2025 Regular Season Thread Vol. 7 - It’s about to go down

[inhabitMiami]

Then it has to be Wiggins coming here for Butler-if you guys are still involved of course.

Also, and this is of course from a Suns fan vantage but I think Riley would move both of those kids you guys have if it means you jump up to Boston/NYC levels in the east. Which Durant would do for you. JMO....

I get what you are saying but it's not close in terms of value (Buter and 3 very good assets) and KD doesn't move the needle without Ware and Jovic especially given the bit decline in his game (I watch you guys on league pass). KD price imo is Butler's value plus 1 assets and it's not gonna be a great asset given KD controls the leverage here you either move him now or come summer. You guys are kinda cooked thanks to the stupid Beal trade.

I disagree.

Durants value-for a straight deal to Miami has to include Jovic and all the picks or Jovic and Ware. That's including Jimmy of course, who as we both know isn't remotely as good as player as Durant...and that's taking into account Jimmy being younger.

Durant doesn't control anything about where he goes. In a world where the Mavs can blindside Luka in the middle of the night with a trade, the days of teams getting approval from players has ended.

Beal and Lebron have NTCs. They're the only ones in the league who control where they go. Period.

Jimmy + Jovic + all the Heat picks (1). Sounds good to me!!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Then it has to be Wiggins coming here for Butler-if you guys are still involved of course.

Also, and this is of course from a Suns fan vantage but I think Riley would move both of those kids you guys have if it means you jump up to Boston/NYC levels in the east. Which Durant would do for you. JMO....

I get what you are saying but it's not close in terms of value (Buter and 3 very good assets) and KD doesn't move the needle without Ware and Jovic especially given the bit decline in his game (I watch you guys on league pass). KD price imo is Butler's value plus 1 assets and it's not gonna be a great asset given KD controls the leverage here you either move him now or come summer. You guys are kinda cooked thanks to the stupid Beal trade.

I disagree.

Durants value-for a straight deal to Miami has to include Jovic and all the picks or Jovic and Ware. That's including Jimmy of course, who as we both know isn't remotely as good as player as Durant...and that's taking into account Jimmy being younger.

Durant doesn't control anything about where he goes. In a world where the Mavs can blindside Luka in the middle of the night with a trade, the days of teams getting approval from players has ended.

Beal and Lebron have NTCs. They're the only ones in the league who control where they go. Period.

We only have 1 1st to trade. I’ll gladly send you butler Jovic and a 1st

[DayofMourning]

Whispering eyes suggest that Durant is going to LA. Deal should happen around 2 am.

League pays KDs salary for next year once hes traded from PHX in order to fit deal under the cap for the Lakers.

[Slim Charless]

I get what you are saying but it's not close in terms of value (Buter and 3 very good assets) and KD doesn't move the needle without Ware and Jovic especially given the bit decline in his game (I watch you guys on league pass). KD price imo is Butler's value plus 1 assets and it's not gonna be a great asset given KD controls the leverage here you either move him now or come summer. You guys are kinda cooked thanks to the stupid Beal trade.

I disagree.

Durants value-for a straight deal to Miami has to include Jovic and all the picks or Jovic and Ware. That's including Jimmy of course, who as we both know isn't remotely as good as player as Durant...and that's taking into account Jimmy being younger.

Durant doesn't control anything about where he goes. In a world where the Mavs can blindside Luka in the middle of the night with a trade, the days of teams getting approval from players has ended.

Beal and Lebron have NTCs. They're the only ones in the league who control where they go. Period.

Then we pass. You want Butler, great. Make us a deal we like. We do not need to be buyers… we are selling to the highest bidder. You seem to be confused and trying to extort us for an old snake?

That snake is 7 feet tall and can get you 30 a game on 55/40/90 shooting. Plus plays D and can handle. So yeah I think he's worth all of that.

Again though imo it's Wiggins that comes to Miami and Butler goes to Phoenix.

[Rapaz]

I get what you are saying but it's not close in terms of value (Buter and 3 very good assets) and KD doesn't move the needle without Ware and Jovic especially given the bit decline in his game (I watch you guys on league pass). KD price imo is Butler's value plus 1 assets and it's not gonna be a great asset given KD controls the leverage here you either move him now or come summer. You guys are kinda cooked thanks to the stupid Beal trade.

