Queen looks like a less skilled, taller version of Kenny Lofton Jr.

He is listed as 3 inches taller than Lofton and looks like he had long arms. He has some of the best post moves I've seen in college. 83% ft% shows shooting upside. High IQ player who can do a bit of everything offensively. Is he develops an outside shot and is avg on D he's a very good NBA player.

I literally said he’s taller than Lofton. What are these moves you’re referring to? Show me a Sengun style move. He’s at best a decent 4 man in the league.

I’d much rather a guy like Danny Wolf who’s older but could become a unicorn if given the opportunity.

Take a gamble on Alex Condon who is athletic and coordinated, just need more experience.

Condon's passing is so clean. He's like everything you think that Wolf and Hansen Yang could be as passing bigs, plus he's fit and athletic. Condon is probably the best passing big in this draft behind Egor Demin. Likely the best one 6'11 or taller.

I think he could be like the PF/C version of Nikola Jovic with good passing to take Poeltl's spot.

[Johnston]

A lot of people are comparing Dairy Queen to Sengun and I’m not seeing it. Sengun was clearly baby Jokic when he was coming out, the only question was level of competition and if he could do it against NBA players. To me, Queen looks like a less skilled, taller version of Kenny Lofton Jr.

He is listed as 3 inches taller than Lofton and looks like he had long arms. He has some of the best post moves I've seen in college. 83% ft% shows shooting upside. High IQ player who can do a bit of everything offensively. Is he develops an outside shot and is avg on D he's a very good NBA player.

I literally said he’s taller than Lofton. What are these moves you’re referring to? Show me a Sengun style move. He’s at best a decent 4 man in the league.

I’d much rather a guy like Danny Wolf who’s older but could become a unicorn if given the opportunity.

Do you want me to transcribe the video I posted?

[BoyzNTheHood]

He is listed as 3 inches taller than Lofton and looks like he had long arms. He has some of the best post moves I've seen in college. 83% ft% shows shooting upside. High IQ player who can do a bit of everything offensively. Is he develops an outside shot and is avg on D he's a very good NBA player.

I literally said he’s taller than Lofton. What are these moves you’re referring to? Show me a Sengun style move. He’s at best a decent 4 man in the league.

I’d much rather a guy like Danny Wolf who’s older but could become a unicorn if given the opportunity.

Do you want me to transcribe the video I posted?

Maybe you should re-watch it with glasses on instead.

[Johnston]

Unless you have a C/PF putting up an 16+ bpm as an 18 year old you really can't say they are close to Sengun as a prospect.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/alperen-sengun/

This was Sengun as a prospect. Ppl can say whatever they want in hindsight, but he was picked outside the lottery.

Just because you say a player is similar doesn't mean they are a lock. I'm not saying draft this guys, he is Sengun. He has a lot of Sengun in his game. Lots of guys just don't pan out obviously. Guys on this board are infatuated with low floor, high upside bigs.

[Johnston]

I literally said he’s taller than Lofton. What are these moves you’re referring to? Show me a Sengun style move. He’s at best a decent 4 man in the league.

I’d much rather a guy like Danny Wolf who’s older but could become a unicorn if given the opportunity.

Do you want me to transcribe the video I posted?

Maybe you should re-watch it with glasses on instead.

If you don't think he has very good post skills as a freshman idk what to tell you. Maybe start watching soccer?

[BoyzNTheHood]

Do you want me to transcribe the video I posted?

Maybe you should re-watch it with glasses on instead.

If you don't think he has very good post skills as a freshman idk what to tell you. Maybe start watching soccer?

Maybe don’t move the goal posts? Who said his skills weren’t good? I said he’s not Sengun. Don’t get lost so easily, try to keep the train on the tracks moving forward.

[Johnston]

Maybe you should re-watch it with glasses on instead.

If you don't think he has very good post skills as a freshman idk what to tell you. Maybe start watching soccer?

Maybe don’t move the goal posts? Who said his skills weren’t good? I said he’s not Sengun. Don’t get lost so easily, try to keep the train on the tracks moving forward.

You compared him to a 6'6 obese player out of the NBA.

[BoyzNTheHood]

If you don't think he has very good post skills as a freshman idk what to tell you. Maybe start watching soccer?

Maybe don’t move the goal posts? Who said his skills weren’t good? I said he’s not Sengun. Don’t get lost so easily, try to keep the train on the tracks moving forward.

