Paolo's ts% is down to. 526 from .590 at the start of the year

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Paolo is good but he should not run the offense period. Not now, propably never. Even Franz is better at that. Lets not force him in a role he cant earn himself.

I think Franz is a faster decision maker but I feel Paolo is the better playmaker when he finally decide what he’s going to do. But either way, the reason why either of them are running the offense is because our guards can’t. We need a point guard.

[pepe1991]

His TS in first 4 games, exscluding 50 points game was 54%.

His whole game is foul baiting and mid range shooting.

People just overvalued his playoff showing vs easiest possible matchup once Allen got hurt.
Before Allen injury his TS in playoffs was also 54%

I like this post in terms of clarity. Good clarity to state that with Jarrett Allen in the mix, Paolo was below the league average in TS% with .455 FG%, .318 3P%, .615 FT% in the first 4 games of the 7 game series (and first playoff appearance).
I am curious how/if you want to extend that statement now pepe, if you want to. Is a below league average TS% player also a below league average player? I doubt you would take it that far, so maybe you are homing in on a potential statement that Paolo is deceptively a below league average star player. Following your line of thought along, there are those comps out there, after all, of Melo and Randle where the first one scored too much and the second was not quite a real impact star with a career 18 PER.

Hy mate, i will try to reply on this when i get on my mac, i'm just moved to new apartment and don't have home internet until tomarrow

Btw i think "like Melo" is something people use to bring player down, but Melo was NOT bad player.

[basketballRob]

I agree with OP. Paolo's TS is way down. He probably needs 25-30 games to get back to the level he was before. It takes a while after doing nothing for 2-3 months.

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[Skybox]

I agree with OP. Paolo's TS is way down. He probably needs 25-30 games to get back to the level he was before. It takes a while after doing nothing for 2-3 months.

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25-30 game ramp up...great. Sound concept

[basketballRob]

I agree with OP. Paolo's TS is way down. He probably needs 25-30 games to get back to the level he was before. It takes a while after doing nothing for 2-3 months.

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25-30 game ramp up...great. Sound concept

How long do you think it takes after not doing anything for 2-3 months? He couldn't do cardio or shoot.

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[three3d]

I agree with OP. Paolo's TS is way down. He probably needs 25-30 games to get back to the level he was before. It takes a while after doing nothing for 2-3 months.

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25-30 game ramp up...great. Sound concept

How long do you think it takes after not doing anything for 2-3 months? He couldn't do cardio or shoot.

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About 30 minutes to get your shot back and a week or two for conditioning not like he hasn’t been playing basketball most his life

[basketballRob]

25-30 game ramp up...great. Sound concept

How long do you think it takes after not doing anything for 2-3 months? He couldn't do cardio or shoot.

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About 30 minutes to get your shot back and a week or two for conditioning not like he hasn’t been playing basketball most his life

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[KillMonger]

You're lying to yourself if Paolo isn't concerning. I fell for the hype as much as anyone else. Magic overachieved and everyone was on the moon. But the stats and the eye test for his career so far suggest he's simply an inefficient scorer who turns it over at an alarming rate...and doesn't play any defense most of the time. Its not looking great for him to become best player on a championship team.

He is still young though, maybe he becomes a mid range savant and makes some better decisions. We have seen him play composed, it is possible.

still a few years from his prime, i'm still very far from feelings of disappointment especially considering how he started the season....also considering the context of what happened to him, his first ever serious injury....i'll give him some grace before i would say something like "i fell for the hype" as if we were bamboozled or something....to say he doesn't play any defense is hyperbolic

[Skybox]

I agree with OP. Paolo's TS is way down. He probably needs 25-30 games to get back to the level he was before. It takes a while after doing nothing for 2-3 months.

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25-30 game ramp up...great. Sound concept

How long do you think it takes after not doing anything for 2-3 months? He couldn't do cardio or shoot.

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Not 10 weeks

[pepe1991]

I'm hot spotting net from my mobile phone just to write this comment

About TS percentage and scoring efficiency, you can separate low TS players in two major categories:
1) players who's TS is low because they draw very few FTA OR didn't shoot 3s ( or had low 3FGA )
2) players who's TS is low despite drawing lot of fouls


1) Vuc, Fultz, Boozer,Larry Bird ( best example)
Vuc TS was garbage because he both : didn't draw many fouls and didn't shoot 3s.
Fultz thing was talked about too many times to repeat again.
Boozer was mid range shooter on high volume, and rather mediocre FTA ( kind a like Vuc)
Bird played in era where 3 point shots weren't that important, later in his career his TS% got much better, but guy's TS didn't pass 58% Until he was 28. By that point he was two time nba champion, two times finals MVP and two times regular season MVP.



2) This list is is filled with infamous names like Melo, DeRozan, Tracy, Westbrook, Iverson etc.

Those players, at least ones named were REALLY talented basketball players, but some stuff they did in their game held them down.

Derozan shot long 2s despite fact only one step would lead him to 3 point line. Why he struggled so much with 3 point shot? I have no clue.

