Let’s stop pretending the league isn’t corrupt

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Re: Let’s stop pretending the league isn’t corrupt 

Post#101 » by og15 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 7:33 pm

Hes_On_Fire wrote:
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druggas wrote:That's because McHale and Ainge already had a deal between them. C'mon, you know it's true.


relationships..

dallas gm and lakers gm have a 20 year history and a relationship.

it happens everyday in life all around us. we all know that guy, that got a job/promotion/bonus or whatever because he had a relationship with the boss. We all know that landlord, that only puts people in his appartments that he knows or gets recommended.

this is just what humans do. relationships build trust, naturally you gravitate towards people that you trust. this is regular human behaviour and not a conspiracy.

Harrison could have never pulled off this kind of deal in silence with other GMs he has no relationship with. and they didnt want a bidding war, circus or huge distraction for their team with a weeklong bidding war between teams for their star player. perfectly fine, reasonable and totally legit. now the decision to trade luka is definitley something we can argue about, does it make sense or not? we can all have different opinions that.

there is absolutely NO WAY the mavs do this for the lakers out of pure love for the league or the pockets of other owners.


Relationships got major superstar players traded to the Lakers for the last 50 years? Or was it the league needing its marquee franchise always relevant?

The Lakers have a lot of things that benefit them. We already have a lot of former players who are from that region, and/or are Lakers fans.

The location, weather, Hollywood, the prestige, and actually, yes, connections are a factor. Maybe if I was an owner I'm not hiring Lakers alum / Lakers connection guys to at least diminish some connections factors. Look at all the guys who decided to go the LA.

LA is an amazing place to be if you are rich and famous, there's absolutely no secret about that reality.

Look, as a Clippers fan, as soon as the team actually started trying to not be trash, so like 15 years, they've had Chris Paul, Kawhi, Paul George, Harden all come in trades, and that's without any franchise prestige, history, deep connections. If the Clippers can get all those guys, do you think the league even needs to do anything in order for the Lakers to get more and even better guys?

What did the league do to get Lebron to LA? Nothing, he just showed up, all LA had to do was make sure they had cap. What about Shaq? What about Kobe forcing his way there? AD?

AmusingFiddle wrote:Yes and No. Its an Entertainment league. Some of conspiracy theories are over exaggerated and many completely ignored (relationships, profits, $$$$$). Never believe an owner when they claim to be only driven by winning and not $. Irregardless, of their net worth.

I know people get surprised by this a lot, but many rich people still want to be even more rich. Not being a billionaire I can't tell you the reasoning or the mentality, and it's not all rich people, but just because people are rich doesn't mean they want to waste money.

There are certainly people who are rich and are where they are because they are not just throwing away money, so that could be a factor, it is not in their mentality to just waste money without a purpose. I guess we should really stop being surprised that some rich people are doing what is best for their pockets and thinking, "but they already have so much money".
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Re: Let’s stop pretending the league isn’t corrupt 

Post#102 » by NoStatsGuy » Wed Feb 5, 2025 8:15 pm

Hes_On_Fire wrote:
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druggas wrote:That's because McHale and Ainge already had a deal between them. C'mon, you know it's true.


relationships..

dallas gm and lakers gm have a 20 year history and a relationship.

it happens everyday in life all around us. we all know that guy, that got a job/promotion/bonus or whatever because he had a relationship with the boss. We all know that landlord, that only puts people in his appartments that he knows or gets recommended.

this is just what humans do. relationships build trust, naturally you gravitate towards people that you trust. this is regular human behaviour and not a conspiracy.

Harrison could have never pulled off this kind of deal in silence with other GMs he has no relationship with. and they didnt want a bidding war, circus or huge distraction for their team with a weeklong bidding war between teams for their star player. perfectly fine, reasonable and totally legit. now the decision to trade luka is definitley something we can argue about, does it make sense or not? we can all have different opinions that.

there is absolutely NO WAY the mavs do this for the lakers out of pure love for the league or the pockets of other owners.


Relationships got major superstar players traded to the Lakers for the last 50 years? Or was it the league needing its marquee franchise always relevant?


do really think the answer is that easy?

that the problem with you guys. you only know black and white and nothing in between. because one payer gets traded for one reason, doesnt mean this happened for 50 years. it either is corrupt or it isnt and if it happened once it surely happened for the past 50 years, right?

trades like this dont happen for a single reason. theres so many factors that played a role in this and we probably dont know most of them.

as og posted before, there is a difference in the leageu being corrupt and corruption happening in the league. plus what you think is corruption probably is just relationships. the world aint that easy to explain my guy. i wish it was.

there is no reason to not believe, what the parties involved said on TV about this trade is true
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Re: Let’s stop pretending the league isn’t corrupt 

Post#103 » by NBA4Lyfe » Wed Feb 5, 2025 8:57 pm

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C3H6N6O6 wrote:Fans wanted parity. Cried about it regularly. This is parity.

The new CBA makes it hard for even teams like the Celtics to spend a lot for years countinously.
Hire better GMs and draft and trade for better pieces.

