2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III

[lilfishi22]

I mean I can get on board for firing Jones but who replaces him?

Whoever it might be need to have a vision of building a team holistically, not just via throwing money at FA, not just by making trades for disgruntled and/or older stars but also through the draft and through shrewd trades to acquire draft capital.

But I think the most important quality in my view would be their ability manage Ishbia. Ishbia will always have the last say as he's the owner but this GM needs to be able to manage him so that Ishbia isn't being GM but just approving the GM's decisions. Ishbia needs to believe it is what he would've done even if there's no GM

[bwgood77]

He would be my hero too! SAving the Suns and Ishbia from themseles
I would actually want Beal traded - if possible - if there is backlash that "god forbid the Suns didn't trade 3 FRPs to get Jimmy Butler!!!!"

Not sure he would be deserving of the backlash

Not criticizing, just curious...

What is the specific reason that Butler would be such a non-starter at this point? Is it just Butler himself, not into bringing the chaos?

I ask because they already dealt their '31 1st, so that lifeline has been let go. Even without him, they've already signed up for one more potential year in the wilderness. If they dont end up with Butler, those picks they got arent exactly looking like good ones and I'd be shocked if they didnt get dealt anyway. It seems like its either trade them for Jimmy or trade them for some lower end rotation pieces. Do you prefer that route over Butler?

Or are you thinking if they dont get Jimmy then they still might start a retool/rebuild this summer?

Like I said Im not even necessarily disagreeing with you, just asking.

Fair question. I don't think Butler is enough of a difference maker at this time of his career to totally screw your future for maybe getting to the second round. If you use all three picks and this will be the best shot as look at the West - its only getting tougher: OKC, Memphis, Houston, now the Spurs, the Lakers with Luka - all have better futures

I would say the Mavericks if Davis is healthy, are better than the Suns, Denver this year, better than the Suns. The Suns might be better than the Spurs this year - but not next year. Teams like Twolves are there too.

So why are you giving up your total future for the second round at best this year and nothing in teh future as Butler ages, Durant ages, the roster can't get better as they are over the second apron

But, you bring up the 2031 - and like GoK and Slim, to me, if you start the rebuild now, with those three picks, plus what you can get for Durant, Booker, Allen - that 2031 might be less valuable

If they don't trade for Butler but make a smaller move with Nurkic or Allen, see how it goes and assess - this summer, thats fine

But going all in for a guy who truly (by the media reports) doesn't care about winning and just cashing another check - to me is a long term bad move. He is turning down the Grizzlies who have a FAR better chance of winning a title than Phoenix does. FAR BETTER! As if the Butler experiment fails - this will be 10 years of terrible basketball with no future as they have no picks and aging players

If you start the rebuild now, using those three FRPs for the 2031, getting other picks from other trades, getting under the apron where you can make real trades and not your garbage for my garbage and lets hope it pans out...I think will be a better path to a title

And are you playing for the playoffs or are you playing for a title?

Another thing is, Jones has been pretty good with late picks (Camara, Dunn, etc) and the Johnson pick was good. Maybe if we kept them he could make good picks. Sucks losing that 31 1st.

I had a daydream that we missed the playoffs either losing in the play in or barely missing it and had like the 10th best odds and won the lottery, and Houston ended up with Cooper Flagg so our KD trade was Flagg, Bridges, Cam, Jae, 3 unprotected first and an unprotected swap. That daydream sucked.

[BobbieL]

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Wiggins and Kuminga are ok! But I'd almost rather have those post 27 and beyond Warriors picks and a couple of their younger players/ salary fillers instead.

I'm not sure about the trade but it would be funny if Butler said he wouldn't extend with the Warriors because he wanted to play with KD in Phx and GS got KD and Phoenix changed course and Butler was kind of screwed. Of course he'd end up somewhere in that scenario, maybe Memphis which probably would give him the best chance to win anyway.

I still don’t get why he doesn’t want Memphis

[BobbieL]

I mean I can get on board for firing Jones but who replaces him?

Whoever it might be need to have a vision of building a team holistically, not just via throwing money at FA, not just by making trades for disgruntled and/or older stars but also through the draft and through shrewd trades to acquire draft capital.

