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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#201 » by Micah Prescott » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:32 am

Otis Driftwood wrote:Peyton Hendershoot articulating what many of have been saying… for years.

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Right but most of that culture he is talking about isn't created by the Cowboys, it's created by the media. As much as I hate McCarthy, I don't think his main objective was public imagery. No one in the Cowboys org can be blamed if ESPN Sports Center is hyper-focused on the Cowboys.

And sure, it started with the Cowboys. "America's Team". And Jerry is certainly a big part of that culture aspect. But THAT part is Jerry's job as an OWNER, not GM. And as an "OWNER", Jerry is the GOAT. He might be the worst GM on the planet, but he is the GOAT owner.

IDK, I kind of feel like the "America's Team" culture is partly just a viral happening that took on a life of it's own and the media runs with it.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#202 » by Otis Driftwood » Thu Feb 6, 2025 2:23 pm

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Otis Driftwood wrote:Peyton Hendershoot articulating what many of have been saying… for years.

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Right but most of that culture he is talking about isn't created by the Cowboys, it's created by the media. As much as I hate McCarthy, I don't think his main objective was public imagery. No one in the Cowboys org can be blamed if ESPN Sports Center is hyper-focused on the Cowboys.

And sure, it started with the Cowboys. "America's Team". And Jerry is certainly a big part of that culture aspect. But THAT part is Jerry's job as an OWNER, not GM. And as an "OWNER", Jerry is the GOAT. He might be the worst GM on the planet, but he is the GOAT owner.

IDK, I kind of feel like the "America's Team" culture is partly just a viral happening that took on a life of it's own and the media runs with it.


Well… the Owner has the ability to manage that culture. His way of managing it is to monetize it. Take a tour of The Star. You’ll see.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#203 » by Micah Prescott » Thu Feb 6, 2025 3:22 pm

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Otis Driftwood wrote:Peyton Hendershoot articulating what many of have been saying… for years.

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Right but most of that culture he is talking about isn't created by the Cowboys, it's created by the media. As much as I hate McCarthy, I don't think his main objective was public imagery. No one in the Cowboys org can be blamed if ESPN Sports Center is hyper-focused on the Cowboys.

And sure, it started with the Cowboys. "America's Team". And Jerry is certainly a big part of that culture aspect. But THAT part is Jerry's job as an OWNER, not GM. And as an "OWNER", Jerry is the GOAT. He might be the worst GM on the planet, but he is the GOAT owner.

IDK, I kind of feel like the "America's Team" culture is partly just a viral happening that took on a life of it's own and the media runs with it.


Well… the Owner has the ability to manage that culture. His way of managing it is to monetize it. Take a tour of The Star. You’ll see.


As owner he wants to make his team the most profitable, most popular, etc. As a GM his job is to put the team in position to win.

But honestly I think at this point in time, the Cowboy's "culture", their popularity and the media's infatuation with them is beyond Jerry Jones or anyone else. I don't think he could remove them from popularity if he tried to. It's been this way for decades now and I don't think it's Jerry doing it. The guy could sneeze on camera and ESPN would turn that into a headline.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#204 » by Otis Driftwood » Thu Feb 6, 2025 4:14 pm

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Right but most of that culture he is talking about isn't created by the Cowboys, it's created by the media. As much as I hate McCarthy, I don't think his main objective was public imagery. No one in the Cowboys org can be blamed if ESPN Sports Center is hyper-focused on the Cowboys.

And sure, it started with the Cowboys. "America's Team". And Jerry is certainly a big part of that culture aspect. But THAT part is Jerry's job as an OWNER, not GM. And as an "OWNER", Jerry is the GOAT. He might be the worst GM on the planet, but he is the GOAT owner.

IDK, I kind of feel like the "America's Team" culture is partly just a viral happening that took on a life of it's own and the media runs with it.


Well… the Owner has the ability to manage that culture. His way of managing it is to monetize it. Take a tour of The Star. You’ll see.


As owner he wants to make his team the most profitable, most popular, etc. As a GM his job is to put the team in position to win.

