Around the NBA (Part Two)

[guest81]

On the bill simmons podcast apparently there was more coming to the Mavs but the Lakers talked them down. Insanity

[guest81]

Who do you want him taking minutes from?

I want a credible, reliable PG in case Mike goes down. MacLaughlin is better than Dillingham this year, especially since he has had so much experience playing with so many of the Wolves. The less PG responsibilities Ant has this year, the better.

I agree, and there's a chance after all the smoke clears they just cut him.
For the immediate future we badly need big man help though.

Im pretty sure as a second apron team the wolves can't sign a buyout guy

[Klomp]

I want a credible, reliable PG in case Mike goes down. MacLaughlin is better than Dillingham this year, especially since he has had so much experience playing with so many of the Wolves. The less PG responsibilities Ant has this year, the better.

I agree, and there's a chance after all the smoke clears they just cut him.
For the immediate future we badly need big man help though.

Im pretty sure as a second apron team the wolves can't sign a buyout guy

I believe that's only buyouts over a certain dollar amount, not all of them. McLaughlin would be available in that case.

[guest81]

I agree, and there's a chance after all the smoke clears they just cut him.
For the immediate future we badly need big man help though.

Im pretty sure as a second apron team the wolves can't sign a buyout guy

I believe that's only buyouts over a certain dollar amount, not all of them. McLaughlin would be available in that case.

Second apron is so dumb

[BlacJacMac]

I want a credible, reliable PG in case Mike goes down. MacLaughlin is better than Dillingham this year, especially since he has had so much experience playing with so many of the Wolves. The less PG responsibilities Ant has this year, the better.

I agree, and there's a chance after all the smoke clears they just cut him.
For the immediate future we badly need big man help though.

Im pretty sure as a second apron team the wolves can't sign a buyout guy

Its actually 1st apron. And its that you can't sign anyone bought out that was making more than the MLE.

[Guest84]

Are all these trades "really" just a result of the CBA apron restrictions??

There's been a push for NY and LA to get big name stars on those teams. Then boom, Towns to NY for basically nothing and now Luka for basically nothing. Yeah AD is a good player but there's no way they got anything near equal value for Luka. They also didn't "shop" him for the best value.

This wreaks of an under the table deal to get LA a successor for the years after LBJ. The NBA might as well come out and admit they're just like the WWE. There's a cover up going on regarding this.

That's quite the conspiracy theory. I get why it's out there, but I just don't think it has any legs to it.

Idk, this just seems real shady and has all the makings of a backroom type of deal. Keep in mind it's a global business now and they want to continue that. Especially with them wanting to potentially add games globally.

Why not have a "global" star in a larger market (LA) to help build that audience base in the coming years??

There's also this news of both AD and Luka recently buying houses in their current cities prior to make it seem like they were there for the long run. Not sure that matters but it is a detail that "media outlets" are running currently. Why? Idk

Just a real shady trade...

[BlacJacMac]

A "fun" comment from Canis:

It's just a matter of time before there's a swap of two impending supermax players, so the teams can keep the price down. I.e. here comes the Banchero-Holmgren trade saving each team $117M.

[younggunsmn]

This does not happen without owner approval. A side deal was reached between owners that had nothing to do with basketball. Nothing else makes sense.

What do you mean by, "A side deal was reached between owners"?

In order to justify a trade that cannot be justified you must look beyond the game. Owners have business interests beyond basketball. The Mavs new ownership group runs Vegas Casinos and probably has fingers in other pies. If the Lakers do well that makes money for sports books (more people bet on the Lakers than the Mavs,) so maybe the Mavs ownership gets a payoff from sports books and/or the Lakers ownership does something (I have no idea what,) for the Mavs ownerships business interests, and presto, the terrible and inexplicable trade happens. If you disagree, then please explain why only the Lakers were allowed to bid on Luka, and only one pick transferred from LAL to Dallas?

I mean if you want to go further down that rabbit hole you can speculate on who blackmailed Mark Cuban, one of the most passionate owners in all of sports, who is not in any sort of financial predicament, into selling a controlling stake in the Mavericks, who were pretty much his baby.

Guy goes from outspoken and independent tech bro in a T shirt and Jeans to selling his team and going on a political simping tour cosplaying as Rachel Maddow during which he looked absolutely miserable.

Something really doesn't add up there.
There was more to that Kevin Spacey-esque front office scandal they had a few years ago than was ever released to the public.

