2024-25 Season Discussion and Speculation Part IV

[King4Day]

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Told you 1 asset for 2 yesterday!!!! Dang I am good.

Also the last minute rumor I heard is the Hawks called and are thinking Bogdan, Hunter, Okongwu for KD and 1st

Tell them to get ****. Why are we giving up 1sts and KD?

Yea a first from us makes 0 sense.
Where'd you hear this rumor?

[King4Day]

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[Fo-Real]

Trade does not currently help us on the court at all.

[NavLDO]

There is no shame in admitting "it did not work, we tried and failed". It is rather disappointing to prolong the inevitable.

It's just frustrating to look back and see we had:

Paul
Booker
Bridges
Crowder
Ayton

With Cam Johnson showing some real promise, and our future picks intact...

...yet just because we took the Mavs to 7 games, and lost, everything that followed, all the decisions made, did nothing but snowball into the mess we have today...it's just depressing...

How the heck did 'we' ever think that trading our picks away, with Bridges and Johnson, for the 'honor' of bringing Durant in...

Then essentially swapping out Ayton for Nurkic, and dumping CP3...

Nothing since then has moved us forward; we've just regressed--gotten older, worse, and with less flexibility for the foreseeable
future, yet the Lakers somehow pull off a total coup by grabbing Doncic for pennies on the dollar.

Yep, I long for those day again...

Those days were nothing without a healthy CP3.

That being said it's wild to me how some easily forget how injured the entire WC was during that run thru the conference then got backdoor swept by the Bucks in the Finals.

Everyone kept babbling in media how the Suns were expected to be back - but it was so short sighted. Suns were always dancing a fine line with CP3's age and the team showed they weren't those guys when they got historically ravaged by the Mavs in that Game 7.

I don't fault the FO for trying to upgrade from that treadmill team and getting somebody with some pedigree next to Book. It just didn't work and neither would have that nucleus people like to romantically recall.

Oh, I don't fault them, either, for trying, but I do fault them for the actual moves they made. Sure, maybe we got blown out in game 7, in the semi-finals, but we've done nothing but regress since then. Rather than learn from being heavily dependent upon an old player as a critical starter, we decided to double down, by keeping and NOT trading this older player, Paul, no, no...we keep said old player, add two more 'old players', one expected to be our marquis player, who was already broken at the time, and trade away two 26YO critical players in Bridges and Johnson, FOUR FRPs, and an FRP swap...

So we can debate whether or not a move should have been made, but if you, as a fan knows that Paul and his age was a big factor in our failure, why didn't they 'fix' the failing piece, while leaving the highly productive, and young 3-and-D players, on our roster.

So, Durant played all of 8, of the 24 games that he was with the Suns, following the trade, in the regular season, and though he played in all of the playoff games that year, he obviously was not in prime condition, and was wore out by the end of the Denver series, failing to shoot even one 3pt shot in those final two losses. In fact, he was a net positive in just 1 of the six games against Denver.

The next year, we were blown out in the 1st Round by Minnesota, 4-0, a -20 or more net negative in three of those losses...and this season, well...

Point being, we gave up very fruitful young players, and 5 other potential draftees, so while I don't mind trying to better the roster, maybe from here out, we better the roster by replacing the pieces that are the negatives, instead of the positives...

[Puff]

These clowns on the radio are not giving Bud any responsibility for any of the existing locker room problems, WTF.

Isn't it the coaches job or at least part of his job to fix the locker room?

Nurk had his issues but you cannot convince me that Richards or Plumlee is a better center that Nurk.

How have we improved our team by firing Monty and Vogel?

This locker room problem seems to have started when we acquired KD. Yeah, Monty had issues with Ayton but we traded Ayton prior to giving Vogel a chance to work with him. Who called for that to happen along with CP3 out and Beal in. I think it was the genius, Keving Durant.

I saw KD and Nurk yucking it up on the bench after last nights loss.