But honestly I think at this point in time, the Cowboy's "culture", their popularity and the media's infatuation with them is beyond Jerry Jones or anyone else. I don't think he could remove them from popularity if he tried to. It's been this way for decades now and I don't think it's Jerry doing it. The guy could sneeze on camera and ESPN would turn that into a headline.


And yet - a guy like Vandershoot sees the difference clearly as he moves from one team to another. That isn’t ESPN or Fox or NFLN or the local media - that’s the guys in the room and the leadership directly above them. Jerry could effect change if he chose to. He doesn’t. He caters to the circus and encourages his team to follow suit. Clark Hunt defers to his GM and HC. They don’t embrace the circus.

This has been going on for decades. Simply blaming it on the media is weak, man.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#205 » by Cactus Jack » Thu Feb 6, 2025 5:18 pm

Jerry is a marketing genius. But it would be odd to be a player & basically live in a fish bowl 24/7.

Teams around the league don't have open tours of the facility year round.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#206 » by Micah Prescott » Thu Feb 6, 2025 5:19 pm

Otis Driftwood wrote:
Micah Prescott wrote:
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Well… the Owner has the ability to manage that culture. His way of managing it is to monetize it. Take a tour of The Star. You’ll see.


As owner he wants to make his team the most profitable, most popular, etc. As a GM his job is to put the team in position to win.

But honestly I think at this point in time, the Cowboy's "culture", their popularity and the media's infatuation with them is beyond Jerry Jones or anyone else. I don't think he could remove them from popularity if he tried to. It's been this way for decades now and I don't think it's Jerry doing it. The guy could sneeze on camera and ESPN would turn that into a headline.


And yet - a guy like Vandershoot sees the difference clearly as he moves from one team to another. That isn’t ESPN or Fox or NFLN or the local media - that’s the guys in the room and the leadership directly above them. Jerry could effect change if he chose to. He doesn’t. He caters to the circus and encourages his team to follow suit. Clark Hunt defers to his GM and HC. They don’t embrace the circus.

This has been going on for decades. Simply blaming it on the media is weak, man.


So how do you stop the "Cowboys Circus"? Like what is Jerry or anyone else supposed to do? Tell ESPN to cut it out? Tell everyone on Twitter to stop giving our players special attention?

If Jerry sold the team today, the Cowboys circus doesn't magically vanish with him. It's still "America's Team".

I'm not even trying to defend Jerry as a GM here, I don't think he is the greatest GM. But I also don't think he THRUST this culture onto the team. That culture is just part of the Dallas Cowboys and always will be, no matter who owns the team.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#207 » by Micah Prescott » Thu Feb 6, 2025 5:28 pm

Cactus Jack wrote:Jerry is a marketing genius. But it would be odd to be a player & basically live in a fish bowl 24/7.

Teams around the league don't have open tours of the facility year round.

https://www.chiefs.com/stadium/tours

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Post#208 » by Micah Prescott » Thu Feb 6, 2025 5:38 pm

The circus is driven by the Cowboy's enormous fan base, which in turn forces the media to focus on them. ESPN won't spend hours talking about the Jaguars because their fan base in miniscule. They need their ratings, so they hyper focus on Dallas. And on social media the Cowboys are the big buzz because the fan base is the largest.

Not only do they have the largest fan base, but they have an even larger HATER base. I mean there are literally fans that care more about Dallas losing than their own team winning.

And because of this situation, when any one of our players even blinks wrong, it becomes "trending". Look at Amari Cooper in Cleveland. Leaves Dallas and fades off into obscurity. Zero attention given to him. He had a huge "culture" change that I am sure he notices just like Hendershot.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#209 » by Cactus Jack » Thu Feb 6, 2025 5:51 pm

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Cactus Jack wrote:Jerry is a marketing genius. But it would be odd to be a player & basically live in a fish bowl 24/7.

Teams around the league don't have open tours of the facility year round.

https://www.chiefs.com/stadium/tours

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KC has stadium tours. Not the team facility itself. That seems to be only a Jerry thing.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#210 » by Micah Prescott » Thu Feb 6, 2025 6:46 pm

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Cactus Jack wrote:Jerry is a marketing genius. But it would be odd to be a player & basically live in a fish bowl 24/7.