You compared him to a 6'6 obese player out of the NBA.

I clearly said he’s a taller version of Kenny Lofton. Reading comprehension is crucial on these forums.

[RoteSchroder]

A lot of people are comparing Dairy Queen to Sengun and I’m not seeing it. Sengun was clearly baby Jokic when he was coming out, the only question was level of competition and if he could do it against NBA players. To me, Queen looks like a less skilled, taller version of Kenny Lofton Jr.

He is listed as 3 inches taller than Lofton and looks like he had long arms. He has some of the best post moves I've seen in college. 83% ft% shows shooting upside. High IQ player who can do a bit of everything offensively. Is he develops an outside shot and is avg on D he's a very good NBA player.

I literally said he’s taller than Lofton. What are these moves you’re referring to? Show me a Sengun style move. He’s at best a decent 4 man in the league.

I’d much rather a guy like Danny Wolf who’s older but could become a unicorn if given the opportunity.

Not sure Queen is mobile enough to be a plus defender at 4..that position is now filled with players like Tatum, Giannis, Scottie, LBJ, Durant, OG, Siakam, JJJr, Christian Braun, Harrison Barnes, etc. Lots of mobility there.

And he's likely at a height/length disadvantage against over half the starting C's in the league.

On offense, he doesn't look special at all. His bag is well-rounded, but looks fairly basic.

[BoyzNTheHood]

He is listed as 3 inches taller than Lofton and looks like he had long arms. He has some of the best post moves I've seen in college. 83% ft% shows shooting upside. High IQ player who can do a bit of everything offensively. Is he develops an outside shot and is avg on D he's a very good NBA player.

I literally said he’s taller than Lofton. What are these moves you’re referring to? Show me a Sengun style move. He’s at best a decent 4 man in the league.

I’d much rather a guy like Danny Wolf who’s older but could become a unicorn if given the opportunity.

Not sure Queen is mobile enough to be a plus defender at 4..that position is now filled with players like Tatum, Giannis, Scottie, LBJ, Durant, OG, Siakam, JJJr, Christian Braun, Harrison Barnes, etc. Lots of mobility there.

And he's likely at a height/length disadvantage against over half the starting C's in the league.

On offense, he doesn't look special at all. His bag is well-rounded, but looks fairly basic.

I agree, it’s just like you said, probably too big for the 4 and too small for the 5. Skilled, but probably limited against NBA athletes.

[earthtone]

I literally said he’s taller than Lofton. What are these moves you’re referring to? Show me a Sengun style move. He’s at best a decent 4 man in the league.

I’d much rather a guy like Danny Wolf who’s older but could become a unicorn if given the opportunity.

Not sure Queen is mobile enough to be a plus defender at 4..that position is now filled with players like Tatum, Giannis, Scottie, LBJ, Durant, OG, Siakam, JJJr, Christian Braun, Harrison Barnes, etc. Lots of mobility there.

And he's likely at a height/length disadvantage against over half the starting C's in the league.

On offense, he doesn't look special at all. His bag is well-rounded, but looks fairly basic.

I agree, it’s just like you said, probably too big for the 4 and too small for the 5. Skilled, but probably limited against NBA athletes.

It's funny because that's the exact reason Sengun fell out of the lottery, but apparently they're not comparable

[BoyzNTheHood]

Not sure Queen is mobile enough to be a plus defender at 4..that position is now filled with players like Tatum, Giannis, Scottie, LBJ, Durant, OG, Siakam, JJJr, Christian Braun, Harrison Barnes, etc. Lots of mobility there.

And he's likely at a height/length disadvantage against over half the starting C's in the league.

On offense, he doesn't look special at all. His bag is well-rounded, but looks fairly basic.

I agree, it’s just like you said, probably too big for the 4 and too small for the 5. Skilled, but probably limited against NBA athletes.

It's funny because that's the exact reason Sengun fell out of the lottery, but apparently they're not comparable

It’s actually not, but I guess go with whatever fits your narrative.

[RoteSchroder]

Not sure Queen is mobile enough to be a plus defender at 4..that position is now filled with players like Tatum, Giannis, Scottie, LBJ, Durant, OG, Siakam, JJJr, Christian Braun, Harrison Barnes, etc. Lots of mobility there.

And he's likely at a height/length disadvantage against over half the starting C's in the league.

On offense, he doesn't look special at all. His bag is well-rounded, but looks fairly basic.

