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2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV

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Post#21 » by BobbieL » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:17 pm

Slim Charless wrote:Also Gambo, Scoop and Flex are awfully quiet. Those 3 clowns had no idea this was coming. Insiders my ass.


Flex and I had a twitter exchange last night

He was like "Butler really wanted Phoenix - he really did"

And I replied "Butler just wanted a team to give him 121/2"

He tried so hard to make it seem like Butler was wanting Phoenix for the right reasons and ONLY until Phoenix was not an option did he take the GSW offer. But he really wanted Phoenix. Or some BS like that

Flex posted that now he can say the truth "Riley didn't want to send Butler to Phoenix out of spite to Butler"

or maybe Flex -- Riley didn't want Beals contract!
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#22 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:19 pm

The two trades that I really want to see are:

1- Nurkic/ CLE 1st to New York for Robinson/ Kolek/ Dadiet.

2- Allen to Toronto for Boucher/ Agbaji/ Mogbo.

Then trade Tyus for multiple 2nds either to Orlando or San Antonio. And then package our TPE and one of those 2nds to Milwaukee for Gary Trent Jr?
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#23 » by King4Day » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:20 pm

Nothing we can do now, but I fully believe this offseason to be the one where Ishbia is finally convinced this doesn't work and we need to get under the 2nd apron before our picks freeze. I THINK we can salvage that aspect if we get under for next season.

KD has to go. Much as I hate to say it, they should ask him where he'd be comfortable going. Talk to those teams and if the value they offer isn't good, then I start ask the league what they'd offer.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#24 » by King4Day » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:22 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:The two trades that I really want to see are:

1- Nurkic/ CLE 1st to New York for Robinson/ Kolek/ Dadiet.

2- Allen to Toronto for Boucher/ Agbaji/ Mogbo.

Then trade Tyus for multiple 2nds either to Orlando or San Antonio. And then package our TPE and one of those 2nds to Milwaukee for Gary Trent Jr?


I could get on board with the Knicks trade (I think the best we could get is Nurk/1st for Mitch and fillers).

Not familiar with the Toronto guys. If we're trading Allen, unless we could get Goga, I would prefer picks if a team would offer them.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#25 » by King4Day » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:23 pm

One reason all of this hurts is because losing leads to nothing.
If we had our picks, I'd actually be thrilled with last night's loss, and any forthcoming loss.

Instead, each loss gets us closer to making Houston the next Celtics (Nets awful trade gave Boston Tatum and Brown DIRECTLY)
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Post#26 » by Saberestar » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:29 pm

Grayson Allen for Bobby Portis probably makes sense for both teams and we could play bigger starting KD at the 3.
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Post#27 » by schnakenpopanz » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:30 pm

What really really hurts is that the suns traded their future, their heart and soul for 2 maybe 3 years of relevance and got steamrolled by th young teams whod did this the right way.
Suns used to be on the track of the Rockets/Thunder 4 years ago. A youg exciting core with veterans mostly drafted by them.
And they decided to do the dumb Nets way with KG/Pierce etc.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#28 » by bullsaficianado » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:32 pm

Maybe the Bucks will decide to trade us Giannis for Durant today. :) just a Luka trade joke.
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Post#29 » by King4Day » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:34 pm

Saberestar wrote:Grayson Allen for Bobby Portis probably makes sense for both teams and we could play bigger starting KD at the 3.


We'd need picks coming back in a deal like that. Portis isn't the same player he was a few years ago.

Thing is, it doesn't matter anymore. Would rather get picks or a young player (like Goga) in exchange instead of a player who might be help a lil bit.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#30 » by handsome salary » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:39 pm

I'm in the trade Booker camp. He can score mid range shots well when not double teamed. That's about it on the guy. Mediocre defender/playmaker, terrible leader. No threat from deep, driving or posting up. Bland as a bar of soap. He had his chances to be the biggest dog ever on the Suns and choked.
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Post#31 » by schnakenpopanz » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:42 pm

If you have a penchant for masochism, go to the trade thread when Kevin Durant was traded 2 years ago. It's funny how it was clear what was going to happen, but some didn't want to admit it.
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Post#32 » by King4Day » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:43 pm

Trading KD for a haul with some returning salary getting routed elsewhere is the key. Houston, if they would give us our picks back, could be something.

Best I can find to get the lesser of their young players:

https://www.espn.com/nba/trademachine?tradeId=2burrag3

Rockets get:

KD

Suns get:

Brooks
Smith
Sheppard (not sure if he's any good or if Houston would trade him)
Picks.