Also, league's ratings are down because of parity. NBA is not the NFL. The whole reason for NBA's popularity is because the best players were at some time on teams that had a chance to be a dynasty. You can't build dynasties now with the new CBA.



no the nba ratings are down because of the consistent overpraiseand overmarketing of lebron james. Nobody likes the guy, his game is also ugly to watch. Lebron only draws ratings when he plays againist other elite players..

Caitlin Clark by herself destroying the nba in tv ratings in the lebron era

poor luka stuck with this guy as a teammate

"Caitlin Clark by herself destroying the nba in tv ratings in the lebron era":Most knowledgeable LeBron hater.



Im not a LeBron hater, Im a LeBron truther. I don't care how many rigged "fan votes" from Chinese bot accounts he gets for the all star game. The historic drop in viewership with this guy as the face of the league is all the proof we need. Nobody LIKES HIM

how many teammates has LeBron snaked, coached he demanded to be fired. Just over a decade ago LeBron was angling to get erik spolestra fired.


Pray for Luka, he didn't ask to be traded or forced to be teammates with this narracist
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Re: Let’s stop pretending the league isn’t corrupt 

Post#104 » by NBA4Lyfe » Wed Feb 5, 2025 8:59 pm

tbhawksfan1 wrote:If we polled neutral fans on RealGM, what percentage would have done like Nico? Like less than 1% I bet. Either Nico sold out the Mavs or he's playing chess with 16 pawns



Nico Harrison was a klutch sports plant for the Lakers, essentially a double agent. If Im the suns I fire James jones right now
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Re: Let’s stop pretending the league isn’t corrupt 

Post#105 » by dbrog24 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 9:33 pm

It is pretty crazy to think about that the Mavs got essentially the same deal that the Spurs got for Kawhi on his expiring contract...except Luka still has 3 years if he chooses to stay. From this thread and others, clearly the main issue is the collusion as we all know multiple teams would have offered max draft picks + other goodies for him. I don't necessarily think this means things are corrupt though.

To me it's probably two fold: 1) Bad GMs gonna bad GM or give others' favors
2) Silver literally doesn't care about the integrity of the sport
This one is far more destructive. There's literally no punishment or reason for teams NOT to do this due to Silvers approach to completely catering to players. He just wants high scores and highlights because he thinks that's what builds revenue and doesn't realize stories do. Look at his reaction to the three point shooting, "what if we changed to 10 minute quarters?" which is completely out of touch but could inherently artificially create closer games in terms of point spread. Previously when KG was questioning him on bringing back defensive rules, he flat out said that he wants more offense.

Ultimately this leads to the product being near unwatchable for most of us more hardcore fans. I can't tell you the last time I've even watched a full playoff series...I used to watch all of them every year plus every season game televised. It's that bad right now with only signs of getting worse because of the above reasons
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Re: Let’s stop pretending the league isn’t corrupt 

Post#106 » by SkyBill40 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 9:37 pm

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tbhawksfan1 wrote:If we polled neutral fans on RealGM, what percentage would have done like Nico? Like less than 1% I bet. Either Nico sold out the Mavs or he's playing chess with 16 pawns



Nico Harrison was a klutch sports plant for the Lakers, essentially a double agent. If Im the suns I fire James jones right now


While I'm all for firing James Jones, what does he have to do with anything here?
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Re: Let’s stop pretending the league isn’t corrupt 

Post#107 » by NBA4Lyfe » Wed Feb 5, 2025 9:42 pm

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tbhawksfan1 wrote:If we polled neutral fans on RealGM, what percentage would have done like Nico? Like less than 1% I bet. Either Nico sold out the Mavs or he's playing chess with 16 pawns



Nico Harrison was a klutch sports plant for the Lakers, essentially a double agent. If Im the suns I fire James jones right now


While I'm all for firing James Jones, what does he have to do with anything here?




James jones is with a klutch partner and was best buddies with LeBron in Cleveland
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Re: Let’s stop pretending the league isn’t corrupt 

Post#108 » by SkyBill40 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 9:45 pm

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Nico Harrison was a klutch sports plant for the Lakers, essentially a double agent. If Im the suns I fire James jones right now


While I'm all for firing James Jones, what does he have to do with anything here?




James jones is with a klutch partner and was best buddies with LeBron in Cleveland


Okay.. so we're calling this "guilt by association" then? While that's fine and all, it really doesn't matter here as it's not like the Suns are helping better the Lakers. I think we should stick to the facts as they are and put this one in the largely irrelevant folder.
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Re: Let’s stop pretending the league isn’t corrupt 

Post#109 » by cgf » Wed Feb 5, 2025 9:47 pm

If it is corrupt, hopefully the league gets off its ass, there's less than 24 hours for them to send Jokic to New York!
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Re: Let’s stop pretending the league isn’t corrupt 

Post#110 » by TheGOATWill » Wed Feb 5, 2025 9:55 pm

Realgm: Trade requests suck. Player empowerment is ruining the game. Teams should be able to trade players when and where they see fit.
Dallas trades Luka to Lakers...
Realgm: Not like that. This whole thing smacks of corruption.
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Re: Let’s stop pretending the league isn’t corrupt 

Post#111 » by JustBuzzin » Wed Feb 5, 2025 9:56 pm

Entertainment!