I disagree.

Durants value-for a straight deal to Miami has to include Jovic and all the picks or Jovic and Ware. That's including Jimmy of course, who as we both know isn't remotely as good as player as Durant...and that's taking into account Jimmy being younger.

Durant doesn't control anything about where he goes. In a world where the Mavs can blindside Luka in the middle of the night with a trade, the days of teams getting approval from players has ended.

Beal and Lebron have NTCs. They're the only ones in the league who control where they go. Period.

Jimmy + Jovic + all the Heat picks (1). Sounds good to me!!

Son, you could benefit from studying the Rob PIMPlinka Stop SIMPin and Start PIMPin Negotiation Guide. You NEVER just accept their first counter. It makes them think they’re getting a raw deal. Even if they’re giving you the world for a penny, tell them it’s a hard call and you need a minute to think about it.

[Slim Charless]

I get what you are saying but it's not close in terms of value (Buter and 3 very good assets) and KD doesn't move the needle without Ware and Jovic especially given the bit decline in his game (I watch you guys on league pass). KD price imo is Butler's value plus 1 assets and it's not gonna be a great asset given KD controls the leverage here you either move him now or come summer. You guys are kinda cooked thanks to the stupid Beal trade.

I disagree.

Durants value-for a straight deal to Miami has to include Jovic and all the picks or Jovic and Ware. That's including Jimmy of course, who as we both know isn't remotely as good as player as Durant...and that's taking into account Jimmy being younger.

Durant doesn't control anything about where he goes. In a world where the Mavs can blindside Luka in the middle of the night with a trade, the days of teams getting approval from players has ended.

Beal and Lebron have NTCs. They're the only ones in the league who control where they go. Period.

We only have 1 1st to trade. I’ll gladly send you butler Jovic and a 1st

Lol. I did not know that. Thought you guys had 3 available?

So Ware then

[MiamiLoyal926]

I disagree.

Durants value-for a straight deal to Miami has to include Jovic and all the picks or Jovic and Ware. That's including Jimmy of course, who as we both know isn't remotely as good as player as Durant...and that's taking into account Jimmy being younger.

Durant doesn't control anything about where he goes. In a world where the Mavs can blindside Luka in the middle of the night with a trade, the days of teams getting approval from players has ended.

Beal and Lebron have NTCs. They're the only ones in the league who control where they go. Period.

Then we pass. You want Butler, great. Make us a deal we like. We do not need to be buyers… we are selling to the highest bidder. You seem to be confused and trying to extort us for an old snake?

That snake is 7 feet tall and can get you 30 a game on 55/40/90 shooting. Plus plays D and can handle. So yeah I think he's worth all of that.

Again though imo it's Wiggins that comes to Miami and Butler goes to Phoenix.

Sounding like a sales man…. selling hopes and dreams. How did that work out for you all?

Butler and Co got us to the finals… what did KD do for you all?

[MettaWorldPanda]

If we get KD fir Jimmy ill be hyped!!

Panda says it’s not happening.

Sad panda.

If Butler, Jovic, and 2030 1st gets it done build the Godfather 5 statues

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Apparently Pat Riley just called the Bucks and asked for Michael Redd, stay tuned. This is still developing

[DayofMourning]

I disagree.

Durants value-for a straight deal to Miami has to include Jovic and all the picks or Jovic and Ware. That's including Jimmy of course, who as we both know isn't remotely as good as player as Durant...and that's taking into account Jimmy being younger.

Durant doesn't control anything about where he goes. In a world where the Mavs can blindside Luka in the middle of the night with a trade, the days of teams getting approval from players has ended.

Beal and Lebron have NTCs. They're the only ones in the league who control where they go. Period.

We only have 1 1st to trade. I’ll gladly send you butler Jovic and a 1st

Lol. I did not know that. Thought you guys had 3 available?

So Ware then

Ware has a poor motor and attitude problems. Trust me. You dont want this kid.

