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2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#1561 » by Fo-Real » Wed Feb 5, 2025 2:50 pm

DroughtsOverPHX wrote:Why does Butler want to come here? Will/would he edit his desire to be here once he knows Durant won't be here? I don't get why he would want to come to a team that has no bigs who can get an offensive rebound or shoot.

I could see us doing something totally crazy like getting Draymond in a Suns uniform or doing absolutely nothing. What an unpredictable mess.


He wants to come here because our owner is the ONLY one who has told him that he will give him the extension amount he is seeking. Plain and simple!
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#1562 » by bwgood77 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 2:52 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:Crazy to me that we're no longer talking Beal for Jimmy but rather talking about moving KD and getting back Green and Jimmy lol

Unless we're getting an absolute treasure trove of picks, I don't see the point at all


If we are moving KD and getting Buter, we won't get many picks. We will probably get like 1. If we move KD for younger prospects, I think we could get a couple picks.

KD's value is at least cut in half from when we traded for him. Getting someone at 34 vs 36 (to be 37 next year) is a pretty big difference in value. He has probably 2 years left, maybe only 1 at playing near where he is now. Of course Butler is old too but they wanted picks, prospects, role players for him, so the value difference is probably 1 pick. I would at least 2 on talent, but there just shouldn't be too many picks traded for 36 and 37 year old players (or soon to be in Sept...soon in basketball game left this season).

We really haven't seen guys at that age get traded for much. Even when Harden was last traded over a year ago from Philly and had just turned 34 and got one pick. He may not have been seen as good as Butler, but he can more run an offense/game, in a way (but to a lesser extent) as Luka/LeBron.

The only other stars around that age still playing are like Curry who won't get traded. But I don't see KD fetching more than 2 firsts unless they are obvious late ones, and maybe from a team that had a lot of them. The Warriors wouldn't trade picks far out into the future. And if the Heat were expecting a young player and picks, who would get them from GS, us or the Heat? Or one each?

I think the best we may hope for in picks if we are getting Jimmy for KD is like a first and a second...but maybe just one first. Two firsts would be phenomenal but I'd be more shocked if we got 2 at this point than if we got none.

I'd rather get a young player or two from the Rockets and one pick. Even if it was just like Jabari Smith or Eason and Whitmore and one of our firsts, maybe just this year's since the Rockets know we are ok, they might be more likely. If we could get like our 29 first, I'd take just one player like Smith or Eason and filler, even if it's FVV or Brooks (but would prefer Green, which apparently couldn't happen until the summer). But FVV or Brooks don't really make sense on our roster as is.

Obviously if we were rebuilding, Book for our picks, and if not Thompson, then Eason, Smith, Green and all our firsts and their future first that has swap rights with Dallas would be great.

I think there is very little chance we trade Book though, for at least a year. Unless he wants it.

I won't be surprised if a year from now we have Butler and Beal and are retooling and the other stars are gone...which would be crazy. We would probably then want to trade Butler but he'd probably throw a hissy fit or something.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#1563 » by inhabitMiami » Wed Feb 5, 2025 2:52 pm

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King4Day wrote:For those thinking it would just be KD for Butler and picks, you're out of your mind.

You don't go from Beal and a couple of bad firsts for Butler to KD for Butler and picks.
Whatever happens, it'll be a massive trade.

The worst I would accept is Butler, Kuminga, and a slew of picks.

I'd prefer to get younger however. KD is our only chance we have to retool around Booker. We need to get some youth in here. Butler, and his future extension doesn't help with that. This is our chance to fix some of what we lost when acquiring him.

Ultimately, if/when this goes down, I think whatever the final deal is, it'll make our heads spin (good or bad). Don't be surprised if guys like Morris, Jones, Lee, Bol, Mason are spun out too


It's not just Butler straight up. It'd be (I think) for Butler, Jovic, Ware and picks.....which is much preferable to sending him to the Dubs.

Jovic and Ware would be very useful pieces to put around Booker and would complete our future front court along with Dunn. Plus the picks. Miami is a better choice than sending him to the Dubs-if that's indeed Miami's offer and we have to trade KD now.


