Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st

[Mattatron]

Not the Indy pick ! Ha. It's juicy.

Well 3 factors for me,

What did we give up? The only asset was that Indy pick. I don't like giving up 1sts so we'll see.

Now, what do we sign him to and do we tank out the rest of the season?

Good news is we could very well be a playoff team next year

If the Pacers lose Turner they could be really bad. There aren't a lot of stretch Cs out there so there's potential for a bidding war.

The chance of that happening is lesser than keeping Ingram. We got a former all star that's just entering his prime for scraps and a mid first.

The worst case scenario is we can trade him for a better pick later. I see us load managing him while he's with us and saving him for the playoffs. He's a championship caliber first option.

Rashard Lewis was a All Star too, was he good or had any Impact ? No. Same goes for Kemba, Iso Joe and Ingram. A All Star Vote is a popularity Vote. Even Zaza was basically voted as an All Star. Ingram is not that good, he's a slightly upgrade compared to RJ. And now we have to find a way to trade Barrett. That's just weird.

"He's a championship caliber first option."

[RealFaction]

They wouldn't trade for him without discussing his contract. Either way we have his bird right and could bid more than anyone else, but at a certain point you have to cut your losses.

I wonder who the fourth option will end up being. It's most likely Barnes which signifies to me we're done with him jacking up 3s and being a scorer.

Ingram, Barrett, IQ, Barnes and finally Poeltl. This move also pushes Barnes into being a PF. I can sense Masai and Bobby have given up on him being an oversized guard. I don't blame them his shot, handle, and creation ability suck.

Thank god

best part of this season is the fanbase realizing who he really is.

If Barnes = Mobley
IQ and Barret = Garland
Then this is our Allen trade

We need to get our Donovan Mitchell too

Isn't Poeltl supposed to be Allen? Ingram's a scorer, so he's our Mitchell for now unless we end up top 4 in the draft.

[TheRaptor!]

They wouldn't trade for him without discussing his contract. Either way we have his bird right and could bid more than anyone else, but at a certain point you have to cut your losses.

I wonder who the fourth option will end up being. It's most likely Barnes which signifies to me we're done with him jacking up 3s and being a scorer.

Ingram, Barrett, IQ, Barnes and finally Poeltl. This move also pushes Barnes into being a PF. I can sense Masai and Bobby have given up on him being an oversized guard. I don't blame them his shot, handle, and creation ability suck.

Thank god

best part of this season is the fanbase realizing who he really is.

If Barnes = Mobley
IQ and Barret = Garland
Then this is our Allen trade

We need to get our Donovan Mitchell too

Isn't Poeltl supposed to be Allen? Ingram's a scorer, so he's our Mitchell for now unless we end up top 4 in the draft.

I'm not comparing positions, more so how the team is built and their level as players today. Basically we need one more player on Mitchell's level.

We have the assets to acquire that guy the next time there is a disgruntled star. Perhaps Booker.

[TheRaptor!]

Not the Indy pick ! Ha. It's juicy.

Well 3 factors for me,

What did we give up? The only asset was that Indy pick. I don't like giving up 1sts so we'll see.

Now, what do we sign him to and do we tank out the rest of the season?

Good news is we could very well be a playoff team next year

If the Pacers lose Turner they could be really bad. There aren't a lot of stretch Cs out there so there's potential for a bidding war.

The chance of that happening is lesser than keeping Ingram. We got a former all star that's just entering his prime for scraps and a mid first.

The worst case scenario is we can trade him for a better pick later. I see us load managing him while he's with us and saving him for the playoffs. He's a championship caliber first option.

Rashard Lewis was a All Star too, was he good or had any Impact ? No. Same goes for Kemba, Iso Joe and Ingram. A All Star Vote is a popularity Vote. Even Zaza was basically voted as an All Star. Ingram is not that good, he's a slightly upgrade compared to RJ. And now we have to find a way to trade Barrett. That's just weird.

"He's a championship caliber first option."

I agree partially with u, but we so desperately need a pure scorer like Ingram since Kawhi left. He is the best pure scorer we've had minus Kawhi the past...like 20 years

He fits our needs to a T. Considering how Barnes dont want to be that guy and prefers to pass, we need a go-to iso finisher, none of the share the ball bs.

[RealFaction]

Thank god

best part of this season is the fanbase realizing who he really is.

If Barnes = Mobley
IQ and Barret = Garland
Then this is our Allen trade

We need to get our Donovan Mitchell too

Isn't Poeltl supposed to be Allen? Ingram's a scorer, so he's our Mitchell for now unless we end up top 4 in the draft.

I'm not comparing positions, more so how the team is built and their level as players today. Basically we need one more player on Mitchell's level.

We have the assets to acquire that guy the next time there is a disgruntled star. Perhaps Booker.

Right. I much prefer Booker to Ingram if we're trying to build this team with Barnes, but the cost would be sky high. I don't like Ingram, but we'll see how he adjusts to the team going forward.

[Brinbe]

yeah, in terms of a re-sign, I really don't think it'll be a problem.