[MiamiLoyal926]

I am done selling our future like this. Unless we are talking about a long term piece, stop giving away our future. Butler and Jaime for KD is my best offer.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I disagree.

Durants value-for a straight deal to Miami has to include Jovic and all the picks or Jovic and Ware. That's including Jimmy of course, who as we both know isn't remotely as good as player as Durant...and that's taking into account Jimmy being younger.

Durant doesn't control anything about where he goes. In a world where the Mavs can blindside Luka in the middle of the night with a trade, the days of teams getting approval from players has ended.

Beal and Lebron have NTCs. They're the only ones in the league who control where they go. Period.

We only have 1 1st to trade. I’ll gladly send you butler Jovic and a 1st

Lol. I did not know that. Thought you guys had 3 available?

So Ware then

You must be hitting Pat Riley’s happy gas if you think KD is getting you Jimmy, young prospects, and 3 1sts!!

[batterybro42]

I am not ruling out KD I think it is far more likely that we end up with him than Golden State.

Jimmy, Niko, 1st round pick

If KD is being shopped it is because he is telling the Suns get rid of Beal and get somebody else in or move me. At this juncture of his career KD just needs to be a scorer he does not need to be playing 36/37 minutes a night either like he is now. Let him play a nice 30ish a night during the regular season and reduce his defensive responsibilities. Playing the majority of his minutes with Bam/Ware allows him to funnel more and preserve himself for the offensive end. KD even at his age I think could reach career highs in efficiency with SPO. If he has any sway in that front office this is likely the outcome.

If KD is traded its to the highest bidder, and teams will bid for him and a good playoff push.

Unless this is one of those crazy conspiracy theories where now the Suns want to destroy the fan base to move to Las Vegas first

We very well may be the highest bidder. Not going to be easy with the Suns being in the 2nd apron to move KD. I think our trade with the Suns may be the best look they have. The package of players the Thunder would move are garbage, it would require them to add in a TON of draft capital which I am not sure they will do, and it is next to impossible to make this move work with Dallas. Time is ticking they may not have a bunch of time to shop an offer, Pat has likely kept them in a holding pattern for Butler this entire time.

The more I look at Golden State and what they can offer the less it makes sense for them. It would seem to me that PHX wants to win now potentially, but increase their flexibility moving forward. Butler does that for them, also giving them Niko and a 1st are two decent assets to build on.

[wadenation305]

Then it has to be Wiggins coming here for Butler-if you guys are still involved of course.

Also, and this is of course from a Suns fan vantage but I think Riley would move both of those kids you guys have if it means you jump up to Boston/NYC levels in the east. Which Durant would do for you. JMO....

I get what you are saying but it's not close in terms of value (Buter and 3 very good assets) and KD doesn't move the needle without Ware and Jovic especially given the bit decline in his game (I watch you guys on league pass). KD price imo is Butler's value plus 1 assets and it's not gonna be a great asset given KD controls the leverage here you either move him now or come summer. You guys are kinda cooked thanks to the stupid Beal trade.

I disagree.

Durants value-for a straight deal to Miami has to include Jovic and all the picks or Jovic and Ware. That's including Jimmy of course, who as we both know isn't remotely as good as player as Durant...and that's taking into account Jimmy being younger.

Durant doesn't control anything about where he goes. In a world where the Mavs can blindside Luka in the middle of the night with a trade, the days of teams getting approval from players has ended.

Beal and Lebron have NTCs. They're the only ones in the league who control where they go. Period.

You can keep the disgruntled Durant. I'd rather develop the young guys.

[Hoops3355]

Then it has to be Wiggins coming here for Butler-if you guys are still involved of course.

Also, and this is of course from a Suns fan vantage but I think Riley would move both of those kids you guys have if it means you jump up to Boston/NYC levels in the east. Which Durant would do for you. JMO....

I get what you are saying but it's not close in terms of value (Buter and 3 very good assets) and KD doesn't move the needle without Ware and Jovic especially given the bit decline in his game (I watch you guys on league pass). KD price imo is Butler's value plus 1 assets and it's not gonna be a great asset given KD controls the leverage here you either move him now or come summer. You guys are kinda cooked thanks to the stupid Beal trade.