Sports is entertainment take it how you feel. If you think it's real then by all means bless your sweet heart.
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Re: Let’s stop pretending the league isn’t corrupt 

Post#112 » by SkyBill40 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 9:57 pm

TheGOATWill wrote:Realgm: Trade requests suck. Player empowerment is ruining the game. Teams should be able to trade players when and where they see fit.
Dallas trades Luka to Lakers...
Realgm: Not like that. This whole thing smacks of corruption.


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Re: Let’s stop pretending the league isn’t corrupt 

Post#113 » by NBA4Lyfe » Wed Feb 5, 2025 10:31 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:Entertainment!

Sports is entertainment take it how you feel. If you think it's real then by all means bless your sweet heart.



Imagine calling the current nba product "entertainment"
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Re: Let’s stop pretending the league isn’t corrupt 

Post#114 » by JustBuzzin » Wed Feb 5, 2025 10:36 pm

NBA4Lyfe wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:Entertainment!

Sports is entertainment take it how you feel. If you think it's real then by all means bless your sweet heart.



Imagine calling the current nba product "entertainment"

Why do you watch sports?
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Re: Let’s stop pretending the league isn’t corrupt 

Post#115 » by Ben-N1ce » Wed Feb 5, 2025 10:47 pm

Not sure about the league in on trades but I 100% believe Nico did not get fair value for Luka because he was helping his buddy out. His job is literally to do what's best for the franchise and he didn't. There hasn't been anyone able to justify why he didn't get more picks or players except for the theory that a first rounder or Knect was the line in the sand Pelinka drew for generational talent. That is ridiculous. Nobody is turning down that trade over a rookie or one 1st rounder. Period.
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Re: Let’s stop pretending the league isn’t corrupt 

Post#116 » by sfernald » Wed Feb 5, 2025 10:48 pm

I don’t know about that because it’s really just entertainment like wwf. But I wouldn’t gamble on it for sure.
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Re: Let’s stop pretending the league isn’t corrupt 

Post#117 » by NbaAllDay » Wed Feb 5, 2025 10:54 pm

Everything is a conspiracy when you aren't capable or willing to look outside of an extremely narrow view.
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Re: Let’s stop pretending the league isn’t corrupt 

Post#118 » by kulaz3000 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 10:58 pm

I think there are people that need to stop being so naive, and realize that the NBA is a business and just like any business on the planet, it's not always going to be fair. That's just a fact of life. It doesn't mean it's corrupt, because both teams played within the rules, and just because you don't like the results doesn't mean it's not fair.

The NBA has never been, and will never be a perfect basketball haven, where it serves the best interests of the game and it's fans, once you face this true reality, nothing should really surprise you. It doesn't mean teams are colluding with each other for one franchise to fail, and the others to succeed, there is too much money at stake for that, however, it does mean that there are going to be deals and decisions made that leaves fans scratching our heads, because they are likely based on decisions removed from basketball itself.

These sensationalized reactions are just so common these days, and it happens across so many areas, whether it be in movies, sports, politics etc., and people just lap it up. It's okay to not like something, but it's also okay if other people like it, it's okay to have differences, and in this case, both parties are happy with the deal that they made, so for us fans to make it a bigger issue that it is because we don't like the deal, is just pointless. I personally thought it was a horrendous deal, and the Mavs were stupid to have made the deal, and processed the deal the way they did, however, I'm not then think it's some form of corruption either.
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Re: Let’s stop pretending the league isn’t corrupt 

Post#119 » by DCasey91 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 11:14 pm

Sports and corruption go hand in hand alot longer than the internet has been around

Global sports stars paraded around infamous gangsters in fact it was kind of presumed

You want real here's one. First hand working and a couple of run ins

Nobody has access to bulk cash that you can up and get on a whim unless. Who has that? Criminals large scale, medium scale what have you

Don't believe me try going to any bank and ask for half a mill in bills you'll get laughed out... Ask for a half a mill loan they'll say hold up let me bring you to my office. What's the difference? Ones real one gets made up on the spot

Legit I seen sportsmen drop 100k plus in cash you know what I just said just betting, the house gets a cut the criminals own the sportsmen because they are their banks the bank loves it because it's easy money laundering

And all the normal people stay in their homes watching what they think is real.

You do know Gambling prints billions upon billions of actual real money being laundered through same with art, housing, cars assets anything, but with gambling you can make the amount to anything

Watch how they rich will get even more rich from the tanking divs in business in the NBA crashing right now

... Who has all that capital to once again buy up all the `cheaper assets` the whales who tank it in the first place

People need to look at reality in the face it's corrupt all the way through the higher you go.
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Re: Let’s stop pretending the league isn’t corrupt 

Post#120 » by NBA4Lyfe » Wed Feb 5, 2025 11:50 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:
NBA4Lyfe wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:Entertainment!

Sports is entertainment take it how you feel. If you think it's real then by all means bless your sweet heart.



Imagine calling the current nba product "entertainment"

Why do you watch sports?



I don't lol

Only James harden, Terence Crawford, Novak djokovic and Jameis Winston

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