Edit: and if Houston and OKC don't want KD

0 chance Heat are handing over Ware for 36yo KD. Jovic yeah, but Ware is the guy they've been searching for to put next to Bam for 5 years.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#1564 » by Fo-Real » Wed Feb 5, 2025 2:53 pm

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Everyone else saying it’s dumb (which is correct) is probably exact reason why Ishbia would do this.

God damn we really need someone to come out with a harassment and racism suit against Ishbia. Sad thing is that he’s rich and “not cheap” so even if he was a sexual predator or racist, he would just pay them off on the side and do NDAs so he never gets caught which is what Sarver wasn’t willing to do.


What if the allegation was fake? Would you still want it?
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#1565 » by King4Day » Wed Feb 5, 2025 2:56 pm

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King4Day wrote:For those thinking it would just be KD for Butler and picks, you're out of your mind.

You don't go from Beal and a couple of bad firsts for Butler to KD for Butler and picks.
Whatever happens, it'll be a massive trade.

The worst I would accept is Butler, Kuminga, and a slew of picks.

I'd prefer to get younger however. KD is our only chance we have to retool around Booker. We need to get some youth in here. Butler, and his future extension doesn't help with that. This is our chance to fix some of what we lost when acquiring him.

Ultimately, if/when this goes down, I think whatever the final deal is, it'll make our heads spin (good or bad). Don't be surprised if guys like Morris, Jones, Lee, Bol, Mason are spun out too


It's not just Butler straight up. It'd be (I think) for Butler, Jovic, Ware and picks.....which is much preferable to sending him to the Dubs.

Jovic and Ware would be very useful pieces to put around Booker and would complete our future front court along with Dunn. Plus the picks. Miami is a better choice than sending him to the Dubs-if that's indeed Miami's offer and we have to trade KD now.


Edit: and if Houston and OKC don't want KD


I think Ware is untouchable for them, but even still, the apron screws up any deal like this.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#1566 » by Fo-Real » Wed Feb 5, 2025 2:57 pm

KdoubleDees23 wrote:If we trade KD , trade beal for butler not KD

Get KD for Kuminga Wiggins looney and a 1st
Beal for butler

I’ll take depth &

Jones / Morris
Booker / allen
Butler / Kuminga
Wiggins / Dunn
Looney / Richards

Then get rid of Nurkic for some more depth


What if we wound up trading KD and Nurk and wound up with Butler, Green AND Kuminga, plus whatever filler and picks to us. Would that be decent?
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#1567 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Feb 5, 2025 2:59 pm

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KD to Dallas? What could they offer? What would/ should we demand back if trading him to Dallas? Just like Memphis, they'd have to gut their roster a bit. But we could get some interesting pieces back and a few 1sts?
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#1568 » by Revived » Wed Feb 5, 2025 3:01 pm

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Everyone else saying it’s dumb (which is correct) is probably exact reason why Ishbia would do this.

God damn we really need someone to come out with a harassment and racism suit against Ishbia. Sad thing is that he’s rich and “not cheap” so even if he was a sexual predator or racist, he would just pay them off on the side and do NDAs so he never gets caught which is what Sarver wasn’t willing to do.


What if the allegation was fake? Would you still want it?

Yes, **** Ishbia. Guy single handedly ruined a team that millions of fans turn to watch to get comfort and distraction from their daily stressful lives. Instead watching the Suns itself has been more stressful as it’s a laughing joke.

Am I morally right in saying “yes”? Probably not. But I don’t care, he has billions he’ll be fine. Maybe he can even run for president someday.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#1569 » by bullsaficianado » Wed Feb 5, 2025 3:01 pm

I really don't want to trade Durant. There has to be more to this going on behind the scenes. He must quietly want out. Like what happened with Ayton. Trading for Warriors garbage does not make sense. Why though would you want to trade this man to a Western conference team? I would rather send him East. It's Kevin **** Durant. send him East.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#1570 » by Fo-Real » Wed Feb 5, 2025 3:03 pm

Revived wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:
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Everyone else saying it’s dumb (which is correct) is probably exact reason why Ishbia would do this.

