2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV

[bwgood77]

Beal for Hachimura, Vincent, Kleber, Morris

All expires in 2026

Not happening.

The Lakers are the main team in the NBA (and in the world) and most other teams are just farm for them. It's sad but it's true. The league found a way to make it more popular for the casual fans. Who doesn't want to watch the Lakers now?

Doncic and the best young C in the league. LOL.

All what they traded for Mark Williams needed to be traded in the package for Doncic. It's embarrassing that the Lakers got a Top 4 NBA player entering his absolute prime without giving up more than a mere FRP and street clothes AD.

They are my favorite in the West to go to the Finals over OKC now. Good work by the league to make the Lakers a focal point AGAIN.****.

And they have max cap space for now in 26 if LeBron is gone....with JJJ and maybe a couple others hitting FA. JJJ and Luka would be very scary. Hopefully he extends with Memphis. Probably won't turn down the super max is offered and they should offer it, being Memphis. Of course they will have Ja too, but they seem to play ok without him. Losing JJJ would be worse. But they can probably keep both and if they did trade Ja get a huge haul.

[bwgood77]

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The thing is, KD can't really shut down offers. He still would have had this year in the playoffs and all of next year under contract and I don't think being able to extend him past that would have been a huge deal. Plus I doubt too many people would clear max cap space for KD for 26 when he is that old. Maybe the Lakers if they can't get JJJ.

[mademan]

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The thing is, KD can't really shut down offers. He still would have had this year in the playoffs and all of next year under contract and I don't think being able to extend him past that would have been a huge deal. Plus I doubt too many people would clear max cap space for KD for 26 when he is that old. Maybe the Lakers if they can't get JJJ.

In general, ya. But the Suns would ask for a lot in a trade and most teams arent giving up a bunch of assets for a guy who tells them he doesnt want to be there.

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I think it's safe to say now the CP3 for Beal trade ruined the KD and Booker era of Suns basketball. Just ridiculous you had two months to get a player like Butler and could not because of Beal's NTC. Than out of desperation field offers for Durant. Now Durant is likely to be pissed.

The KD trade ruined it. They gave up all the picks and players then. The Beal trade you can argue was bad, but it's not like they had cap space if they didn't make that trade. They were capped out with an expiring/unguarantee CP3 and Shamet expiring. If they let them expire, they would have still been over the cap. They would have had MLE. Or they could have kept old CP3, or maybe traded him for Jordan Poole. Once we gave of a huge war chest for KD, we had already gone all in with no other real moves to make.

[SunsRback4Good]

Golden state has near identical record as us. I bet Butler gets them further then we get.

And people talk about we should blow it up and build like a team like Houston. When is the last time Houston was good with Hakeem?

I have no interest in watching a lottery team for the next 5 years.

Get Nurk out of here. This something we need to do asap

Nurk doesn’t have value

Suns should call Denver about Durant

Who would Denver trade for Durant? I’d love to get Gordon and Braun but they’d laugh at that trade proposal and hang up the phone. But realistically speaking who can we acquire from them?

[bwgood77]

I merged the last few pages of the last thread into this one if anyone gets confused, just so people can see all the posts and reply in the right thread. If you want to reply to a post in the last thread just quote that and post it in this one.

[Ghost of Kleine]

With the talk that Houston wouldn't dip into their young players unless it means Booker is coming over.
I don't know which players they'd be open to moving, but I would really try working with this instead.

Houston gets:

Booker

Suns get:

Brooks
Smith
Thompson
Picks

https://www.espn.com/nba/trademachine?tradeId=2burrag3


Since I assume Thompson is untouchable, they could swap him for Green (he has a poison pill though and I don't know what that means)

We also save money on both. We could then spin off Brooks to the highest bidder.

Green's poison pill just means that his incoming salary in a trade will count for 33 million that he'll be making next season in his salary jump. Even though it's around 12 million currently, it'd deceptively affect the trade for matching purposes, but might actually make it easier to match with our big salary in KD or a Book trade.

[NavLDO]

Blow it up...these 'pass' in the trade machine. Plus, I'm not good at understanding Picks, etc, but surely we could grab a couple of picks in there, as well...

PHX / IND

Booker

FOR

Jarace Walker
Obi Toppin
Isaiah Jackson
James Wiseman
Myles Turner

+++++++

Durant

FOR

Siakam
Mathurin

Pacers then have:

Haliburton
Booker
Nesmith
Durant
Bryant (??)

That Booker trade is the worst trade i have ever seen in my life...in any capacity. Both on NBA forums and in NFL forums as well. Worst in my life...and I'm over 40 years old.

Worst.


Sooooo congratulations by you I guess.....

Yeah, it looks bad it looks on paper for that singular trade (and BTW, I did mention we should get some picks back...I just didn't specify them, is all), but when combined with the Durant trade, it would still leave us with some flexibility toward the future, with still having plenty of offense, and oh...some size and rebounding, as well, so...and still leaves us with

Jones (back to playing pg the way he was meant to play it)
Beal (21ppg)
Mathurin (16ppg)
Siakam (20ppg/7reb)
Turner (15ppg/7reb)

and still having the threat of Allen with some scoring from 3, and Royce/Toppin coming in relief, and some development ahead for Mathurin, Jarace Walker, Dunn, and Oso...

So yeah, if you look at that trade in a vacuum, it looks bad, but again, your not looking at the accompanying trade, which gets us back to having our oldest players being Beal and Royce (after dumping Lee) at 31YO, some actual draft picks in the future, and some decent talent to develop already on the roster. And oh yeah, having all of of eggs in the basket of whether BOTH Booker and Durant have a decent game, deciding whether we win or not.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Golden state has near identical record as us. I bet Butler gets them further then we get.