It is going to get worse before it gets better. Why in the world would KD or Beal want to be on this team?

It is all about the money.

Please trade KD immediately. I could care less as to who or what we get in return.

[King4Day]

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[King4Day]

Trade does not currently help us on the court at all.

Martin can defend but not a great shooter. Probably a bit better version Okogie.
Slightly better offensively
Slightly worse defensively
That's my guess at least based on what I've read on him

Micic might allow us to trade Morris or Jones for some picks.

[BobbieL]

Trade does not currently help us on the court at all.

The two players have no guaranteed contracts next year -- so a couple things
1) saw on twitter that this trade the Okogie trade will save Ishbia like 120m between this year and next


2) Bobby Marks on ESPN said this gets the Suns below the 2nd apron if they waive the two guys this summer

So they used a FRP to save cash

Now its time to get that FRP back and trade Durant

Shams mentioned they are still talking - maybe my Dallas idea will happen

Phoenix: Klay, PJ and Gafford and picks

Dallas: KD

Flip klay to the Warriors for Payton and Looney

[dremill24]

More middies!

[King4Day]

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[NavLDO]

He and Durant are the problems

Not Beal

Booker should be a Sun for life. I would never trade him but Durant is definitely going to want out this summer after they fielded offers for him from Warriors and Heat. Suns are stuck with Beal.

Booker doesn't have to be Sun for life.

Nash wasn't... Amare wasn't.... Heck Barkley wasn't with 76ers not Suns... other examples of superstars leaving their original teams like Shaq left Magic, heck Durant left Sonics/Thunder, Westbrook, Harden too.

The great Michael Jordan and Wilt played for multiple teams.


Had Booker helped Suns to a dynasty like Curry or Kobe, I can see the argument... but even then MJ had two dynasties and he still retired under a different jersey.


Booker has not done more than Nash, Barkley to warrant a push for him to stay until he retires. Booker also feels that way, so Suns fans in love with him are illogical.

Plus, if he ever wants to know what it feels like to win an NBA Championship, then he definitely needs to switch teams. It's not gonna happen here, under this eternal dark cloud that hangs over the Suns franchise, and certainly not by 2031, when he'll be past his prime...

[King4Day]

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[Fo-Real]

Trade does not currently help us on the court at all.

Martin can defend but not a great shooter. Probably a bit better version Okogie.
Slightly better offensively
Slightly worse defensively
That's my guess at least based on what I've read on him

Micic might allow us to trade Morris or Jones for some picks.

Well if we do not have any followup trades, then this trade dose not make us any better right now.

[BobbieL]

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Gambo saying another trade is unlikely but I just can't see the dynamic in the locker room

Its already terrible and Durant knowing he is being shopped

Booker seems like he knows the problem

Trade Booker in the summer, trade Durant now

[King4Day]

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[Fo-Real]

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Soooo..... We give up this year, tune in next time kids.

[BobbieL]

Trade does not currently help us on the court at all.

Martin can defend but not a great shooter. Probably a bit better version Okogie.
Slightly better offensively
Slightly worse defensively
That's my guess at least based on what I've read on him

Micic might allow us to trade Morris or Jones for some picks.

Well if we do not have any followup trades, then this trade dose not make us any better right now.

It saved Ishbia over $100m in cash and gets the team under the second apron this summer - if both players are released. Total cash dump

Not sure who the GM is but the last two years from the trade deadline to today has been a complete bleep show and cluster bleep

[dremill24]

Unless these guys develop a soul down the stretch, looks like there'll be fireworks in the summer

[dremill24]

Who gets more minutes moving forward, Dunn or Martin?

[BobbieL]

Unless these guys develop a soul down the stretch, looks like there'll be fireworks in the summer

There is going to be a report of what the Suns turned down for Durant and what they get this summer will be even less

I get not trading Booker - but they should have moved Durant if the trade was a solid B