But I think the most important quality in my view would be their ability manage Ishbia. Ishbia will always have the last say as he's the owner but this GM needs to be able to manage him so that Ishbia isn't being GM but just approving the GM's decisions. Ishbia needs to believe it is what he would've done even if there's no GM

Does Sam Presti have a protege?

But you are right - ishbia would have to be managed

[bwgood77]

OK, I can't believe I just had to read 9 pages. I finally stopped responding because I figured there must be so many pages because there was a big trade for us, so I'll just read the rest first.

Because nothing made sense.

So, finally, after reading through all the pages, it's good to know that I learned

[Qwigglez]

I don't think it's possible to get both Draymond and Jimmy Butler, so this doesn't seem realistic unless both Beal and KD are traded.

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[Slim Charless]

I don't think it's possible to get both Draymond and Jimmy Butler, so this doesn't seem realistic unless both Beal and KD are traded.

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I mean maybe it for KD as he and Draymond have issues and he doesn't wanna go there if Dray is still there?

As far as Ishbia is concerned, getting a MSU player will make him feel better about missing out on Jimmy....

[TeamTragic]

Trading KD to facilitate Butler?

Absolute garbage FUD.

[KdoubleDees23]

Rumor is

Jonas V and Nurkic swap

[SunsRback4Good]

If Suns acquire Butler and Draymond but lose Beal and KD does that make us title favorites again?

Jones, Booker, Butler, Draymond, Valentuinus is a nasty starting lineup.

[Slim Charless]

Trading KD to facilitate Butler?

Absolute garbage FUD.

Idk.....

If we can get Butler and Kuminga and a pick out of the deal that's a good return. We'd have Jimmy for the now and Kuminga to pair with Booker and Dunn for the future. Plus, this means we're keeping those 3 FRPs we got, plus getting another to boot.

[grumpysaddle]

I just want Mikal and CamJo back for the vibes, man.

At least Mikal is on my second team.

[TeamTragic]

Rumor is

Jonas V and Nurkic swap

Gambo said we are not interested in Val.

[garrick]

Suns are going to take this to the deadline for better or worse. They need to signal to Jimmy this ain’t happening so those both the Heat and Jimmy can agree to move on. Will be so last minute at this rate. Things getting real interesting

Suns don't owe Jimmy Butler, the Heat or anybody jack squat

Butler is the reason Butler hasn't been traded.

Reason Butler hasn’t been traded is because someone through back door channels has signaled to Jimmy to do everything he can to get to you guys. The Suns ownership group has to be steering this ship but Beal holds all the cards and the Heat for very good reasons can’t be saddled with Beal’s contract. Someone must know that Beal has agreed to waive his NTC for Miami but Miami refuses.

This would be tampering and lets hope Ishbia is not stupid enough to get caught a second time. lol

I think the only reason Butler wants Phoenix is that Ishbia through back channels has promised Butler that he will be extended while other teams are looking at him as a short term rental and possibly extending him with an affordable deal. Butler knows this is his final chance to land a big paycheck and is not motivated by winning this late in his career.

The warning signs are all over this potential deal and mark my words Jimmy will be completely checked out after this season and ready to retire.

[sunsbum]

I mean I can get on board for firing Jones but who replaces him?

Nah jones is fine. His drafts have been on point and his hands are tied in different ways with previous owners.

[KdoubleDees23]

Rumor is

Jonas V and Nurkic swap

Gambo said we are not interested in Val.

Good thing gambo sucks at his job

[BobbieL]

I don't think it's possible to get both Draymond and Jimmy Butler, so this doesn't seem realistic unless both Beal and KD are traded.

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I mean maybe it for KD as he and Draymond have issues and he doesn't wanna go there if Dray is still there?

As far as Ishbia is concerned, getting a MSU player will make him feel better about missing out on Jimmy....

Amico is not right very often

This would make no sense

[TeamTragic]

Rumor is

Jonas V and Nurkic swap

Gambo said we are not interested in Val.

Good thing gambo sucks at his job

Better than Sidery.

[sunsbum]

At least gambo doesn’t put out bull for a month straight like these other Twitter heroes. It’s so obvious they use this time to gain followers and clicks. Anything that even remotely crosses their radar that makes sense turns into buzzy regurgitated Twitter trash.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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