Tracy, Iverson, versions of Kobe just took most idiotic shots possible. Their decision making reflected that era. Selfish iso ball.

Westbrook just had no talent as shooter, it's crazy that this is his most efficient shooter. If only he figured with Durant how to play off ball, his career would look so much different.


Paolo's problem is complete lack of desire to be part of offense off ball. Kind a like Westbrook, whenever he is on side of the ball, he just sets himself to post up , once he is on other side of a ball, he is "spotting up" but isn't ingaged into anything that happends.

I really want to see him play as rolling big in pick&roll where he can attack missmatch, shoot off curl or cut/pass. But that requires PGs. One we don't have.
Maybe he simply doesn't like to play in such fashion, who knows.

But in general you probably won't be very efficient nba player if 50% of all your shots are mid range shots and you are 39% mid range shooter. WIthin some margins, 39% mid range shooter is upper level scorer.
However, it's sub 0,800 PPP.

And simple math will tell you that shooting 50 mid range shots on 39% accuracy 19,5 shots made = 39 points.
Shooting 50 three point shots on 0,30% accuracy = 15 threes made = 45 points

Basically, having random bum shooting 7% below average for 3 on same volume is more valuable than player making above average clip of mid range shots, because level of difficulty is near same, and reward is 1 point less, over 30-40-50 possessions a game, it stacks against you.

I don't want to trade Paolo, i don't think Melo is garbage , i don't think Tracy is garbage ( despite fact i often tell how overrated he is ) . But most of high volume , low efficiency players who are as talented i mentioned probaly can fix whole lot of their problems by just little tweaks. But yea... most don't because players are egomaniacs who don't like to be told what's wrong with them.

[Last Guardian]

You're lying to yourself if Paolo isn't concerning. I fell for the hype as much as anyone else. Magic overachieved and everyone was on the moon. But the stats and the eye test for his career so far suggest he's simply an inefficient scorer who turns it over at an alarming rate...and doesn't play any defense most of the time. Its not looking great for him to become best player on a championship team.

He is still young though, maybe he becomes a mid range savant and makes some better decisions. We have seen him play composed, it is possible.

I guess I am lying to myself. He is young, has grown every single season, and learning to play after coming back from an injury. He has room to grow and I’m excited to see how he improves.

I didn't say you were lying to yourself if you think he will get better and achieve greatness. You are lying to yourself if you feel no concern for what he's shown so far. I'm officially concerned, but I am not giving up right this moment.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

You're lying to yourself if Paolo isn't concerning. I fell for the hype as much as anyone else. Magic overachieved and everyone was on the moon. But the stats and the eye test for his career so far suggest he's simply an inefficient scorer who turns it over at an alarming rate...and doesn't play any defense most of the time. Its not looking great for him to become best player on a championship team.

He is still young though, maybe he becomes a mid range savant and makes some better decisions. We have seen him play composed, it is possible.

I guess I am lying to myself. He is young, has grown every single season, and learning to play after coming back from an injury. He has room to grow and I’m excited to see how he improves.

I didn't say you were lying to yourself if you think he will get better and achieve greatness. You are lying to yourself if you feel no concern for what he's shown so far. I'm officially concerned, but I am not giving up right this moment.

Concerned for this season, for sure.

[Orlando Dawg]

I think Paulo has become too attached to Anthony Black, like he thinks he’s his mentor or something and now because Anthony Black is almost nothing Paulo wants to show that he can be nothing too and it’s ok.

[Last Guardian]

I think Paulo has become too attached to Anthony Black, like he thinks he’s his mentor or something and now because Anthony Black is almost nothing Paulo wants to show that he can be nothing too and it’s ok.

Boy people are losing their minds.

[eyriq]

I think Paulo has become too attached to Anthony Black, like he thinks he’s his mentor or something and now because Anthony Black is almost nothing Paulo wants to show that he can be nothing too and it’s ok.

Dawg, that's wild.

[eyriq]

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[three3d]

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Want to point out in that clip it’s clear this team is missing veteran leadership to correct course. KD literally told Paolo you go get yourself a house you’re the franchise.

[Skybox]

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Want to point out in that clip it’s clear this team is missing veteran leadership to correct course. KD literally told Paolo you go get yourself a house you’re the franchise.

That's a good point and maybe a reason that we might want to consider CJ McCollum vs Simons, Sexton, Coby, etc. He's a real pro and brings the same on-court attributes...and he's also definitely available. Age is the only real issue but CJ can sling it as well as anyone and he's a very intelligent, mature, articulate leader - who's still really really good (which is important to get the respect of the young players). Jingles was a great presence and mentor, but there's something to be said for "referent authority" which means respect based on recent performance...maybe your point is more significant than it first seems, considering the body language and performance of the whole team lately. KCP just isn't that guy, imo, he's a really good player, and he's been to the mountaintop, but I don't think he's the same kind of vocal guy that can command a locker room.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but is Draymond available? He can be a real jerk, but he'd be our jerk