Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st

[SurgeIblocka]

All I gotta say is Miami got Wiggins and we got Ingram.

That gives us the opportunity to leapfrog them potentially as we increased our talent level while they decreased theirs.

We protected the Indy pick 1-4. We still have our own first in that draft.

Ingram is going to be “load managed”, so our tank rolls on.

Like I said, talent aggregation.

The Indy Pick is not protected by us. The pick was protected by Indy 1-4. Basically if it lands 1-4 it goes to Indy otherwise its going to the Pelicans. We basically don’t have that pick anymore

[Tripod]

Funny how 1 year ago it was Masai is washed because he traded Siakam for such a bad return. Should have traded him earlier for Bufkin and Griffin some said.

Now he turned that bad return into a 22 point scorer, built up Ochai, and Walter for youth...plus grabbed Davion+Shead with the TPE from Siakam.

And people are still complaining that this deal is a fireable offense? Complete lunacy.

agreed. i think some people are just firmly planted on their my way or the highway stance that it skews everything else.

just one year ago, pacers traded THREE first round picks for soon to be UFA pascal. if pascal and ingram are in a similar tier then we got him for just one. that's pretty good asset management.

Ironically both had a 22.2ppg when traded

[PushDaRock]

I went to bed last night and this was at about 20 pages and now it's 40. I haven't read everything in between.

So I apologize if this has been discussed already, but could Ingram sign an extension now like Butler did? Or was that only possible in that case because he technically had a year remaining on his contract in the form of a player option?

I'm not sure it's something BI's agents would advise him to do, just wondering if it's possible.

yes he is extension eligible for 3 years at 144m max

that's the number I'm mentally preparing that we lock him up for if it's just 3 years.

I'd be very disappointed if that's the number. I'm on the fence about this trade until we see what he can be signed for. I'm not a big BI fan, but at the same time they definitely won the "asset value" side of the trade, and I can see the logic with the kind of player he could be in Toronto if things go well.

We maybe can lower the AAV into the low 40's if we wanted to give him a 5 year deal but I highly doubt Masai wants to do that. If it's 3 years, probably will be at a premium.

[james vincent]

I kinda wish we offered the worst of Toronto/Indiana’s pick(s) for next year. It’s not bad overall, but it feels like a slight overpay.

[Tripod]

Do you think Pels had the choice between Kelly or Boucher? If so, why take Kelly?

For some reason, I see Kelly being acquired by the Lakers

That would be a smart pickup

[aminiaturebuddha]

has anyone seen an updated salary cap projection for next year based on this trade? Assuming BI gets $40M per, how's our books look?

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/toronto-raptors/cap/_/year/2025

I also looked at the Hoopshype data because I like how it's organized with options and totals. And so if my understanding is correct, the Raps will have $137,926,309 committed next year if they let Boucher and Mitchell go without bringing in another salary.

The luxury tax for next season is expected to be about $188.4 million. That leaves about $50.5 room under the tax.

Let's say they luck out and get the 3rd overall pick in the draft. That's another $8.4 million leaving about $42 million.

They'd need at least $4-5 million for a 2nd round pick and other minimum contracts to fill out the roster.

So really, they need to get Ingram signed for about $35-36 million to make sure they're not into the tax if they don't want to be in the position where they need to off-load someone else this summer.

Does that make sense? Is my math mathing? Most importantly, is this doable as a deal with Ingram?

[ImaBeatDatAzz]

I kinda wish we offered the worst of Toronto/Indiana’s pick(s) for next year. It’s not bad overall, but it feels like a slight overpay.

If u do that ur locking both and can’t trade the other in a separate deal

[Damas]

This all hinges on what happens during the summer, I hope we can get a reasonable number and not overpay. Not exactly a fan of Ingram but who knows he might grow on me.

[Parataxis]

Gonna reserve judgement until we extend/re-sign Ingram, but on the face of it, the Indy pick seems a bit much for an expiring that we're hoping doesn't contribute this year.

Especially if the plan is to re-sign him and compete next year, I'd much rather us have sent our own pick (or made it the worst-of), but I'm going to trust that Masai and Bobby understand this game better than I do.

[Parataxis]

I kinda wish we offered the worst of Toronto/Indiana’s pick(s) for next year. It’s not bad overall, but it feels like a slight overpay.

If u do that ur locking both and can’t trade the other in a separate deal

Are you sure about that? I thought that if we'd traded away the 'Worst of Indiana or Toronto 2026 pick' then we could still also trade away the 'Better of Indiana or Toronto 2026' pick in a separate trade?

[LarSiN]

Great move

[Ducksplatt]

I am just happy that RJ goes back to SG. That is a better position for him.
Plus, everyone slots down one level in the pecking order which aligns better with skill set.


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[Jadoogar]

Jak trade prevented us from getting a high(er) lotto pick. This trade won't affect our tank this year

Why? Unless ingram is out for the rest of the year, we upgraded our talent level

If ingram is out for the rest of the year, are you comfortable signing him to a massive deal this summer?

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If he's out for the rest of the year, it's decided upon to help the tank and not because of his ankle injury.

and we know that for sure?
Ingram hasn't played 65 games since his rookie season, he's not the pinnacle of health.

[Yallbecrazy]

has anyone seen an updated salary cap projection for next year based on this trade? Assuming BI gets $40M per, how's our books look?

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/toronto-raptors/cap/_/year/2025

About 16 million under the tax if he signs @40 million given that Boucher and Mitchell walk. That's 12 players, if they get the first overall pick they may have to shed a few million.

[ArthurVandelay]

Do you think Pels had the choice between Kelly or Boucher? If so, why take Kelly?

My assumption is Raptors wanted Kelly included because having him on the roster and paying Ingram around $40m makes them a tax team and past the first apron.

Pelicans are going to be able to sign 2-3 minimum contracts and be just under the tax next year with Kelly and their 2025 lotto pick.

[right between the eyes]

Some of you guys put way too much value in a late first round picks. Masai is a wizard when it comes to finding gems in the second round, as well as players that aren't even drafted. He has a proven track record. I guess many of you weren't around in the Babcock days.

[Ducksplatt]

Probably should go and cut and paste replies when we got Leonard. High risk = high reward.


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[mtcan]

Do you think Pels had the choice between Kelly or Boucher? If so, why take Kelly?

My assumption is Raptors wanted Kelly included because having him on the roster and paying Ingram around $40m makes them a tax team and past the first apron.

Pelicans are going to be able to sign 2-3 minimum contracts and be just under the tax next year with Kelly and their 2025 lotto pick.

My suspicion is that the opportunity cost to take Kelly's additional years...was the Indiana first round pick.

Kelly likely gets dealt again today for probably 2nd round picks.

[VC15Era]

I am numb over this trade.. not sure if I should be happy or sad. We gave up a 1st and does BI really push the needle? He can just walk as well in the offseason.. I guess this is the best we could do?

[traps#10]

It’s the only way the Raptors can acquire “stars”. No big time FAs are going to sign with them. It’s either through the draft or buying low on injured known commodities.