If they don't want to trade him, maybe they can send Jock and a minimum type player over. 4 for 1. Salaries work (we'd save around 8mil).
Then we can see what we can get for Brooks if we don't want to keep him. Waive Jock.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#33 » by Ghost of Kleine » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:46 pm

King4Day wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:The two trades that I really want to see are:

1- Nurkic/ CLE 1st to New York for Robinson/ Kolek/ Dadiet.

2- Allen to Toronto for Boucher/ Agbaji/ Mogbo.

Then trade Tyus for multiple 2nds either to Orlando or San Antonio. And then package our TPE and one of those 2nds to Milwaukee for Gary Trent Jr?


I could get on board with the Knicks trade (I think the best we could get is Nurk/1st for Mitch and fillers).

Not familiar with the Toronto guys. If we're trading Allen, unless we could get Goga, I would prefer picks if a team would offer them.


Boucher is a skinny 6'9 wing forward that's lanky and can hit threes ok and block some shots. Ochai Agbaji is a really athletic 6'6 3 pt shooting wing gunner that's also a good shot blocker due to his wingspan and his defensive timing/ anticipation.

And Mogbo is actually a 6'9 225 lbs jumbo wing/ forward with a 7'4 wingspan that is elite defensively, a monster rebounding machine has some ball handling and advanced playmaking skills. Very few people know much about him, but he's a mix of Draymond Green and Precious Achiuwa. Kind of a 6'9 Green. 17% offensive rebounding, 31% defensive rebounding % rate, 22% assist rate, 27% steal rate, 1.1 block per 24, 67.8TS%, 12.9 BPM.

According to recent analysis, Jonathan Mogbo is considered to be an elite defender, particularly praised for his versatility, ability to guard multiple positions, and impactful defensive playmaking, often excelling in switching onto different types of players while maintaining strong rebounding and deflection rates, making him a valuable asset on the court despite potentially being undersized at times; this is especially evident in his current role with the Toronto Raptors where he is seen as a key contributor to their defensive scheme. 

Key points about Mogbo's defensive strengths:

Versatility:

Can guard multiple positions from guards to big men due to his quick feet and good understanding of the game developed from playing as a guard earlier in his career. 

Active hands:

High steal and deflection rates thanks to his long wingspan and ability to read passing lanes. 

Strong rebounding:

Despite being undersized, Mogbo is a tenacious rebounder due to his effort and positioning. 

Switch defense:

Capable of switching effectively onto different types of players, including guards and bigger forwards, making him a valuable asset in modern basketball. 
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#34 » by King4Day » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:49 pm

With the talk that Houston wouldn't dip into their young players unless it means Booker is coming over.
I don't know which players they'd be open to moving, but I would really try working with this instead.

Houston gets:

Booker

Suns get:

Brooks
Smith
Thompson
Picks

https://www.espn.com/nba/trademachine?tradeId=2burrag3


Since I assume Thompson is untouchable, they could swap him for Green (he has a poison pill though and I don't know what that means)

We also save money on both. We could then spin off Brooks to the highest bidder.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#35 » by King4Day » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:50 pm

I am praying 'seeing this through' just means this season.
But if other teams are calling, I really wonder what they are offering.

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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#36 » by King4Day » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:57 pm

OK one other that could help us a bit would be

Charlotte gets:

Nurkic and a 1st

Suns get:
Martin
Nick Smith jr (Not sure if Hornets value him but it's a legal trade)

https://www.espn.com/nba/trademachine?tradeId=2azjykdb

We'd be paying for the cap relief and the fact nobody wants Nurk. I do hope Charlotte would be less inclined to ask for a first since they absolutely need a center.

This shaves close to 8mil off the cap (baby steps and less to do to get under the 2nd apron this summer)
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#37 » by BobbieL » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:58 pm

King4Day wrote:I am praying 'seeing this through' just means this season.
But if other teams are calling, I really wonder what they are offering.

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What exactly are the Suns trying to see through
They are over the second apron
They have lost 3 in a row
The Spurs are gaining fast

The team is not going anywhere - and Butler wouldn't have changed that

Trade Durant today!
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Post#38 » by King4Day » Thu Feb 6, 2025 1:59 pm

I also wouldn't be surprised to see us trade one of our firsts for many 2nds (3-4 future). Then we can give up a couple to get off Nurk, but still have some left.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#39 » by King4Day » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:00 pm

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King4Day wrote:I am praying 'seeing this through' just means this season.
But if other teams are calling, I really wonder what they are offering.

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What exactly are the Suns trying to see through
They are over the second apron
They have lost 3 in a row
The Spurs are gaining fast

The team is not going anywhere - and Butler wouldn't have changed that

Trade Durant today!


Part of me would want to see Jones gone first so a new GM could take over with their vision and not have to clean up an even bigger mess. I worry what a KD trade would look like today.
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Re: 2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part III 

Post#40 » by King4Day » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:00 pm

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