Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st

[SFour]

Excellent trade! This is the type of buy low trades that could win big with moderate risk. Now when we draft Ace Bailey we will essentially have 3 BIs on the team lol

and then you can make more trades......it's generally accepted on here that RJ will eventually be traded for an upgrade

I think IQ is a candidate too. Whoever of the 2 nets us the better return, in my opinion

for sure IQ as well.....just build up IQ/RJ as assets, even Ingram can be built up. Once a superstar is on the market you can attempt a trade. This roster is far from final.

[WuTang_CMB]

running the Lakers is a much easier job than the Raptors.....one has stars flocking to it and the other doesn't

Rob Pelinka saved his job by being best friends with an idiot

I said the same thing and he pulled off Mark Williams’s.

hope his back holds up
but that deal was major overpay

[Kreamy]

The strange part is, Raptors didn't want to give Siakam the Max and he's a better player but they are seemingly willing to give BI the max which makes very little sense to me. Yes he's three years younger but BI's max this summer is like 5 years $270 million.

Ingram is not getting the max. He's also younger than Siakam and a much better fit next to Scottie. The Pistons should have been all over this trade. No need to be bitter

[Badonkadonk]

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FFS WHYYYYYY

Pacers currently have a top-10 record in the NBA. Even if it were mid-teens, you don't trade that for Ingram? It was the only valuable aspect of the deal for the Pels, I think the Raps did great from a value perspective, especially if you place this deal in the context of the overall Pascal trade.

Not sure about fit and how it'll work on the court, but a no brainer from a talent and asset management perspective.

[hyper316]

Don't like this trade, not healthy. Trade him next year

[PushDaRock]

Also he never fit with Zion, and while Barnes and Zion are different, we're still talking about PFs who can't really shoot as their co-star.

I watched a decent amount of NO games and I feel like Zion doesn't really mesh with anyone, he just does his own thing and puts up monster stats.

Whereas someone like Barnes is moving the ball and trying to get teammates involved. I think he'll have much better chemistry playing with Scottie.

Zion has been hurt enough that we can see what Ingram is like without him. It's still classic "doesn't understand modern shot selection, too many long 2s" stuff.

The more I look at it, the more I think this is a gamble on Ingram needing to play in Darko's "0.5 offense" and hoping that will turn him into a more efficient offensive player.

I see these teams like Memphis and OKC and their wings mostly look like and play like football players, and RJ/Dick/Ingram give off more of a runway model/pole vaulter slenderman vibe. And I think that hurts you on defence a lot.

That's likely the thought process. RJ has gone from an inefficient chucker to league average efficiency as a Raptor. Ingram is very talented and if they can remove some of the bad shots he takes, the ability is probably there for him to be a 60+ TS% guy especially on this team where he wouldn't be carrying the offensive scoring load by himself.

[bon]

Of course there’s people crying about the Pacers pick after saying it wasn’t good value for the past year

[Psubs]

Get him to extend instead of going to FA.

[tms]

Solid deal. I'll miss BB and KO cuz they set a good example in a tough situation. But it's basically Ingram for another team's FRP- which was never gonna result in a player better than Ingram. So the tank rolls on, we've added some upside, and we're still poised to turn the corner soon. Good job Bobby

[Jeremy Lin 7]

Considering the value Masai gave up this trade is a W

Fit and contract extension is another topic of conversation. Let's be honest we were doing nothing with Kelly O and Bruce Brown long term. The only "real" value was a 2026 first round pick projected to be in the teens. Who knows what this team will look like in 2 years.

[DelAbbot]

I think we're going to offer him a 2+1 that is non-guaranteed in the final 2 years with games played stipulations

why would he accept that? he's a pending FA and will try to secure as big and long a contract as possible considering his injury history

[ontnut]

I don't love Ingram, and I would've preferred we kept the IND pick because I am one of those who are quite down on Indy. That said, the pick was likely in the 15 range ish at best (unless of course IND wins the lotto). As long as the protections are there against top 4 lotto win, the cost isn't that high.

The fit...it's not perfect, but there's no arguing that Ingram increases our talent level. He's still young enough that he can be traded again down the line if things don't work out.

Getting Ingram for spare parts,which we were not really getting much for, or in Olynyk's case, maybe have to pay to get off him, a (protected) 1st, and a 2nd is hard to argue against in terms of sheer acquisition cost. The big question as noted in the thread is what we will be paying to keep him around. If it's $35m per, fine. If we're going into $40m territory...I'll feel less good about it.

At the end of the day, we came out ahead, in theory, on the Siakam trade. I kinda view this in the light of the Norm trade, where we got a "similar" player (at the time), in GTJ who was several years younger. Ingram can do 85% of what Siakam can, and then on top of that we got some depth and picks we used to round out our roster with young talent. Given that I've always said we're not an organization that full on tanks, esp not for multiple years, I think what we got NET out of the OG/Siakam trades, you cannot be upset.

[Yeezus_]

We kept the Blazers pick? Bless

[DreamTeam09]

This is not the same thing as having OG and Siakam.

OG i would have kept if I could but it was time to move on and he didnt wanna stay.

