Grading the Ingram Trade

[Duffman100]

4 F grade votes is wild to me.

[6ixpessant]

It's a great trade value-wise, Obviously the roster is going to change by next October. That's when we'll see what the plan is.

We have our 1st this year and next, that's great. There is a limit to how many kids you can bring in all at once and fairly develop them.

[kalel123]

D

There are a lot more questions today than there was yesterday before the trade.

How much do you pay him? What happens for rest of the season? What do you do with the redundancy (i.e. Barrett) knowing Ingram's also very injury prone when we already got Quickley who's been injury prone as well and still haven't got anything concrete going? Knowing they probably didn't get Ingram intending to lose him, what do you do with RJ Barrett and Poeltl contract situation? You can't possibly justify paying more than $150M to a starting lineup that hasn't done anything whose ceiling don't seem very high based on what they've shown thus far. Something's gotta give there. They've made things much more complicated than they need to be with so much uncertainty. There's a good reason why Ingram didn't garner much demand in the trade market.

[Shakril]

B : If he is healthy with us
D- : if he continues to be injured like his whole career

He’s averaged 78% of games played per season before this one, and that’s including a couple years where he was shut down to tank and the end of the year.

He’s no ironman, but the injury concerns are way overblown, especially considering he comes from the worst organization in the league when it comes to injury management.

The 78% inlcude his first season where he was 79/82, since than he never even scrachted that number.

from season 2:

59/82
52/82
62/72
61/72
55/82
45/82
64/82
18/50

That is 68% since season 2 in the league. And it goes lower as this season he wont play.

[6ixpessant]

D

There are a lot more questions today than there was yesterday before the trade.

How much do you pay him? What happens for rest of the season? What do you do with the redundancy (i.e. Barrett) knowing Ingram's also very injury prone when we already got Quickley who's been injury prone as well and still haven't got anything concrete going? Knowing they probably didn't get Ingram intending to lose him, what do you do with RJ Barrett and Poeltl contract situation? You can't possibly justify paying more than $150M to a starting lineup that hasn't done anything whose ceiling don't seem very high based on what they've shown thus far. Something's gotta give there. They've made things much more complicated than they need to be with so much uncertainty. There's a good reason why Ingram didn't garner much demand in the trade market.

The money doesn't matter. MLSE will pay whatever. We're never going to be below the cap.. so why worry about that? Every contract in the NBA, good or bad can be moved.

Roster construction doesn't happen overnight I'm not sure how things are more complicated. It took two no-impact guys and a pick that could amount to nothing, for a guy that is something and will likely be a lot better in Toronto than he was in NO.

Injuries? So be it, sometimes you have a bad run. It's not like Scottie has been bulletproof. Develop depth... RJ will probably be the odd man out and his contract will be easy to move if they so desire.

[OakleyDokely]

B

It's bumped to an A if we maintain a top 5-6 pick and the contract is reasonable

[PushDaRock]

I would give it a C based on what I project the contract to be (3 years at 144m), but my mind will change depending on how it ends up looking.

[LoveMyRaps]

A-

[kalel123]

D

There are a lot more questions today than there was yesterday before the trade.

How much do you pay him? What happens for rest of the season? What do you do with the redundancy (i.e. Barrett) knowing Ingram's also very injury prone when we already got Quickley who's been injury prone as well and still haven't got anything concrete going? Knowing they probably didn't get Ingram intending to lose him, what do you do with RJ Barrett and Poeltl contract situation? You can't possibly justify paying more than $150M to a starting lineup that hasn't done anything whose ceiling don't seem very high based on what they've shown thus far. Something's gotta give there. They've made things much more complicated than they need to be with so much uncertainty. There's a good reason why Ingram didn't garner much demand in the trade market.

The money doesn't matter. MLSE will pay whatever. We're never going to be below the cap.. so why worry about that? Every contract in the NBA, good or bad can be moved.

Roster construction doesn't happen overnight I'm not sure how things are more complicated. It took two no-impact guys and a pick that could amount to nothing, for a guy that is something and will likely be a lot better in Toronto than he was in NO.

Injuries? So be it, sometimes you have a bad run. It's not like Scottie has been bulletproof. Develop depth... RJ will probably be the odd man out and his contract will be easy to move if they so desire.

Ever heard of luxury tax? If you haven't noticed, teams don't touch that **** unless they are contending. Raptors have actively avoided that for a while.

[tsherkin]

4 F grade votes is wild to me.

I gave it a C, but even to me, an F seems pretty wild.

[Duffman100]

4 F grade votes is wild to me.

I gave it a C, but even to me, an F seems pretty wild.

I can understand a C, I don't agree with it (yet), but I can at least understand it.

[bape_lovers]

dont understand why its F, its next year pick, and 1-4, unless we are **** again

[Drakeem]

4 F grade votes is wild to me.

Being on RealGM from a Raptors perspective has been depressing to say the least.

We got an all-star talent that we can sit for this tanking year and get that top 5-10 pick. A talent that on paper fits with our franchise player, and who fits the timeline as well. We have another versatile wing that can actually SHOOT, and we gave up damn near nothing for the gamble.

And yet now I have to hear ad-nauseam about how bad it is. News flash, we're not LA. Luka is not falling in our laps. We have to take gambles and make trades on the fringes + hopefully hit on a few draft picks.

[tsherkin]

4 F grade votes is wild to me.

I gave it a C, but even to me, an F seems pretty wild.

I can understand a C, I don't agree with it (yet), but I can at least understand it.

I'm really not a fan of the move from a personnel perspective, so I was waffling between a B and a C.

Financially, that's like 33 mil which expires after this season, give or take, if we don't sign him. So there IS that to consider, for sure.

[WuTang_CMB]

Asset MGM = A

Still TBD on his new deal

And Raps still tanking is key

but overall very solid and savvy deal

[Badonkadonk]

Really can't grade the trade properly until I know if we still tanking or not. Right now it's a C because we are 100% gonna overpay him.

Don't forget he'll get a player option.

The Masai special

Honestly it's the tax you pay if you're not in LA or NY.

[BHF]

This might be a genius move or it can turn out to be Rudy Gay 2.0. But Ingram is our best player right now and it's not even close. Also Ingram >>> Siakam and OG as far as skill goes.

[LoveMyRaps]

4 F grade votes is wild to me.

I can probably name those 4 users.

[ConSarnit]

B : If he is healthy with us
D- : if he continues to be injured like his whole career

He’s averaged 78% of games played per season before this one, and that’s including a couple years where he was shut down to tank and the end of the year.

He’s no ironman, but the injury concerns are way overblown, especially considering he comes from the worst organization in the league when it comes to injury management.

1) wrong, if you removed this season he's missed over 25% of available games. that's not a good number at all

2) you don't just get to remove this year from those stats (he's literally injured this year). If you include this year he's missed nearly 30% of his eligible games. That's really bad

The guy has missed over 25% of his eligible games in the years where he should be the healthiest. That is a real concern.

[FrozenLeafz]

I give it a B-. Just not sure what to expect now with this team this season

Ideally, we shut down BI and whoever's somewhat injured and tank the season. But if BI is immediately available to play now after the trade and we end up at like 10th seed, I'd hate this trade