Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV

[kg01]

I don’t know that they’re trying to sell at all then?

That you’re a playin level team with 5-6 seed ultimate aspirations?

Seats stay full and they get a 'playoff appearance'. Heck, they may even get a home playoff game.

For them, that's a financial win.

That's what they're selling, friend. They're not trying to compete. There, you've seen behind the curtain.

Yes I know that’s what they’re happy with, but what are they trying to sell the fans? Both casuals and fanatics?

You’d think they want to reset before they have to sell some other crap that won’t sell when Trae asks out, gets injured, or is exposed further and you gift multiple top 10 picks to another team while being borderline unwatchable for a 5 season + span.

You're pointing out the fallacy of what they're doing. They're not selling the fans on anything. Fair or unfair, Trae is enough to make Hawks games an 'event' in this town. And when things go sour, they're content with letting him take all the slings and arrows from opposing fans, media, the league, etc.

They DGAF about losing fans. They'll cross that bridge if/when it comes (via Trae trade request). They're not gonna bring the bridge to themselves.

Atlanta is not a place that will handle a rebuild well. They'll just forget the franchise exists.

[jayu70]

To me the loser mentality is being afraid to admit a mistake, doubling down on bad money, and then throwing up your arms saying, “Whoa is me! Look at our bad luck!”, to fans when the wheels come off this thing and like my team, you gift the next Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum to another team years in succession.

The loser mentality is to continue making additional bad moves to try and save face, by remaining at least good enough to “only” give away picks in the late lotto too late teens.

They've already admitted the mistake of trading for Murray by trading him and recouping some value. Don't compound that mistake by making an even bigger one in quick succession br being obsessed with picks back.

To me many have an obsession with treating draft picks as 50/50 tickets at a church Italian feast raffle.

I’m not sure how it’s compounding the problem if it opens up your entire future for a player who clearly cannot be the best guy on a contender, but is so important and a bad team floor raiser where just missing a month or two with a high ankle sprain and a couple small nagging things will mean someone is getting your unprotected lottery picks.

And where do you think players like Trae and better come from, 2K Create-A-Player?

All players of worth essentially come from the draft, a vast majority of plus level starters to All Stars, to franchise cornerstones and actual generational franchise level players come from the top half of the draft, more than half of the latter 3 from the lottery.

And with the new CBA salary implications being more important than ever, and finally ‘25 and ‘26 drafts are slated to be excellent overall, having production out of rookie scale contracts and control over their second deal is paramount.

Idk man, I get your FO not wanting to do this, but as a fan I’d be overwhelmingly thrilled for a move like that if available.

As a fan of another team, you can say that - you haven't been a Hawks fan - I've seen enough continual rebuilds and circling the wagons.

[kg01]

They've already admitted the mistake of trading for Murray by trading him and recouping some value. Don't compound that mistake by making an even bigger one in quick succession br being obsessed with picks back.

To me many have an obsession with treating draft picks as 50/50 tickets at a church Italian feast raffle.

I’m not sure how it’s compounding the problem if it opens up your entire future for a player who clearly cannot be the best guy on a contender, but is so important and a bad team floor raiser where just missing a month or two with a high ankle sprain and a couple small nagging things will mean someone is getting your unprotected lottery picks.

And where do you think players like Trae and better come from, 2K Create-A-Player?

All players of worth essentially come from the draft, a vast majority of plus level starters to All Stars, to franchise cornerstones and actual generational franchise level players come from the top half of the draft, more than half of the latter 3 from the lottery.

And with the new CBA salary implications being more important than ever, and finally ‘25 and ‘26 drafts are slated to be excellent overall, having production out of rookie scale contracts and control over their second deal is paramount.

Idk man, I get your FO not wanting to do this, but as a fan I’d be overwhelmingly thrilled for a move like that if available.

As a fan of another team, you can say that - you haven't been a Hawks fan - I've seen enough continual rebuilds and circling the wagons.

Facts. As an example, I have no emotional attachment to the Pelicans so it seemed like a great idea to me to trade zion and start over.

[vincecarter4pres]

They've already admitted the mistake of trading for Murray by trading him and recouping some value. Don't compound that mistake by making an even bigger one in quick succession br being obsessed with picks back.

To me many have an obsession with treating draft picks as 50/50 tickets at a church Italian feast raffle.

I’m not sure how it’s compounding the problem if it opens up your entire future for a player who clearly cannot be the best guy on a contender, but is so important and a bad team floor raiser where just missing a month or two with a high ankle sprain and a couple small nagging things will mean someone is getting your unprotected lottery picks.

And where do you think players like Trae and better come from, 2K Create-A-Player?

All players of worth essentially come from the draft, a vast majority of plus level starters to All Stars, to franchise cornerstones and actual generational franchise level players come from the top half of the draft, more than half of the latter 3 from the lottery.

And with the new CBA salary implications being more important than ever, and finally ‘25 and ‘26 drafts are slated to be excellent overall, having production out of rookie scale contracts and control over their second deal is paramount.

