2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III

[Saberestar]

If not Butler (for Beal) it seems that we are gonna try to get a PF who can help us to improve on the edges and can play some SF too. Length, defense... Gambo says that he will give us some potential names later.

I suspect that we would get that player for Nurkic + FRP. Who can be that player?

Jonathan Isaac would be my first option but I doubt he is on the market without giving up A LOT.

I think the trade Qwigglez talked about
WA: Nurkic FRP from Suns
Lakers: Valuciunis
Suns Vanderbilt and Bey

If the Suns can flip Allen for Gogi -
two smaller margin trades

So you have traded Allen, Okogie, Nurkic and FRP for
Bey, Vanderbilt, Gogi and Richards

About the best you can do over the second apron

EDIT: there goes Valucuinas - to the Kings.

Yeah, that would another solid trade.

Valanciunas out so a trade with the Wizards is more difficult now...or easier...IDK.

[BobbieL]

If not Butler (for Beal) it seems that we are gonna try to get a PF who can help us to improve on the edges and can play some SF too. Length, defense... Gambo says that he will give us some potential names later.

I suspect that we would get that player for Nurkic + FRP. Who can be that player?

Jonathan Isaac would be my first option but I doubt he is on the market without giving up A LOT.

Suns can't acquire Isaac unless Beal is going out. He makes $25 million a year.

Guys on the Heat forum brought up a great point. If we trade them 1 of those crappy UT we got-27 i think....that freestyle them up to trade 3 FRPs to us. Plus they can move JJJ for another. So 4 FRPs and swaps and Jimmy and Jovic.....

Thats not terrible. Especially if we can somehow get Ware out of the deal too.

So you are saying
Suns trade Durant and the Utah 2027
Heat trade Butler, Jovic and three Miami Picks back to Phoenix
Also trade Jaime J for another FRP to add to the Phoenix trade

I would be okay with this - I think
not sure how they get Ware though

[Slim Charless]

Suns can't acquire Isaac unless Beal is going out. He makes $25 million a year.

Guys on the Heat forum brought up a great point. If we trade them 1 of those crappy UT we got-27 i think....that freestyle them up to trade 3 FRPs to us. Plus they can move JJJ for another. So 4 FRPs and swaps and Jimmy and Jovic.....

Thats not terrible. Especially if we can somehow get Ware out of the deal too.

So you are saying
Suns trade Durant and the Utah 2027
Heat trade Butler, Jovic and three Miami Picks back to Phoenix
Also trade Jaime J for another FRP to add to the Phoenix trade

I would be okay with this - I think
not sure how they get Ware though

Basically. Plus some SRPs and swaps

[Ghost of Kleine]

Not trading at this point is stupid. We’ve all seen what the current Phoenix suns team is capable of and it’s a Jurassic park size soft serve of triceratops dung. Suns need to make a move. Ishbia ain’t rebuilding.

and making a stupid trade for Butler - that won't do a damn thing but maybe make the play-in game but at what cost - would be stupider

I get the Butler is a better fit than Beal - but at what cost. The Suns aren't winning a title. Hell, they won't make it out of the 2nd round

I wouldn't worry too much about the Butler trade situation as there's simply no mechanisms available for us to even trade for Butler without Beal being willing to waive his no trade clause, which everyone for whatever reasons sidesteps ( NBA pundits/ media/ bloggers/ etc) and it seems that people forget that makes 90% of the trades discussed a non starter!

On top of that, with KD saying that he doesn't want to be traded, and reports saying that the Suns aren't trading him now, then there's really no way a big trade will even happen now.


What were left looking at will be a smaller trade or two with our front office saying something along the lines of " we still feel good about where we are and our chances in the postseason! And that they chose to just work on the margins and reassess our outcome, etc in the summer.

[Qwigglez]

KD for Butler and Jovic doesn't even work because those two combined makes more than KD.
But KD for Butler work, and then Grayson Allen for Jovic, Ware, and JJJ and KLove work.

Would the Heat be interested in parting with their younger players for KD?

[KLEON]

Zach Collins is available

[Frank Lee]

Anyone surprised with the lack of real
options to make a deal? This is the byproduct of
Mr WinNowSmartestManInTheRoom’s brash initial behavior.

This F-n tool is now seeing the realities of his name chasing shopping sprees. There is a difference between not wanting to trade and unable to trade.