Teams around the league don't have open tours of the facility year round.

https://www.chiefs.com/stadium/tours

?

KC has stadium tours. Not the team facility itself. That seems to be only a Jerry thing.

You can see the locker rooms, weight room, etc. I see you can attend Chiefs training camp for free, it's open to the public.

The Chiefs have been featured on Hard Knocks, so they had a whole TV crew on their field at that time.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#211 » by Mr B » Fri Feb 7, 2025 12:11 am

Cactus Jack wrote:Jerry is a marketing genius. But it would be odd to be a player & basically live in a fish bowl 24/7.

Teams around the league don't have open tours of the facility year round.

Have you ever been on a tour of the Star? Trust me tours are not the reason the culture is messed up in Dallas. The player area is sectioned off and fans are not allowed to interact with any players they might see on the tour. They will end your tour the moment you speak to a player.

If a player is bother by the tour then they should be cut (as Hendershot was). If a player cannot handle a stranger being in the same building then he should probably try selling insurance. The NFL is not for him. By the way, the Chiefs also do tours. So I guess Hendershot will be asking for his release from the team since he can’t handle being in a building with other people (who are not allowed to interact with him). I wonder if he will do that before or after the Super Bowl.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#212 » by Mr B » Fri Feb 7, 2025 12:12 am

Cactus Jack wrote:Teams around the league don't have open tours of the facility year round.


Yea they do, including Hendershot’s current team the Chiefs. A quick google search will tell you many teams have open tours of their facilities.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#213 » by Mr B » Fri Feb 7, 2025 12:14 am

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Cactus Jack wrote:Jerry is a marketing genius. But it would be odd to be a player & basically live in a fish bowl 24/7.

Teams around the league don't have open tours of the facility year round.

https://www.chiefs.com/stadium/tours

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There you go bringing facts not the conversation again. Don’t you know Cowboys haters have no time facts! Lol
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#214 » by Mr B » Fri Feb 7, 2025 12:15 am

Micah Prescott wrote:The circus is driven by the Cowboy's enormous fan base, which in turn forces the media to focus on them. ESPN won't spend hours talking about the Jaguars because their fan base in miniscule. They need their ratings, so they hyper focus on Dallas. And on social media the Cowboys are the big buzz because the fan base is the largest.

Not only do they have the largest fan base, but they have an even larger HATER base. I mean there are literally fans that care more about Dallas losing than their own team winning.

And because of this situation, when any one of our players even blinks wrong, it becomes "trending". Look at Amari Cooper in Cleveland. Leaves Dallas and fades off into obscurity. Zero attention given to him. He had a huge "culture" change that I am sure he notices just like Hendershot.

The haters are fans. If you pay attention to the Cowboys more than you do the team in your own city guess what, you’re a Cowboys fan.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#215 » by Cactus Jack » Fri Feb 7, 2025 12:46 am

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Cactus Jack wrote:Jerry is a marketing genius. But it would be odd to be a player & basically live in a fish bowl 24/7.

Teams around the league don't have open tours of the facility year round.

https://www.chiefs.com/stadium/tours

?

There you go bringing facts not the conversation again. Don’t you know Cowboys haters have no time facts! Lol

1. The link is for stadium tours. Not the actual practice/team facility.

Stadium tours are very common. But most teams do not have year-round open tours of team facilities.

2. Why do you get so defensive when someone brings it up? lol


From what I can gather, the Star is like a tourist attraction with shops & whatnot. Maybe the only of its kind. So yes, it's very unique. I have not been to Dallas. I've never actually set foot in the state of Texas. But I've done my fair share of reading up on it.

Fwiw I'm not a hater. From far it. I do like to joke around with Bjj from time to time with regards to Jerry & the team. But I'm not a Cowboys hater.

I watch a ton of NFL content. Including stuff that's Cowboys related. I'm a Football junkie at heart.

Honestly, the only team that I truly have a strong dislike for is the Niners. They are our biggest rival. But that's where it stops.