I agree, it’s just like you said, probably too big for the 4 and too small for the 5. Skilled, but probably limited against NBA athletes.

It's funny because that's the exact reason Sengun fell out of the lottery, but apparently they're not comparable

Sengun had a TS% of 70.9% against grown men.

Comparatively, Derik Queen is at 58.5 TS%.

CMB is at 61.5 and 62.5 TS% in his freshman/sophomore year.
Evan Mobley, 62.4%
Embiid, 65.5%
Zion, 70.2%
Sabonis, 67.5%, 65.4%

There seems to be a major lack of evidence for an elite post game, both in terms of having zero Jokic/Sengun/Sabonis-esque highlights and an ok, but not elite efficiency.

[Yallbecrazy]

I agree, it’s just like you said, probably too big for the 4 and too small for the 5. Skilled, but probably limited against NBA athletes.

It's funny because that's the exact reason Sengun fell out of the lottery, but apparently they're not comparable

Sengun had a TS% of 70.9% against grown men.

Comparatively, Derik Queen is at 58.5 TS%.

CMB is at 61.5 and 62.5 TS% in his freshman/sophomore year.
Evan Mobley, 62.4%
Embiid, 65.5%
Zion, 70.2%
Sabonis, 67.5%, 65.4%

There seems to be a major lack of evidence for an elite post game, both in terms of having zero Jokic/Sengun/Sabonis-esque highlights and an ok, but not elite efficiency.

Sengun is a very poor archetype, but he can score out of the post at an efficient level even vs bigger guys since he has all time great post moves / footwork (probably better than Hakeem and Jokic, but being shorter they aren't as effective) and he can punish double teams because he also has an incredible bbiq/ is an elite passer so he's very tough to defend.

If he put up similar numbers as an athletic wing/ shot blocking 7'0 centre you have a prospect that was on a Lebron/ Luka level. He's a poor archetype for the NBA, but so elite at it that he's a low end allstar player overall.

I always like players that can score in the post and pass it out as you need both of those to be effective in the NBA and can be effective with those 2 skills working in tandem. Problem is, you have to be exceptional at them if you're on the smaller side to be a very good player if you're not athletic enough to be a really good defender. I like Queen's skill and bbiq, I just worry it's not elite enough to overcome his other deficiencies.

Sengun is athletic in that he's ultra coordinated and flexible, but his standing reach is terrible and he is lateral quicks are terrible too. He makes up for it by having elite bbiq and quick hands so he is a really good help defender, but kind of hopeless at defending his guy one on one. He ends up being a really good defender overall when he can guard a non shooter on the perimeter and then help off them to protect the rim so is often utilized that way, but can be picked on if you can get him guarding a playmaking guard /wing.

[Psubs]

He is listed as 3 inches taller than Lofton and looks like he had long arms. He has some of the best post moves I've seen in college. 83% ft% shows shooting upside. High IQ player who can do a bit of everything offensively. Is he develops an outside shot and is avg on D he's a very good NBA player.

I literally said he’s taller than Lofton. What are these moves you’re referring to? Show me a Sengun style move. He’s at best a decent 4 man in the league.

I’d much rather a guy like Danny Wolf who’s older but could become a unicorn if given the opportunity.

Take a gamble on Alex Condon who is athletic and coordinated, just need more experience.

Condon's passing is so clean. He's like everything you think that Wolf and Hansen Yang could be as passing bigs, plus he's fit and athletic. Condon is probably the best passing big in this draft behind Egor Demin. Likely the best one 6'11 or taller.

I think he could be like the PF/C version of Nikola Jovic with good passing to take Poeltl's spot.

Oh, Condon had a so so last game but played tonight and was good vs Vanderbilt.

19 pts (7 for 11), 9 rebs, 4 ast (0 tos), 2 blks (1 foul).

For someone that picked up organized basketball late he is a quick learner.

I found a comp for Alex Condon, Santi Aldama with more blocks. Maybe a mix of Aldama and Bitadze?

I don't think I saw Santi Aldama on any mocks and Memphis took him #30.

[Psubs]

So Oklahoma did play #1 Auburn, but Fears went 1 for 7 with 2 assists and 5 turnovers.

He's at best a combo-guard if not strictly an undersized SG that shoots 27.4% from the college 3.

He's a DND for me because I can't see how he would be better than Jakobe Walter.

I guess because he'll be a year younger than other freshman, that he'll get better.