Nico Harrison wasn't just making an unforgivable trade, he's been an Adam Silver plant from the beginning.

[winforlose]

What do you mean by, "A side deal was reached between owners"?

In order to justify a trade that cannot be justified you must look beyond the game. Owners have business interests beyond basketball. The Mavs new ownership group runs Vegas Casinos and probably has fingers in other pies. If the Lakers do well that makes money for sports books (more people bet on the Lakers than the Mavs,) so maybe the Mavs ownership gets a payoff from sports books and/or the Lakers ownership does something (I have no idea what,) for the Mavs ownerships business interests, and presto, the terrible and inexplicable trade happens. If you disagree, then please explain why only the Lakers were allowed to bid on Luka, and only one pick transferred from LAL to Dallas?

I mean if you want to go further down that rabbit hole you can speculate on who blackmailed Cuban, one of the most passionate owners in all of sports who is not in any sort of financial predicament, into selling the Mavericks, who were pretty much his baby.

Guy goes from outspoken and independent tech bro in a T shirt and Jeans to selling his team and going on a political simping tour cosplaying as Rachel Maddow.

Something really doesn't add up there.
There was more to that Kevin Spacey esque front office scandal they had than was ever released to the public.

Nico Harrison wasn't just making a dumb trade, he's been an Adam Silver plant from the beginning.

I see what you did there . So I will ask you to help me out with something. Please show me an example, literally any example in any major sport, of a top 5 talent being traded in a closed negotiation. Literally only accepting offers from a single team. Show me that and we can talk.

[BlacJacMac]

CBS Sports:

The last nine months represented a real chance for the Bulls to reset and build this thing properly. In that span, they failed to net a single first-round pick for Caruso, DeRozan or LaVine aside from one they could've kept by simply losing more games.

[TimberKat]

In order to justify a trade that cannot be justified you must look beyond the game. Owners have business interests beyond basketball. The Mavs new ownership group runs Vegas Casinos and probably has fingers in other pies. If the Lakers do well that makes money for sports books (more people bet on the Lakers than the Mavs,) so maybe the Mavs ownership gets a payoff from sports books and/or the Lakers ownership does something (I have no idea what,) for the Mavs ownerships business interests, and presto, the terrible and inexplicable trade happens. If you disagree, then please explain why only the Lakers were allowed to bid on Luka, and only one pick transferred from LAL to Dallas?

I mean if you want to go further down that rabbit hole you can speculate on who blackmailed Cuban, one of the most passionate owners in all of sports who is not in any sort of financial predicament, into selling the Mavericks, who were pretty much his baby.

Guy goes from outspoken and independent tech bro in a T shirt and Jeans to selling his team and going on a political simping tour cosplaying as Rachel Maddow.

Something really doesn't add up there.
There was more to that Kevin Spacey esque front office scandal they had than was ever released to the public.

Nico Harrison wasn't just making a dumb trade, he's been an Adam Silver plant from the beginning.

I see what you did there . So I will ask you to help me out with something. Please show me an example, literally any example in any major sport, of a top 5 talent being traded in a closed negotiation. Literally only accepting offers from a single team. Show me that and we can talk.

I had multiple conversations with others on "only accepting offers from a single team". I just don't think that is true. At least UTA knew and I am sure Ainge had put some counter proposal on the table. You can blame Nico for his fixation on Davis but I am sure they had look at other offers.

I also think Lakers are in the Fox discussion. So it's either Knecht + Reaves + 2 1st. for Fox or Davis + 1st for Luka. So, Lakers had some leverage. I don't think it's a coincidence the Fox trade comes out right after Luka trade.

[winforlose]

I mean if you want to go further down that rabbit hole you can speculate on who blackmailed Cuban, one of the most passionate owners in all of sports who is not in any sort of financial predicament, into selling the Mavericks, who were pretty much his baby.

Guy goes from outspoken and independent tech bro in a T shirt and Jeans to selling his team and going on a political simping tour cosplaying as Rachel Maddow.

Something really doesn't add up there.
There was more to that Kevin Spacey esque front office scandal they had than was ever released to the public.

Nico Harrison wasn't just making a dumb trade, he's been an Adam Silver plant from the beginning.

I see what you did there . So I will ask you to help me out with something. Please show me an example, literally any example in any major sport, of a top 5 talent being traded in a closed negotiation. Literally only accepting offers from a single team. Show me that and we can talk.

