Shams: Raps acquire Ingram for Brown + Olynyk + IND 1st

[Tha Cynic]

You know who is an ingram level talent? Siakam

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So what you’re saying is we won that trade since we now have Siakam who can play the 3, Ochai and Walter for Siakam who plays the 4?

i'm saying the trade didn't make a difference because we're back at the same spot, stuck in mediocrity.

What is your definition of “mediocrity”?
How do we get out of “mediocrity”?

[Merit]

dude, i want Luka too but dallas says no, who doesnt want Zion? It takes both parties to say yes. Potel is for stay dw

Really guys? Are you stooping to that level, that you pretend not to understand.

If i had to have an injured Player i rather would have Zion than Ingram.

Is that so hard to understand?

*smh* I am losing faith in the intelligence of human beeings, reading your responses.

Thats why it makes so little sense trading for a guy whos injury history doesnt spell confidence in me.
Yes if it were Zion, i can understand it, but not BI.
I really hope, that in this case i am completly wrong and BI surprises us with ALL-Star Level play. Only then, its a good trade.

Of course I would also rather have Zion. However, if we got Ingram at this price, the asking price for Zion (if he was available) was likely a lot higher.

I for one would rather keep our ‘25 first and additional future firsts and have Ingram, especially since we also have Jak.

[ChillRelaxDude]

we're falling in the lottery rankings. If ingram plays, we could easily have 7th or 8th worst odds.
I think Chicago and Brooklyn are about to take extreme tanking measures. Maybe even portland too.

Ingram is currently injured. Chicago has 22 wins, 6 more than us. Portland is 9-1 in their last 10 and also have 6 more wins than us. Brooklyn is a threat but we are still in line for a very good pick. We are the 5th worst team in the league with like 30 games to go. lol.

Chicago just traded their best player and Vuc may still be moved. They are absolutely a threat.
Portland could just be going through a hot stretch similar to what the raptors went through recently

Chicago is stuck in a vortex of mediocrity. They'll trade their best player and be equally as bad as they were before. Bring in better players, still stuck in mediocrity.

[JShuttlesworth]

I was at the game last night, came home, went to bed, and was pretty surprised to see this trade this morning

I don't love it, don't hate it. The Raptors added a fringe All-Star type player, without having to give up too much. The Pacers pick will more than likely end up being outside the lottery, I'm not really losing any sleep about that, nor am I losing sleep over moving on from Brown and Olynyk.

On paper, I feel like Ingram is a good fit next to Scottie and Jakob to form a strong front court rotation. Ingram is a true SF, something this team has been lacking since the OG trade, he can space the floor and is a legit scoring threat. Having him on the court will make things easier for everyone else.

The primary concern that I have is that Ingram is often injured. This is his 9th year in the league, and the only season he played more than 65 games was his rookie campaign.

Random Thoughts -- What's going on with Ingram's ankle injury? He has been sitting since early December, is he anywhere close to returning? With this trade, the 2025 Draft Pick becomes even more important.

[gerrit4]

I think that the other thing we've learned is that our front office doesn't really love to develop two first round picks in one season. I think the hope is that by 2026 we'll be a competitive team, and trying to develop two firsts will be a challenge. The only time I remember us having two FRPs was with Jakob/Pascal, which worked out fine.

Yes, I know we could have used that pick to move up, or (probably more realistically) traded it for a future first. But I think that was probably part of the thought process. This year, knowing it was a development year, we had 5 rookies in varying stages of development (Shead, Mogbo, Jakobe, Battle, Chomche) and I think the hope is that a few of those guys stay on the roster for the foreseeable future. In theory, we should have "too many guys" in 2026.

I'm not saying I totally agree (I like having picks!), but I get the thought process.

[Risk101]

For the ones that hate this trade

This is the reason why.

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That was a playoff series in NOP when he is 24 or 25, right?

It was last year.

[TorontoBarneys]

This is a stupid deal on its face. Can it be an intelligent deal as part of some more coordinated long-term planning? Possibly, but at the end of the day, I do not trust Masai to know what he's doing at this point. I'm happy to be proven wrong.

Sitting Ingram out for most of the rest of this season seems obvious, as is sitting the rest of the impact players so we can, at the very least, tank effectively for the remainder of this year and get a quality 2025 pick. That make sense. It's what all the other rebuilding teams are doing.

Will it happen? Uncertain. That's the problem - you have no idea if he's going to do the sensible thing or go for some play-in push and hedge his bets on the 25% 3pt shooter magically turning into a superstar.

[dTox]

So what you’re saying is we won that trade since we now have Siakam who can play the 3, Ochai and Walter for Siakam who plays the 4?

i'm saying the trade didn't make a difference because we're back at the same spot, stuck in mediocrity.

What is your definition of “mediocrity”?
How do we get out of “mediocrity”?

Drafting in the 7-15 range over and over, or even worse, giving up a draft pick in the 7-11 range after failing to make the playoffs.

[TorontoBarneys]

At the very least, this deal absolutely erased the prospect of any multi-year tank happening. It's very obvious that Masai HATES tanking, and will only do it when cornered with absolutely no other alternative.

