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Middleton/Johnson to Wash for Kuzma/Baldwin

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Re: Middleton/Johnson to Wash for Kuzma/Baldwin 

Post#581 » by Daver » Wed Feb 5, 2025 6:29 pm

MD will delete this but rumor mill on X is bucks /blazers talking 4 player deal
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Re: Middleton/Johnson to Wash for Kuzma/Baldwin 

Post#582 » by MiltownMadness » Wed Feb 5, 2025 6:29 pm

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ShootingtheJ wrote:It's going to be tough to create shots with Giannis the only playmaker on the roster.


We get it dude. You **** HATE Dame.

I'll never get why dudes online post really dumb/obtuse **** to show how much they don't like a player :lol:
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Re: Middleton/Johnson to Wash for Kuzma/Baldwin 

Post#583 » by JEIS » Wed Feb 5, 2025 6:29 pm

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paulpressey25 wrote:
JayMKE wrote:What do the red and white emojis mean? Most wild interpretation wins


Deal with Portland is the best take I’ve seen so far.

Rockets please



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Re: Middleton/Johnson to Wash for Kuzma/Baldwin 

Post#584 » by LUKE23 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 6:30 pm

Cody Martin is career 32% from 3. Would be another bad move.
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Re: Middleton/Johnson to Wash for Kuzma/Baldwin 

Post#585 » by crkone » Wed Feb 5, 2025 6:30 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:There's plenty of smoke at this point to indicate that the organization and certainly some players/coaches were pretty fed up with Khris' constant load management. Whether he was dragging his heels purposefully or not is kinda irrelevant. We needed someone who can be physically present on a basketball court.
It depends on the Kuzma the Bucks get. We getting 35 minutes a game from Lakers' Kuzma or a taller Patty C that shoots like Ben Simmons.

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Re: Middleton/Johnson to Wash for Kuzma/Baldwin 

Post#586 » by theFireBlanket » Wed Feb 5, 2025 6:31 pm

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Re: Middleton/Johnson to Wash for Kuzma/Baldwin 

Post#587 » by LUKE23 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 6:31 pm

Cody Martin is career 32% from 3. No thanks.
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Re: Middleton/Johnson to Wash for Kuzma/Baldwin 

Post#588 » by buckboy » Wed Feb 5, 2025 6:31 pm

midranger wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:
JayMKE wrote:What do the red and white emojis mean? Most wild interpretation wins


Deal with Portland is the best take I’ve seen so far.

Rockets please


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Re: Middleton/Johnson to Wash for Kuzma/Baldwin 

Post#589 » by Turk Nowitzki » Wed Feb 5, 2025 6:31 pm

Daver wrote:MD will delete this but rumor mill on X is bucks /blazers talking 4 player deal

I mean if you provide a legitimate source he won't delete it. If you're just posting random unverified speculation or fake stuff then yeah what do you expect
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Re: Middleton/Johnson to Wash for Kuzma/Baldwin 

Post#590 » by crkone » Wed Feb 5, 2025 6:32 pm

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steger_3434 wrote:This could be it. I said last year imagine being Giannis giving your all every game getting beat up every game and coming back and doing it all again while your robin sits his ass on the sideline basically refusing to play until he’s 100% and even then it’s only playing every other game and for 20 minutes. As competitive as Giannis is there is no way that doesn’t bother him.

Loved khris through the height of our runs. But that Khris is a long distant memory now. He has one of the worst contracts in the league and is a very bad player.

With that said…..Kim’s sucks so we didn’t get better.


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Then again Giannis has missed the playoffs quite a bit too

Because he doesn’t get to rest all season like Middleton gets to


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And then Middleton has availability issues because he pushes it too hard with broken ankles in the playoffs.

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Re: Middleton/Johnson to Wash for Kuzma/Baldwin 

Post#591 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Feb 5, 2025 6:33 pm

We're already under the 2nd apron so why would we give up another asset to dump Pat's contract at this point? The worse Martin brother? Seriously?
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Post#592 » by neiLz » Wed Feb 5, 2025 6:34 pm

Frank Nova wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:I think we're underrating just how much resentment there may have been when Khris was medically cleared, took a month off after that, then came in looking slow and out of shape.


Khruka Middlecic?

So now we are speculating that giannis hates khris cuz khris didn't feel ready to come back from injury?

Dame being a drunk was a wild take. this is just as bonkers.
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Post#593 » by JEIS » Wed Feb 5, 2025 6:34 pm

Dame to Miami
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Re: Middleton/Johnson to Wash for Kuzma/Baldwin 

Post#594 » by Wonka » Wed Feb 5, 2025 6:35 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:We're already under the 2nd apron so why would we give up another asset to dump Pat's contract at this point? The worse Martin brother? Seriously?


Because we are poorly run, uninspired, and unintelligent. We are going to get one ring out of Giannis.
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Post#595 » by tedbrogen » Wed Feb 5, 2025 6:37 pm

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Post#596 » by ShootingtheJ » Wed Feb 5, 2025 6:37 pm

MiltownMadness wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:It's going to be tough to create shots with Giannis the only playmaker on the roster.


We get it dude. You **** HATE Dame.

I'll never get why dudes online post really dumb/obtuse **** to show how much they don't like a player :lol:


He's a scoring guard only.
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Re: Middleton/Johnson to Wash for Kuzma/Baldwin 

Post#597 » by Sigra » Wed Feb 5, 2025 6:38 pm

Khris is done. We are title contender. Cant have that much salary tied to korpse. I like Kuzma contract. Kuzma looks like player who playes better for team with superstar that must be double teamed. We have 2. Johnson is not part of our rotation. Hate when fans overrate young players just because they are young.