We have younger players that are similar in talent with a better Scottie as well as better supporting cast that should improve next season + we can have a player as good if not better than Scottie in this draft. This is not the same thing as when OG and Siakam were here, not even close.

Especially seeing how both Pascal and Barnes are better optimized at the 4 spot and OG at the 3 spot. RJ Ingram Barnes fit better than OG Barnes Pascal

[Scase]

That's because some of us thinks Ingram is good when healthy, his offensive game adds to what we are missing at a position of need.

He has literally never been healthy, outside of his rookie year, what part of that do you not comprehend? Our core 3 scorers are 55, 56, and 53% TS% players, when were we missing inefficient scorers, cause I'm pretty sure we've had those for years.

Im not saying its a guarantee but we do have one of the better health guys in the league. Worked with shaq to keep him healthy in phoenix before joining the raps, kept kawai healthy and playing. No guarantees but if our training/medical staff can keep him healthy and rest him accordingly maybe he can be more reliable

Never worked for OG, hasn't worked for IQ this year, didn't work for BB. By the time Shaq joined PHO he had played 16 seasons, in those 16 seasons he had 4 that were under 60 games played. Ingram is in his 9th, and he's already had 4, with a 5th on the way. Shaq was also 300lbs on a good day, these are not the same situations, we don't have a magic medical staff.

I watched a decent amount of NO games and I feel like Zion doesn't really mesh with anyone, he just does his own thing and puts up monster stats.

Whereas someone like Barnes is moving the ball and trying to get teammates involved. I think he'll have much better chemistry playing with Scottie.

Zion has been hurt enough that we can see what Ingram is like without him. It's still classic "doesn't understand modern shot selection, too many long 2s" stuff.

The more I look at it, the more I think this is a gamble on Ingram needing to play in Darko's "0.5 offense" and hoping that will turn him into a more efficient offensive player.

I see these teams like Memphis and OKC and their wings mostly look like and play like football players, and RJ/Dick/Ingram give off more of a runway model/pole vaulter slenderman vibe. And I think that hurts you on defence a lot.

That's likely the thought process. RJ has gone from an inefficient chucker to league average efficiency as a Raptor. Ingram is very talented and if they can remove some of the bad shots he takes, the ability is probably there for him to be a 60+ TS% guy especially on this team where he wouldn't be carrying the offensive scoring load by himself.

55% TS% is not league average efficiency. 55.4% is league average for a point guard. The lowest of all the positions.

[AbC?]

Ingram's been available for 67% of regular season games since his rookie year.

He was "cheap" to acquire because he's a pending free agent, constantly injured and you have to pay him around 35 million dollars to keep him past this season. And even when he does play, he's a fringe low tier star caliber guy, not a huge ceiling raiser for this mediocre group we have.

It seems like the end game for Masai is to get to that coveted 6-10 range as early as next season, and even in that context it's just an okay move just because he probably misses a good chunk of time like he does every season.

Accept that this franchise operates likes the Kings/Hawks/Bulls/Pacers. The goal is to get back to around 44-51 wins every year, stay under the tax to collect luxury tax share, make some playoff gate money and appeal to the casual fan. There is no mandate to win a championship.

[DelAbbot]

We added a borderline All Star averaging 22 pts a game...for 1 1st and cap filler.

We traded away a borderline All Star averaging 22 pts a game for 3 1sts and cap filler.

That's a tidy piece of work

Please just take a look at his games played over the past years, and how badly he chokes during crunch time.

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We have Barnes, Ingram, RJ, Quickley, Barrett, Dick who can all be used during crunch time lol. We’re not going have to rely on one guy.

RJ, BI, IQ don't complement each other on offense

[HumbleRen]

Can’t be mad at it, we gave up basically nothing but a mid to late 20’s pick.

I don’t trust his health but I rather do this trade then let BB walk for nothing or keep Kelly at that contract.

[LoveMyRaps]

Ingram's been available for 67% of regular season games since his rookie year.

He was "cheap" to acquire because he's a pending free agent, constantly injured and you have to pay him around 35 million dollars to keep him past this season. And even when he does play, he's a fringe low tier star caliber guy, not a huge ceiling raiser for this mediocre group we have.

It seems like the end game for Masai is to get to that coveted 6-10 range as early as next season, and even in that context it's just an okay move just because he might just get injured again next season.

Accept that this franchise operates likes the Kings/Hawks/Bulls/Pacers. The goal is to get back to around 44-51 wins every year, stay under the tax to collect luxury tax share, make some playoff gate money and appeal to the casual fan. There is no mandate to win a championship.

We have the pieces to trade for a superstar if one becomes available.
Masai is stacking up on talent right now.

Let's say Booker becomes available - IQ + Barrett + Dick/Walter + Draft Picks gets us a core of Booker/Ingram/Barnes/Maluach

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Do we have details on the picks?!

2031 raptors 2nd
and pacers 1st (top 4 protected 2026 rolls over to top 4 protected 2027 otherwise 2nds) (no reports on if the raptors modified the protections on this)

I thought it was the Portland srp. This makes the deal even better.