If I was a hater, then I wouldn't post things here as frequently as I do. :wink:
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#216 » by Cactus Jack » Fri Feb 7, 2025 1:23 am

Micah Prescott wrote:I see you can attend Chiefs training camp for free, it's open to the public.

Yes, that's very common. Typically, the practice facility itself (indoor) is off limits though.

The Hawks had free admission for training camp until recently.
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Post#217 » by Micah Prescott » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:22 pm

I just can't get mad at Jerry or anyone else for fan service. That is what this whole thing is for, entertaining the fans.

The "Cowboys Circus Culture" can be seen right here in this forum, where the general forum has several long running threads about Dak and Jerry and Cowboys related stuff. Is Jerry forcing us to participate in that? No he isn't responsible, we are the ones doing it. The fans.

IMO the 'Circus Culture' is now beyond anyone's control. It's just what the Cowboys are. If you are a player for the Dallas Cowboys, you ARE going to get extra attention. If I had to blame someone for it? Bob Ryan for coining 'America's Team' and literally making the Cowboys America's Team. Because that is what is at the root of the circus. The The hyper-attention. And again, that hyper attention can be seen right here in this forum.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#218 » by Mr B » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:32 pm

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There you go bringing facts not the conversation again. Don’t you know Cowboys haters have no time facts! Lol

1. The link is for stadium tours. Not the actual practice/team facility.

Stadium tours are very common. But most teams do not have year-round open tours of team facilities.

2. Why do you get so defensive when someone brings it up? lol


From what I can gather, the Star is like a tourist attraction with shops & whatnot. Maybe the only of its kind. So yes, it's very unique. I have not been to Dallas. I've never actually set foot in the state of Texas. But I've done my fair share of reading up on it.

Fwiw I'm not a hater. From far it. I do like to joke around with Bjj from time to time with regards to Jerry & the team. But I'm not a Cowboys hater.

I watch a ton of NFL content. Including stuff that's Cowboys related. I'm a Football junkie at heart.

Honestly, the only team that I truly have a strong dislike for is the Niners. They are our biggest rival. But that's where it stops.

If I was a hater, then I wouldn't post things here as frequently as I do. :wink:

I’m not being defensive I just think that’s dumbest reason possible for not being unsuccessful in Dallas. Like really, you can’t be good at your job because fans tour a part of the facility (and not allowed to talk to you)? That is literally the dumbest **** I’ve ever heard. There are tons of reasons and things that can be a distraction and that’s the one you pick as a reason you could last on the Cowboys?
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Post#219 » by Micah Prescott » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:46 pm

A prime example of the "Cowboys Circus" is seeing what CeeDee's mom said about Dak turn into a big social media trending event that ultimately distracts both CeeDee and Dak and perhaps the rest of the team. ESPN takes it and runs with it. Reporters fling it around the players, etc

That event was completely fan driven and out of the control of Dallas front office.

You think if McLaurin's mom made a comment about Daniels that anyone would care? It "might" be brief local news in Washington and that is it.
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Re: 2025 Dallas Cowboys Off-Season 

Post#220 » by Cactus Jack » Fri Feb 7, 2025 6:16 pm

Micah Prescott wrote:A prime example of the "Cowboys Circus" is seeing what CeeDee's mom said about Dak turn into a big social media trending event that ultimately distracts both CeeDee and Dak and perhaps the rest of the team. ESPN takes it and runs with it. Reporters fling it around the players, etc

That event was completely fan driven and out of the control of Dallas front office.

You think if McLaurin's mom made a comment about Daniels that anyone would care? It "might" be brief local news in Washington and that is it.

The Cowboys are an easy target. Jerry openingly talking to the media as much as he does only puts flame to the fire. He provides great soundbites. So, the media eats it up.

The Hawks where often a huge magnet for the national media during the years they had guys like Sherman, Marshawn & Michael Bennett. Guys who were big personalities who were great at stirring up ****.

Then there was that whole narrative of they didn't give Marshawn the ball at the goal line in the Super Bowl because they wanted Russ to get all the glory. Which is total nonsense. When It was Russ who actually audibled from a run to a pass play.

But some people are still convinced otherwise.
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