Idk man, I get your FO not wanting to do this, but as a fan I’d be overwhelmingly thrilled for a move like that if available.

As a fan of another team, you can say that - you haven't been a Hawks fan - I've seen enough continual rebuilds and circling the wagons.

I am a Nets fan, I’ve seen some things man, and some stuff.

[vincecarter4pres]

To me many have an obsession with treating draft picks as 50/50 tickets at a church Italian feast raffle.

I’m not sure how it’s compounding the problem if it opens up your entire future for a player who clearly cannot be the best guy on a contender, but is so important and a bad team floor raiser where just missing a month or two with a high ankle sprain and a couple small nagging things will mean someone is getting your unprotected lottery picks.

And where do you think players like Trae and better come from, 2K Create-A-Player?

All players of worth essentially come from the draft, a vast majority of plus level starters to All Stars, to franchise cornerstones and actual generational franchise level players come from the top half of the draft, more than half of the latter 3 from the lottery.

And with the new CBA salary implications being more important than ever, and finally ‘25 and ‘26 drafts are slated to be excellent overall, having production out of rookie scale contracts and control over their second deal is paramount.

Idk man, I get your FO not wanting to do this, but as a fan I’d be overwhelmingly thrilled for a move like that if available.

As a fan of another team, you can say that - you haven't been a Hawks fan - I've seen enough continual rebuilds and circling the wagons.

Facts. As an example, I have no emotional attachment to the Pelicans so it seemed like a great idea to me to trade zion and start over.

Speaking as if I was a Pels fan, I’d still want to trade Zion, at least as long as the return was solid.

[kg01]

As a fan of another team, you can say that - you haven't been a Hawks fan - I've seen enough continual rebuilds and circling the wagons.

Facts. As an example, I have no emotional attachment to the Pelicans so it seemed like a great idea to me to trade zion and start over.

Speaking as if I was a Pels fan, I’d still want to trade Zion, at least as long as the return was solid.

Trading your star or offensive engine isn't a 'plan'. It's what you do to recover after failing via your star asking out.

[vincecarter4pres]

Facts. As an example, I have no emotional attachment to the Pelicans so it seemed like a great idea to me to trade zion and start over.

Speaking as if I was a Pels fan, I’d still want to trade Zion, at least as long as the return was solid.

Trading your star or offensive engine isn't a 'plan'. It's what you do to recover after failing via your star asking out.

We have yet to see him be a star. He’s a guy who’s shown glimpses and eaten his weight in beignets and hookers and missed immense time, while treating his amazing opportunity as a joke.

If you can grab some interesting unprotected picks and salary relief for him and reset beginning with this draft, you can hope to be a powerhouse in 3 or 4 seasons max.

To me his upside is overshadowed by all the questions and likelihood he amounts to little but occasional highlight reels.

[HMFFL]

Per Windhorst - "Keep an eye on the Atlanta Hawks. They just lost their star wing Jalen Johnson for the season. They may start to get interested in making a move, especially for Brandon Ingram"

I guess it all depends on what exactly the cost would be.

Ingram has been out since December 8th, 2024.
So we are trading for an injured player to replace the one we just lost to injury? And even more injury prone player?
Then what is the plan for next season as he is an UFA?

Is the high ankle sprain (4-6 week injury) that bad, or is it a situation of milking it for both NO and him?

Depending on what we give up, it might be a "we didn't give much to get him, so if he walks it isn't that big of an issue". Bogi+Clint for Ingram+Theis works salary wise.

Milking.
Clutch sat him out.
Ingram is an absolute joke and he quit on New Orleans years ago.

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[Geaux_Hawks]

They've already admitted the mistake of trading for Murray by trading him and recouping some value. Don't compound that mistake by making an even bigger one in quick succession br being obsessed with picks back.

To me many have an obsession with treating draft picks as 50/50 tickets at a church Italian feast raffle.

I’m not sure how it’s compounding the problem if it opens up your entire future for a player who clearly cannot be the best guy on a contender, but is so important and a bad team floor raiser where just missing a month or two with a high ankle sprain and a couple small nagging things will mean someone is getting your unprotected lottery picks.

And where do you think players like Trae and better come from, 2K Create-A-Player?

All players of worth essentially come from the draft, a vast majority of plus level starters to All Stars, to franchise cornerstones and actual generational franchise level players come from the top half of the draft, more than half of the latter 3 from the lottery.

And with the new CBA salary implications being more important than ever, and finally ‘25 and ‘26 drafts are slated to be excellent overall, having production out of rookie scale contracts and control over their second deal is paramount.

Idk man, I get your FO not wanting to do this, but as a fan I’d be overwhelmingly thrilled for a move like that if available.

As a fan of another team, you can say that - you haven't been a Hawks fan - I've seen enough continual rebuilds and circling the wagons.