Read on Twitter

they probably approached BI or his reps when the pels were in town the other week and got a feel for if he'd like it here and when he said yes, they made the moves to get it done.

[Duffman100]

yeah, in terms of a re-sign, I really don't think it'll be a problem.

Read on Twitter

they probably approached BI or his reps when the pels were in town the other week and got a feel for if he'd like it here and when he said yes, they made the moves to get it done.

There are worse things than having 4 guys in the SL who can drop 20 any given night.

[Mattatron]

If the Pacers lose Turner they could be really bad. There aren't a lot of stretch Cs out there so there's potential for a bidding war.

The chance of that happening is lesser than keeping Ingram. We got a former all star that's just entering his prime for scraps and a mid first.

The worst case scenario is we can trade him for a better pick later. I see us load managing him while he's with us and saving him for the playoffs. He's a championship caliber first option.

Rashard Lewis was a All Star too, was he good or had any Impact ? No. Same goes for Kemba, Iso Joe and Ingram. A All Star Vote is a popularity Vote. Even Zaza was basically voted as an All Star. Ingram is not that good, he's a slightly upgrade compared to RJ. And now we have to find a way to trade Barrett. That's just weird.

"He's a championship caliber first option."

I agree partially with u, but we so desperately need a pure scorer like Ingram since Kawhi left. He is the best pure scorer we've had minus Kawhi the past...like 20 years

He fits our needs to a T. Considering how Barnes dont want to be that guy and prefers to pass, we need a go-to iso finisher, none of the share the ball bs.

I fully agree with you on that, Ingram has a nice offensive arsenal, much better than RJ's, but imo Barrett has to go now, to make it work, the roster right now is unbalanced, 3 out 5 starters are pure offensive players. Barrett needs to be traded for a defensive minded shooter who don't need the ball in his hands all the time.

[junot111]

Not the Indy pick ! Ha. It's juicy.

Well 3 factors for me,

What did we give up? The only asset was that Indy pick. I don't like giving up 1sts so we'll see.

Now, what do we sign him to and do we tank out the rest of the season?

Good news is we could very well be a playoff team next year

If the Pacers lose Turner they could be really bad. There aren't a lot of stretch Cs out there so there's potential for a bidding war.

The chance of that happening is lesser than keeping Ingram. We got a former all star that's just entering his prime for scraps and a mid first.

The worst case scenario is we can trade him for a better pick later. I see us load managing him while he's with us and saving him for the playoffs. He's a championship caliber first option.

Rashard Lewis was a All Star too, was he good or had any Impact ? No. Same goes for Kemba, Iso Joe and Ingram. A All Star Vote is a popularity Vote. Even Zaza was basically voted as an All Star. Ingram is not that good, he's a slightly upgrade compared to RJ. And now we have to find a way to trade Barrett. That's just weird.

"He's a championship caliber first option."

What are you talking about? Ingram was a reserve voted by coaches, it had nothing to do with popularity. When Rashad Lewis made the asg in 2009 he was Orlando's second leading scorer on a team that went to the finals... What a random thing to say lol

[ArthurVandelay]

Rashard Lewis was a All Star too, was he good or had any Impact ? No. Same goes for Kemba, Iso Joe and Ingram. A All Star Vote is a popularity Vote. Even Zaza was basically voted as an All Star. Ingram is not that good, he's a slightly upgrade compared to RJ. And now we have to find a way to trade Barrett. That's just weird.

"He's a championship caliber first option."

I agree partially with u, but we so desperately need a pure scorer like Ingram since Kawhi left. He is the best pure scorer we've had minus Kawhi the past...like 20 years

He fits our needs to a T. Considering how Barnes dont want to be that guy and prefers to pass, we need a go-to iso finisher, none of the share the ball bs.

I fully agree with you on that, Ingram has a nice offensive arsenal, much better than RJ's, but imo Barrett has to go now, to make it work, the roster right now is unbalanced, 3 out 5 starters are pure offensive players. Barrett needs to be traded for a defensive minded shooter who don't need the ball in his hands all the time.

RJ going to make a killer 6th man

[TheRaptor!]

Rashard Lewis was a All Star too, was he good or had any Impact ? No. Same goes for Kemba, Iso Joe and Ingram. A All Star Vote is a popularity Vote. Even Zaza was basically voted as an All Star. Ingram is not that good, he's a slightly upgrade compared to RJ. And now we have to find a way to trade Barrett. That's just weird.

"He's a championship caliber first option."

I agree partially with u, but we so desperately need a pure scorer like Ingram since Kawhi left. He is the best pure scorer we've had minus Kawhi the past...like 20 years

He fits our needs to a T. Considering how Barnes dont want to be that guy and prefers to pass, we need a go-to iso finisher, none of the share the ball bs.

I fully agree with you on that, Ingram has a nice offensive arsenal, much better than RJ's, but imo Barrett has to go now, to make it work, the roster right now is unbalanced, 3 out 5 starters are pure offensive players. Barrett needs to be traded for a defensive minded shooter who don't need the ball in his hands all the time.