I disagree.

Durants value-for a straight deal to Miami has to include Jovic and all the picks or Jovic and Ware. That's including Jimmy of course, who as we both know isn't remotely as good as player as Durant...and that's taking into account Jimmy being younger.

Durant doesn't control anything about where he goes. In a world where the Mavs can blindside Luka in the middle of the night with a trade, the days of teams getting approval from players has ended.

Beal and Lebron have NTCs. They're the only ones in the league who control where they go. Period.

KD isn't 34 but he's 36 with 1.5 years left on his contract and will certainly not be returning whatever you're fantasizing about unless you guys get Dallas involved imo. He controls his future by simply saying no to an extension just like Jimmy currently has been doing. KD isn't afraid to leave historically either. Saying players don't have control especially taking about some of KD's stature is wild. If it wasn't the case you'd have had multiple offers on the table which you don't and then you take into account the new CBA. Remember you guys are the ones who are in the vice not us. This season was always gonna be a transition so we don't have expectations. We can let Jimmy stew all season. Owners are gonna support it because it's gonna lead the end of guaranteed contracts. You guys miss the playoffs good luck with the fall out hence why you are panic trading KD potentially.

Edit: the Luka trade was the NBA either fully embracing its future as the WWE or Nico Williams taking the hit for the owners running the numbers + getting the games in China.

[Slim Charless]

Then we pass. You want Butler, great. Make us a deal we like. We do not need to be buyers… we are selling to the highest bidder. You seem to be confused and trying to extort us for an old snake?

That snake is 7 feet tall and can get you 30 a game on 55/40/90 shooting. Plus plays D and can handle. So yeah I think he's worth all of that.

Again though imo it's Wiggins that comes to Miami and Butler goes to Phoenix.

Sounding like a sales man…. selling hopes and dreams. How did that work out for you all?

Butler and Co got us to the finals… what did KD do for you all?

Gets us Butler, Ware and Jovic. Hopefully lol.

In all seriousness, Durant has played excellent and has stayed healthy with us too. Hes been better than Booker i think at least. The Beal trade is a bad fit, but we got him for so little I don't even fault them for it.

[Daffy]

I am done selling our future like this. Unless we are talking about a long term piece, stop giving away our future. Butler and Jaime for KD is my best offer.

You're the same guy that didn't want Dame and posted all those long posts about how Dame would decline so soon dude to age and size etc. Here we are 2 years later and Dame is still playing at an elite level.

[wadenation305]

I disagree.

Durants value-for a straight deal to Miami has to include Jovic and all the picks or Jovic and Ware. That's including Jimmy of course, who as we both know isn't remotely as good as player as Durant...and that's taking into account Jimmy being younger.

Durant doesn't control anything about where he goes. In a world where the Mavs can blindside Luka in the middle of the night with a trade, the days of teams getting approval from players has ended.

Beal and Lebron have NTCs. They're the only ones in the league who control where they go. Period.

We only have 1 1st to trade. I’ll gladly send you butler Jovic and a 1st

Lol. I did not know that. Thought you guys had 3 available?

So Ware then

Just like there is no world where the Heat take on Beal, there is no world where we give you Ware. Herro, Bam, and Ware are our future core, the oldest guy being like 25-26. KD does not fit that at 36 years old. I'd be more interested in a star PG than KD at this point

[dagger151]

Ware isnt going anyWARE!

[Lennyzinho]

That snake is 7 feet tall and can get you 30 a game on 55/40/90 shooting. Plus plays D and can handle. So yeah I think he's worth all of that.

Again though imo it's Wiggins that comes to Miami and Butler goes to Phoenix.

Sounding like a sales man…. selling hopes and dreams. How did that work out for you all?

Butler and Co got us to the finals… what did KD do for you all?

Gets us Butler, Ware and Jovic. Hopefully lol.

In all seriousness, Durant has played excellent and has stayed healthy with us too. Hes been better than Booker i think at least. The Beal trade is a bad fit, but we got him for so little I don't even fault them for it.

Lmao. Well ya should.

Destroyed yalls flexibility. No one wanted Beal. Hence he was "cheap".