God damn we really need someone to come out with a harassment and racism suit against Ishbia. Sad thing is that he’s rich and “not cheap” so even if he was a sexual predator or racist, he would just pay them off on the side and do NDAs so he never gets caught which is what Sarver wasn’t willing to do.


What if the allegation was fake? Would you still want it?

Yes, **** Ishbia. Guy single handedly ruined a team that millions of fans turn to watch to get comfort and distraction from their daily stressful lives. Instead watching the Suns itself has been more stressful as it’s a laughing joke.

Am I morally right in saying “yes”? Probably not. But I don’t care, he has billions he’ll be fine. Maybe he can even run for president someday.


You said it all. Its about being able to prioritize peoples opinions by their rational, yours is evident and more and more glaring.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#1571 » by wadenation305 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 3:05 pm

KdoubleDees23 wrote:If we trade KD , trade beal for butler not KD

Get KD for Kuminga Wiggins looney and a 1st
Beal for butler

I’ll take depth &

Jones / Morris
Booker / allen
Butler / Kuminga
Wiggins / Dunn
Looney / Richards

Then get rid of Nurkic for some more depth


I come in peace, but in your discussions if you guys want to have it more accurate, there is not a world, where the Heat take on Beal.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#1572 » by Fo-Real » Wed Feb 5, 2025 3:08 pm

wadenation305 wrote:
KdoubleDees23 wrote:If we trade KD , trade beal for butler not KD

Get KD for Kuminga Wiggins looney and a 1st
Beal for butler

I’ll take depth &

Jones / Morris
Booker / allen
Butler / Kuminga
Wiggins / Dunn
Looney / Richards

Then get rid of Nurkic for some more depth


I come in peace, but in your discussions if you guys want to have it more accurate, there is not a world, where the Heat take on Beal.


We have obviously realized that! :lol:
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#1573 » by BurningHeart » Wed Feb 5, 2025 3:15 pm

bullsaficianado wrote:I really don't want to trade Durant. There has to be more to this going on behind the scenes. He must quietly want out. Like what happened with Ayton. Trading for Warriors garbage does not make sense. Why though would you want to trade this man to a Western conference team? I would rather send him East. It's Kevin **** Durant. send him East.


What the hell is Kevin Durant now? Who cares?

He's done nothing for this franchise except either be hurt or significantly underperform with some of the absolute *worst* unattractive play I've ever seen. And he along with the other two supposed stars have done absolutely jack **** to deserve or live up to any "hype" they had, all but confirming all of the worst fears and warnings from some of us for years now.

AND he cost us two important players and several picks that have severely handcuffed this franchise going forward.

Absolutely **** Kevin Durant. Let him go play big team up NBA2K mercenary fetishist somewhere else.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#1574 » by matt131 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 3:15 pm

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#1575 » by King4Day » Wed Feb 5, 2025 3:16 pm

Who's stopping this trio? (Kidding. I cringe when reading posts like that

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#1576 » by Slim Charless » Wed Feb 5, 2025 3:20 pm

King4Day wrote:Who's stopping this trio? (Kidding. I cringe when reading posts like that

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Even in that photoshop, Giannis and Dame looked pissed lol. They both got a look on their faces that says "this **** guy"
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#1577 » by BobbieL » Wed Feb 5, 2025 3:23 pm

Only way taking butler for durant is if Beal is going

Still the second apron

How do ishbia and Bartlestein not see this

Same old roster
Still not improving team - unless we are all shocked at what GSW gives up
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#1578 » by bwgood77 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 3:25 pm

sunsbg wrote:At some point Ishbia will realize picks are not candies to give out to kids right.


Be careful. He will mock you caring about these 7th graders.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#1579 » by bullsaficianado » Wed Feb 5, 2025 3:26 pm

Good trade for Bucks. Kuzma is decent.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#1580 » by BobbieL » Wed Feb 5, 2025 3:31 pm

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King4Day wrote:Who's stopping this trio? (Kidding. I cringe when reading posts like that

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Even in that photoshop, Giannis and Dame looked pissed lol. They both got a look on their faces that says "this **** guy"


Bucks are now under the apron

Can make different trades now?


Get it Ishbia and Bartlestein - can make real trades now

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