Well get the spin from this absentee owner about how hard they are trying to make this a better team, he’ll suck Beal’s azz and tell us how happy he is the Bradder is still here, along with KD… everything is just fine… and at least 21 teams would rather trade places

[Ghost of Kleine]

Grayson Allen for Goga Bitaze
Jusuf Nurkic and Suns 1st to Wizards, Jonas Valanciunas to Lakers, Vanderbilt, Bey to Suns.

Suns get much larger, hopefully Bey is able to come back soon and help contribute some points off the bench. Vanderbilt to help defensively as well and provide more length. Suns get much younger as well, all three of these guys are 25 years old.

Pretty solid honestly man! And although I'd think it's important to have a big,physical , center like Valuncias just to bang against other hig centers like Adam's and Edey, etc. Getting Vanderbilt would be huge towards giving us a bigger lockdown wing/ forward defender who can play defense and rebound.

[BobbieL]

Anyone surprised with the lack of real
options to make a deal? This is the byproduct of
Mr WinNowSmartestManInTheRoom’s brash initial behavior.

This F-n tool is now seeing the realities of his name chasing shopping sprees. There is a difference between not wanting to trade and unable to trade.

Well get the spin from this absentee owner about how hard they are trying to make this a better team, he’ll suck Beal’s azz and tell us how happy he is the Bradder is still here, along with KD… everything is just fine… and at least 21 teams would rather trade places

The Suns being over the second apron with the new CBA has really hampered the way they can do business

And if they have a big 3 making a lot of money - it will continue

[Qwigglez]

Zach Collins is available

Not the best name out there, but different kind of player than Nick Richards and Mason Plumlee. I'd take him for Nurkic if all other trade targets are gone.

[TeamTragic]

Val just moved to the Kings. Warriors trying to get Butler again

[Kobewade11]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6106103/2025/02/02/jimmy-butler-trade-destinations-warriors-bucks-sixers-suns/

Miami will just have to learn to accept Beal and come to the realization no FA is coming to them 2026 and beyond anyways.

Has reality sunk in yet?

[BobbieL]

KD for Butler and Jovic doesn't even work because those two combined makes more than KD.
But KD for Butler work, and then Grayson Allen for Jovic, Ware, and JJJ and KLove work.

Would the Heat be interested in parting with their younger players for KD?

I have been using Spotrac trade machine and I can't even get KD for Butler to work

Its really hard for a Suns trade to work because of the second apron

[Slim Charless]

KD for Butler and Jovic doesn't even work because those two combined makes more than KD.
But KD for Butler work, and then Grayson Allen for Jovic, Ware, and JJJ and KLove work.

Would the Heat be interested in parting with their younger players for KD?

I have been using Spotrac trade machine and I can't even get KD for Butler to work

Its really hard for a Suns trade to work because of the second apron

We're allowed to do 2 separate transactions. Jimmy for KD and picks. Then like Nurk for Jovic, Ware and Jamie.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Barry Jackson from the MiamiHerald

So Butler, Jovic, one first-rounder, two second-rounders and pick swaps appears to be best HYPOTHETICAL Miami offer for KD. Heat obviously would love Durant. Durant has player option for 2026-27. Do you that if you're the Heat?

That offer wouldn't even get close to what'd be needed to get KD for his value in contrast to Butler and Beal, even at his older age, etc. Honestly, at a minimum it would have had to have been something like Butler/ Jovic/ 2 firsts ( 29' and 31st).

[TeamTragic]

What a boring deadline. Nothing happening.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Zach Collins is available

Not the best name out there, but different kind of player than Nick Richards and Mason Plumlee. I'd take him for Nurkic if all other trade targets are gone.

Is he/ would he be all that different than Olynyk though? Which should come cheaper or without adding any assets, etc?

[BobbieL]

Zach Collins is available

Not the best name out there, but different kind of player than Nick Richards and Mason Plumlee. I'd take him for Nurkic if all other trade targets are gone.

Would save Ishbia a bunch of cash
similar salaries next year

[BobbieL]

KD for Butler and Jovic doesn't even work because those two combined makes more than KD.
But KD for Butler work, and then Grayson Allen for Jovic, Ware, and JJJ and KLove work.

Would the Heat be interested in parting with their younger players for KD?

I have been using Spotrac trade machine and I can't even get KD for Butler to work

Its really hard for a Suns trade to work because of the second apron

We're allowed to do 2 separate transactions. Jimmy for KD and picks. Then like Nurk for Jovic, Ware and Jamie.

Okay -- now the Real GM Trade Checker - both of those work
thanks

[SunsRback4Good]

What a boring deadline. Nothing happening.

It’s so boring that I only saved 10 dollars on my car insurance by switching to geico.