[ishoy123]

i'm saying the trade didn't make a difference because we're back at the same spot, stuck in mediocrity.

What is your definition of “mediocrity”?
How do we get out of “mediocrity”?

Drafting in the 7-15 range over and over, or even worse, giving up a draft pick in the 7-11 range after failing to make the playoffs.

We didn't give up a draft pick in the 7-11 range

[Jadoogar]

So what you’re saying is we won that trade since we now have Siakam who can play the 3, Ochai and Walter for Siakam who plays the 4?

i'm saying the trade didn't make a difference because we're back at the same spot, stuck in mediocrity.

What is your definition of “mediocrity”?
How do we get out of “mediocrity”?

being in the play-in is mediocre. What's the ceiling for this team if everyone is healthy? 5th seed?

[dTox]

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[Jadoogar]

What is your definition of “mediocrity”?
How do we get out of “mediocrity”?

Drafting in the 7-15 range over and over, or even worse, giving up a draft pick in the 7-11 range after failing to make the playoffs.

We didn't give up a draft pick in the 7-11 range

we literally gave up the 7th pick for Poeltl.
No one knows what the Pacers pick will be.

[Green Backpack]

Obviously we have to re-sign Ingram to make this make any sense.

That being said, I'm still not sure I see the fit of IQ/BI/RJ/Scottie. Lots of offense, not the most efficient, and not much defense. Not to mention, a lot of $$$

[DG88]

I've had a night sleep to think about the trade and I'm still hemming and hawing about it. I see it from Masai's perspective as a buy low acquisition for a 6'8 27 year old wing, who is a former 2nd overall pick and All Star. You add him and a lottery pick with this team and we're looking solid for the next couple of years. The other side is will this devalue our pick, can we sign him to a reasonable deal and will he be healthy enough to make an impact.

There's reasons why some here are excited about the potential of this deal and also why some are pessimistic about it too. All we can do is wait an see. I hope that they hold out BI until he's fully healthy. This February is crucial for us to stay in top 5 lottery odds. I really want us to add a star talent from this draft.

[Duffman100]

i'm saying the trade didn't make a difference because we're back at the same spot, stuck in mediocrity.

What is your definition of “mediocrity”?
How do we get out of “mediocrity”?

being in the play-in is mediocre. What's the ceiling for this team if everyone is healthy? 5th seed?

So are the Magic mediocre by that definition. The answer is yes, this season, but they have the ability to get better and develop due to their youth.

We have a ton of youth, so if we make the 5-7th seed next year, wouldn't we have an opportunity to get better?

[dTox]

What is your definition of “mediocrity”?
How do we get out of “mediocrity”?

Drafting in the 7-15 range over and over, or even worse, giving up a draft pick in the 7-11 range after failing to make the playoffs.

We didn't give up a draft pick in the 7-11 range

We gave up the 8th pick last year, after not making the playoffs.

[Tha Cynic]

i'm saying the trade didn't make a difference because we're back at the same spot, stuck in mediocrity.

What is your definition of “mediocrity”?
How do we get out of “mediocrity”?

Drafting in the 7-15 range over and over, or even worse, giving up a draft pick in the 7-11 range after failing to make the playoffs.

Wasn’t that draft pick given up coming off a season where they made the playoffs? And that ended up being Poeltl who’s a good player. This one has given us a roster that should easily make the playoffs next season.

The only way to guarantee a top pick is by trading away everyone and only having a roster of g league players. Even then you have to be worse than other bad organizations doing the same thing. I’m sorry, but that’s what we should be doing to become a good team? Do you really think Washington or Charlotte are going to be building a winner?

I’ll take the plan of the guy who has proven he can build sustained winning, and pivot when required. The dude just fixed our entire bench issue with youth with upside, and given us legit scorers for the starting lineup, while keeping a top 7 pick this season, unless the lottery balls which you want to rely on fall the wrong way.

Patience means making smart moves when the time presents itself. It DOES NOT mean trading everyone away and losing year after year.

[WuTang_CMB]

MArc Stein on raps show next

[ArthurVandelay]

I've had a night sleep to think about the trade and I'm still hemming and hawing about it. I see it from Masai's perspective as a buy low acquisition for a 6'8 27 year old wing, who is a former 2nd overall pick and All Star. You add him and a lottery pick with this team and we're looking solid for the next couple of years. The other side is will this devalue our pick, can we sign him to a reasonable deal and will he be healthy enough to make an impact.

There's reasons why some here are excited about the potential of this deal and also why some are pessimistic about it too. All we can do is wait an see. I hope that they hold out BI until he's fully healthy. This February is crucial for us to stay in top 5 lottery odds. I really want us to add a star talent from this draft.

I thought this would be the ultimate join hands and sing "It's a small world after all" moment for tWo and anti-tankers. It's a win-win.

BI isn't playing much rest of year and vets are gone off the bench - win for tWo

Next year **** is real and they'll be competing - win for anti-tankers

Everyone (should be) happy!


Also, as an aside, I remember this time about 1 year ago when many lost their poop because the 29th pick was traded for KO and Ochai. I wasn't sure what to think at the time but I think that turned out pretty good since, no?