And people talk about we should blow it up and build like a team like Houston. When is the last time Houston was good with Hakeem?

I have no interest in watching a lottery team for the next 5 years.

Get Nurk out of here. This something we need to do asap

Nurk doesn’t have value

Suns should call Denver about Durant

Who would Denver trade for Durant? I’d love to get Gordon and Braun but they’d laugh at that trade proposal and hang up the phone. But realistically speaking who can we acquire from them?

My package would be:

KD for Porter Jr/ Saric / Westbrook/ Braun/ Holmes/ Tyson. No picks are available in the his premise because they only have 4 total picks left. But they'd absolutely agree to this to all but guarantee themselves a championship with Jokic/ Durant/ Gordon in the frontcourt.

For us, Porter Jr would be a low end version of KD in a similar role, younger and cheaper to fill that position. Braun would replace Allen (allowing us to trade him), and Holmes would give us a cheap cost controlled 6'10 backup 3 & D 4/5. That can block shots, hits some threes and play small ball 5 interchangeably alongside of Ighodaro.

[Airseven]

Booker has been so overrated for so long, particularly locally. It's almost shocking to see some people come to terms with that.

[schnakenpopanz]

Booker is what he is. He needs a pure leader beside him to shine. KD has never been that. CP is a leader. Curry and James are leaders. That's why it worked with the GSW back then and in the Olympics.
Don't get me wrong. This does not mean they are bad players, but you need a clear structre with roles to develop a championship cclaiber team. That's why they went WITHOUT durant to the finals in 21.

[Slim Charless]

Blow it up...these 'pass' in the trade machine. Plus, I'm not good at understanding Picks, etc, but surely we could grab a couple of picks in there, as well...

PHX / IND

Booker

FOR

Jarace Walker
Obi Toppin
Isaiah Jackson
James Wiseman
Myles Turner

+++++++

Durant

FOR

Siakam
Mathurin

Pacers then have:

Haliburton
Booker
Nesmith
Durant
Bryant (??)

That Booker trade is the worst trade i have ever seen in my life...in any capacity. Both on NBA forums and in NFL forums as well. Worst in my life...and I'm over 40 years old.

Worst.


Sooooo congratulations by you I guess.....

Yeah, it looks bad it looks on paper for that singular trade (and BTW, I did mention we should get some picks back...I just didn't specify them, is all), but when combined with the Durant trade, it would still leave us with some flexibility toward the future, with still having plenty of offense, and oh...some size and rebounding, as well, so...and still leaves us with

Jones (back to playing pg the way he was meant to play it)
Beal (21ppg)
Mathurin (16ppg)
Siakam (20ppg/7reb)
Turner (15ppg/7reb)

and still having the threat of Allen with some scoring from 3, and Royce/Toppin coming in relief, and some development ahead for Mathurin, Jarace Walker, Dunn, and Oso...

So yeah, if you look at that trade in a vacuum, it looks bad, but again, your not looking at the accompanying trade, which gets us back to having our oldest players being Beal and Royce (after dumping Lee) at 31YO, some actual draft picks in the future, and some decent talent to develop already on the roster. And oh yeah, having all of of eggs in the basket of whether BOTH Booker and Durant have a decent game, deciding whether we win or not.

Pacers don't have any 1sts they can trade till 2027. Only seconds. So that's done.

You traded Booker for 3 PFs and 2Cs so none of them can play together at the same time. Then turned around and traded Durant for Siakam. You didn't even manage to get Haliburton for either!! Lol what a disaster.

Forget the fact that we essentially traded rosters with the Pacers-who are barely 4 seeds in the weaker East. You also didn't make them take Nurk who is our worst contract.

Congrats again. If we did this then Dallas and their GM is off the hook for the Luka trade. This would be an even worst monstrosity.

[Sunsdeuce]

James Jones has to be fired at this point. I mean there is no good excuse to keep him around. I’m surprised he has lasted as long as he has.

[BobbieL]

James Jones has to be fired at this point. I mean there is no good excuse to keep him around. I’m surprised he has lasted as long as he has.

Yes he does. Just for the sake of change if nothing else

[RaisingArizona]

If what Gambo is reporting that it was Jimmy B Kuminga plus picks and he didn't do it because KD didn't want to -- he needs to go right this second. So tired of having an incompetent GM in charge

[Fo-Real]

Chris Paul coming off the bench in Spur land or is he getting bought out to go play with Bron and Luka?

[RaisingArizona]

I need a new team to root for. Who should it be and why?

Secondary team. OKC, built from within, the right way, young exciting players who love playing together and play hard. SGA with those sound bites last night. You can tell he's a GREAT teammate and leader. They were saying "he's a superstar, and also a great leader, but more importantly, acts humble like he's just one of the guys.." So refreshing to hear stuff like that.

Coyotes

[SunsRback4Good]

I need a new team to root for. Who should it be and why?

Secondary team. OKC, built from within, the right way, young exciting players who love playing together and play hard. SGA with those sound bites last night. You can tell he's a GREAT teammate and leader. They were saying "he's a superstar, and also a great leader, but more importantly, acts humble like he's just one of the guys.." So refreshing to hear stuff like that.

Coyotes

Lol

[Saberestar]

If what Gambo is reporting that it was Jimmy B Kuminga plus picks and he didn't do it because KD didn't want to -- he needs to go right this second. So tired of having an incompetent GM in charge

That was the trade that would have been done but GSW wouldn’t do it without KD being OK with the trade. They didn't want him if he wasn't OK with the trade and he wants to stay and continue his career on the Suns.

So it wasn't a decision by our FO.

I think everything worked well because being a .500 team we MUST hear every offer and do our own diligence and we did it. This proves that KD has a high value around the league yet, good to know it.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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