I had multiple conversations with others on "only accepting offers from a single team". I just don't think that is true. At least UTA knew and I am sure Ainge had put some counter proposal on the table. You can blame Nico for his fixation on Davis but I am sure they had look at other offers.

I also think Lakers are in the Fox discussion. So it's either Knecht + Reaves + 2 1st. for Fox or Davis + 1st for Luka. So, Lakers had some leverage. I don't think it's a coincidence the Fox trade comes out right after Luka trade.

Nico said he only talked to the Lakers. Source below.

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[moss_is_1]

CBS Sports:

The last nine months represented a real chance for the Bulls to reset and build this thing properly. In that span, they failed to net a single first-round pick for Caruso, DeRozan or LaVine aside from one they could've kept by simply losing more games.

They're gonna be pretty screwed for awhile now. They should flip Ball, Vucevic, White, Jalen Smith, Dosunmu while they might have value. Vucevic is having a career resurgence over 40% from 3 on 4.6 attempts after 3 rough shooting seasons.

The Ball and Jalen Smith for Randle trade has some intrigue if Ball is really gonna be able to ever play at a high level. White is interesting for sure.

[shrink]

I had multiple conversations with others on "only accepting offers from a single team". I just don't think that is true. At least UTA knew and I am sure Ainge had put some counter proposal on the table.

I heard today that DAL talked to Ainge didn’t even know! Nico talked to Ainge earlier in the week before, and all Danny knew was his part, where he’d take on salary in exchange for the two seconds. They only let him know the whole trade hours before it happened, and at a point where he couldn’t foul the trade. Just crazy secrecy!

[minimus]

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Toumani Camara stock is rising... I have been his fan since draft...

[shrink]

A "fun" comment from Canis:

It's just a matter of time before there's a swap of two impending supermax players, so the teams can keep the price down. I.e. here comes the Banchero-Holmgren trade saving each team $117M.

I love that!

What’s ironic is that the supermax rule was created thinking it would help small market teams retain their superstars. The NBA thought that if the home team could offer 35%, and all the others could only offer 30%, it would give small market teams a tool to keep their stars from heading to big market teams when they approached free agency. The problem though is that small market teams struggle to pay 35%, plus go far enough into the lux to build a contender with that star. This is even more true now that apron rules further strangle teams financially. Since its inception, we have seen the rule have the opposite of its intended effect. Ever since Boogie Cousins, small market teams end up trading their players to big markets (LAL, NYK) who have high revenues and can afford to pay superstars 35%.

[Klomp]

A "fun" comment from Canis:

It's just a matter of time before there's a swap of two impending supermax players, so the teams can keep the price down. I.e. here comes the Banchero-Holmgren trade saving each team $117M.

I love that!

What’s ironic is that the supermax rule was created thinking it would help small market teams retain their superstars. The NBA thought that if the home team could offer 35%, and all the others could only offer 30%, it would give small market teams a tool to keep their stars from heading to big market teams when they approached free agency. The problem though is that small market teams struggle to pay 35%, plus go far enough into the lux to build a contender with that star. This is even more true now that apron rules further strangle teams financially. Since its inception, we have seen the rule have the opposite of its intended effect. Ever since Boogie Cousins, small market teams end up trading their players to big markets (LAL, NYK) who have high revenues and can afford to pay superstars 35%.

I think one thing that feeds into this though is the small-minded owners who care more about the bottom line than they do about fielding a good team. Heck, I think Denver could have won a minimum of one more title with the main core that Connelly built, but Kroenke - while wealthy - uses the Nuggets as a money-maker while his true passion is the LA Rams.

[shrink]

https://dailyknicks.com/new-york-knicks-may-finally-have-reason-regret-karl-anthony-towns-trade

Knicks could regret trading for Towns, because they may have gotten Luka Doncic for Randle!

Oh, entitled Knicks fans …!

[TimberKat]

https://dailyknicks.com/new-york-knicks-may-finally-have-reason-regret-karl-anthony-towns-trade

Knicks could regret trading for Towns, because they may have gotten Luka Doncic for Randle!

Oh, entitled Knicks fans …!

There is already rumors NYK will swamp Towns for Jokic. It's like Nico would target Randle over Davis?

[Guest84]

Question...Shrink, this might be for you.

I heard on TNT that since Luka got traded, he's no longer eligible for the supermax deal even though he met the qualifications for it. Is this valid?

Candance Parker stated that this might be a way for teams to get out of paying the supermax and that it might be something that will need to be addressed with the next CBA.