I'm personally hoping he would take a step back, focus his energy on D and become a slasher + 3 pt corner shooter (3-4th) option. Hes been better on D as of late and he certainly has the size and strength, maybe hes being asked to do too much at the moment without IQ.

[Brinbe]

yeah, in terms of a re-sign, I really don't think it'll be a problem.

Read on Twitter

they probably approached BI or his reps when the pels were in town the other week and got a feel for if he'd like it here and when he said yes, they made the moves to get it done.

There are worse things than having 4 guys in the SL who can drop 20 any given night.

Yep. No harm in seeing how it all works out next season. Even if/when they re-sign BI and bring him back there's lots of optionality with that group going forward if it doesn't work out. Those contracts will be tradeable/combinable. Hardly a bad place to be when the majority of these guys are still likely to get better plus the prospect of adding a top 10 pick at the very least plus Portland's 2nd rounder.

They really turned Bruce Brown and Kelly's O deal into something useful.

[TheRaptor!]

I agree partially with u, but we so desperately need a pure scorer like Ingram since Kawhi left. He is the best pure scorer we've had minus Kawhi the past...like 20 years

He fits our needs to a T. Considering how Barnes dont want to be that guy and prefers to pass, we need a go-to iso finisher, none of the share the ball bs.

I fully agree with you on that, Ingram has a nice offensive arsenal, much better than RJ's, but imo Barrett has to go now, to make it work, the roster right now is unbalanced, 3 out 5 starters are pure offensive players. Barrett needs to be traded for a defensive minded shooter who don't need the ball in his hands all the time.

RJ going to make a killer 6th man

He can start and close, but can also stagger the line ups so he can get his scoring numbers up when playing with the bench as the first option, and switch to a 3+D player when playing with BI

[The Duke]

I wouldn’t have done this deal.

Giving up a 1st rounder for an expiring contract (in a tank year) and maybe continuing to sit him doesn’t sound great. He is not signed to next year period. I don’t care if there was “good initial extension talks”. Bro could come here and be depressed in the winter time and say ‘imma take my talents to the south’

[bonjovi0308]

That was a different time.

Refs are no longer bailing players out with the whistle. It’s become more physical and Ingram has shown that he can’t handle it.

Scottie takes plays off every game because he’s frustrated with the refs.

I can see Ingram wilting under the pressure.

Idk how I feel about the deal yet, but to be fair he was very injured in this series. Had just come back from a long injury right before the playoffs and it was pretty known that he was not even close to 100%

Luka was hobbling on a sprained calf strain all of last seasons playoffs.

They went to the finals.

A lot of players can make excuses but the best players find a way to play decent when it matters.

Kawhi was limping after that Bucks series. He still put up amazing numbers.

I can keep going.

Obviously stupid take because you think such stars grow on trees and they all dying coming to Toronto

[bonjovi0308]

What is the 2nd round pick given up?

[Duffman100]

I wouldn’t have done this deal.

Giving up a 1st rounder for an expiring contract (in a tank year) and maybe continuing to sit him doesn’t sound great. He is not signed to next year period. I don’t care if there was “good initial extension talks”. Bro could come here and be depressed in the winter time and say ‘imma take my talents to the south’

What if he signs the deal?

[Los_29]

I wouldn’t have done this deal.

Giving up a 1st rounder for an expiring contract (in a tank year) and maybe continuing to sit him doesn’t sound great. He is not signed to next year period. I don’t care if there was “good initial extension talks”. Bro could come here and be depressed in the winter time and say ‘imma take my talents to the south’

I highly doubt they don’t have some kind of agreement in place just like with IQ.

From a value perspective it’s an excellent deal. We were able to take advantage of the Pelicans poor cap management and gain a good asset who can score in a variety of ways.

If this team continues to tank and they land a top 10 pick this team could look very, very good next year. Lots of talent.

[Los Manos]

Good buy low talent trade - B+ for me.

Ingram is a bucket (when healthy), doesn’t turn 28 until September and the tank continues to maximise our lottery pick this year. Brown as an expiring wasn’t coming back and i’d rather have Kelly’s dollars going to BI as part of his extension for next season.

BI fits our timeline to be competitive following this year’s draft. It is a sizable talent injection that won’t hurt the tank but adds a scorer for the next 2-3 years as we look to be competitive.

I don’t see any downside here and the fear of trading a 2026 Indiana 1st that is likely going to be in the late teens / early twenties is not a good enough reason to not pull the trigger.

Comparing our current roster / talent situation to 14 months ago is night and day. Now finish the job, get that top 5 pick this draft and we’ll be going into next season with a lot of optimism that we can make real noise.

[bonjovi0308]

I like this trade. Everyone with a brain knows this team if healthy right off the gate, is not a playin team but a playoff team. We are being blessed by God for a high draft pick in 2025, but it will be a unlikely repeat next season. Assuming we did not make any trades, next season our roster will be
Barnes
Jakob
RJ
DICK
Quickley
Mogbo
Jakobe
Battle
Shead
2025 1st rd pick
2025 2nd rd pick

There's already 11 players here, and obviously someone cannot be regular because teams usually play 9 players every game.

It's time to cash in some future picks to upgrade the roster.