I like this trade. Still, very sad to see sir Khris go. He is done and we had to do this but still...strange water in my eyes...:(
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Post#598 » by Ruben Quevedo » Wed Feb 5, 2025 6:38 pm

CharityStripe34 wrote:
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paulpressey25 wrote:
The real moment was when we wouldn’t give PJ is 2/$20 deal he wanted.

But yes this is the beginning of the end.


I'm sure many will disagree, but the beginning of the end was winning the title. We were a weak title winner, and the trophy tricked us into thinking we were better than we were. We were a KD jumper away from going down 0-3 to the Nets, a Nets without Harden and who lost Kyrie one game later. Lose that series, and the changes would've been wholesale. Then the Hawks were one of, if not the worst conference finals team in the last 25 years. Suns were a legitimately good team but far from a juggernaut.

Losing in 7 to Boston without Khris just tricked us again. I thought Boston was clearly the better team and a healthy Khris would not have made a difference. Then we lose Giannis against the Heat and get tricked again (Boston beat us by about 100 points at home a few weeks before). Then we lose Giannis and Dame against the Pacers to give us another reason to "run it back."

But look at the underlying numbers even when everyone was healthy. We had a 3 year sample of good, and sometimes very good, but not great basketball. We never really recovered our level pre-Covid level of just smashing teams.


Much of what you said I agree with, though I would think had Khris not slipped and messed up his knee in 2022, that was a title-winning team. He could still defend at a solid level and was always (to that point) someone who murdered Boston. This would've meant Holiday wouldn't have to take as many shots and could focus more on what he did well, Grayson would not have nearly the responsibility and could simply run around and make some threes (and move the ball), etc. etc. It would've given Boston another 20ppg scorer at great efficiency to guard at least.

Miami would've played us tougher than in 2021, but I think we beat them in the ECF and could've definitely beaten GS as 2022 Draymond would've been introduced to the gimp from Giannis. Sadly, the chips fell the way they did and Khris never really recovered, coupled with Jrue's offense collapsing every post-season and Giannis missing nearly two playoff seasons getting hurt at the worst time. Sucks.

The first domino that should've fallen was Brook. He was a great rim protector but a very match-up specific player that absolutely KILLED us against Boston and other teams that could go small, hence why Horford turned into prime Dirk on the pick and pop. Horst should've sold on Brook much higher. We won the title against Phoenix (a very good team) with PJ averaging essentially 0 points and playing major crunch time minutes. The move was always to bring in a solid defensive wing/F that could scale up and give us the Giannis-at-C lineups that could crush teams and Horst NEVER MADE IT HAPPEN. Preferring instead to extend Brook right after he came off of back-surgery in his thirties no less (and we see the last two years he can barely move or jump for a rebound).

I do agree that Horst and ownership overvalued the title-winning core group and should've started quietly shopping some guys 1-2 years ago to become more athletic, younger and switchable.


Khris would've helped offensively against Boston, no question. But I don't think it would've fixed our defensive issues against them.

I was always fine with keeping Brook because his rim protection is extremely valuable and there were plenty of good teams who also played with a plodding center or non shooters that we could hide him on. The problem as you said was never finding that additional small ball option to play the 4/5 for us.
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Re: Middleton/Johnson to Wash for Kuzma/Baldwin 

Post#599 » by nagawicka » Wed Feb 5, 2025 6:39 pm

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Huh? How has AJJ panned out so far, and this is coming from someone that thinks he could be special. I think the ‘emergence’ of Ajax, Green and Rollins is the only reason we were willing to send AJJ out. If that is true, I guess we need to give credit to someone for finding those three dudes.

Draft picks panning out don't have to make DPOY or lead LeBron's Lakers to a title. You know what I mean and you know why everybody's reacting this way. At this stage, at his stage of devt, Johnson is easily shows solid promise of recent draft picks. We're lucky we hit on that pick, and throwing away the young dude is as asinine as it is low bbiq.


Showing promise, absolutely. Hitting on the pick, don’t agree, yet. Thon showed promise. nwora showed promise. I think the timeline for AJJ to play wasn’t a fit and if anything should have us pissing on Horst for not getting Dunn all the more

Fundamental distinction between Thon's 'promise', Nwora's 'promise', and the performance AJ Johnson put on the floor. No need to say it was more than it is. Young, not there yet; an entire categorical difference as far as NBA potential. You're talking weak, weak hopes versus stop-me hoops. Denialism will leave the Bucks putting a 47yo Giannis on the floor, alone, with nobody left to ignore but has-been free agent point guards he won't let handle the ball. --Oh, I see, you're still just Big Mad about Dunn. He has to get there before we can say we 'hit on the pick'. You're looking end-stage; we're not talking about 7years from now. 'We hit on the pick at this stage of development; given what we know, so far.' Not hard to grasp.
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Re: Middleton/Johnson to Wash for Kuzma/Baldwin 

Post#600 » by MiltownMadness » Wed Feb 5, 2025 6:40 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
MiltownMadness wrote:
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We get it dude. You **** HATE Dame.

I'll never get why dudes online post really dumb/obtuse **** to show how much they don't like a player :lol:


He's a scoring guard only.

He's top 10 in A/TO ratio amongst starting PGs, and even then playmaking is much more than passing the ball.

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