Demarr Johnson
Gasol Trade
Josh Childress
Marvin Williams
Sheldon Williams

The 2000's rebuild is a constant reminder of how important it is to draft and retain stars. Just no guarantee that we'll end up with the picks necessary to make a quick turnaround. Just ask Detroit who has picked 5th for three straight years. We can even look to our own draft pick, where we ended up picking 3rd overall in 2007 and missed out on KD/Oden. Horford was a good player, but the star was in the top 2 picks.

[HMFFL]

Hawks, Warriors have expressed interest in Paul George

But so far, the trio has been the league’s big incomplete, playing a total of only 10 games together. And sources tell The Inquirer that the Atlanta Hawks and Golden State Warriors have expressed interest in acquiring George ahead of Thursday’s 3 p.m. trade deadline.

 

– via The Philadelphia Inquirer

It's a purchase to read link.

I saw this on hoopshype.

https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/sixers-paul-george-nba-trade-deadline-atlanta-hawks-golden-state-warriors-20250203.html

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[D21]

I never trusted Ressler from the day 1, even more after his front office has really shown incompetence, and sadly, I'm to the point that I don't know if I hope a good trade that would make the team improve a bit, or if I would prefer a "funnier" thing like seeing them make another stupid trade like the one for Murray, in the hope that Ressler would then sell the team before a decrease in value after failing several times to improve the team

[tbhawksfan1]

If they brought in BI, they would have to let him walk. Can't pay him

[jayu70]

If they brought in BI, they would have to let him walk. Can't pay him

And I think they are ok with that. A BI trade is to clear salary off next season's books.

[tbhawksfan1]

If they brought in BI, they would have to let him walk. Can't pay him

And I think they are ok with that. A BI trade is to clear salary off next season's books.

I think so too. Win more this season and keep max salary for offseason moves

[tbhawksfan1]

If they brought in BI, they would have to let him walk. Can't pay him

And I think they are ok with that. A BI trade is to clear salary off next season's books.

I think so too. Win more this season and keep max salary for offseason moves

Don't give picks though

[HMFFL]

Nikola Vucevic trade interest



The Bulls have held out hope for a first-round pick for Vucevic but may have to settle for multiple second-round picks if they move him ahead of the deadline in the eyes of NBA executives who spoke with HoopsHype.

The 34-year-old center is having an efficient season, averaging 19.9 points on 55.1 percent shooting from the field and 40.1 percent from beyond the arc, 10.4 rebounds, and 3.6 assists.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-intel-lonzo-ball-nikola-vucevic-brandon-ingram-trade-talks-lakers-warriors-knicks-etc/


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[D21]

I would avoid Ingram, but they certainly have an idea of giving him big playing time (with all the injuries they got) and responsibilities the next months to make him shine, and do a sign-&-trade this summer, but Ingram would still the choice to sign directly with another team.

Anyway, they should try to get Lonzo with the hope to re-sign him for less than his actual 20M, at least we would get a good backup PG with great defense.
And get one center who can shoot 3s after all these years without one while almost all NBA champions had one these last years.
Maybe this FO never thought about it, and would not see if one was falling from a tree just in front of them

[HMFFL]

I would avoid Ingram, but they certainly have an idea of giving him big playing time (with all the injuries they got) and responsibilities the next months to make him shine, and do a sign-&-trade this summer, but Ingram would still the choice to sign directly with another team.

Anyway, they should try to get Lonzo with the hope to re-sign him for less than his actual 20M, at least we would get a good backup PG with great defense.
And get one center who can shoot 3s after all these years without one while almost all NBA champions had one these last years.
Maybe this FO never thought about it, and would not see if one was falling from a tree just in front of them

Having two pount guards that shoot 40% from the field doesn't make sense. Lonzo is shooting 36% from the field this season.



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[D21]

Having two pount guards that shoot 40% from the field doesn't make sense. Lonzo is shooting 36% from the field this season.

Don't forget that he came back from 3 years without playing.
Just checking the splits shows that in January, he almost took 3pts shots only, and hit them at 37% (and 86% FTs), which is better than a lot of ATL players who are not coming back from big injuries

Yes, it would be a bit of a gamble, and it would need to re-sign him for less than his actual salary, but there are some positive points
The moment Trae is on the bench, you can play Ball + Dyson + Risacher and certainly put some great defensive pressure

[Jamaaliver]

Having two pount guards that shoot 40% from the field doesn't make sense. Lonzo is shooting 36% from the field this season.

Don't forget that he came back from 3 years without playing.

Yes, it would be a bit of a gamble, and it would need to re-sign him for less than his actual salary, but there are some positive points
The moment Trae is on the bench, you can play Ball + Dyson + Risacher and certainly put some great defensive pressure

I don't have any thoughts right now on Lonzo Ball fitting onto the roster.

But the dude was pretty dismissive of the Hawks Franchise last summer after we won the draft lottery.

Not a dealbreaker, but potentially polarizing sentiment to have floating around the ether...

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mlBM8v6d6A0