Mark Williams trade to lakers for kconect 4 Cam and pick rescinded

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[EArl]

How do we feel about this? Im worried about long term health. If he stays healthy and keeps getting better this can be a steal. If not, we gave away all our value for an injury prone player.

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How do we feel about this? Im worried about long term health. If he stays healthy and keeps getting better this can be a steal. If not, we gave away all our value for an injury prone player.

Said Dallas about the AD trade

[Beethoven]

How do we feel about this? Im worried about long term health. If he stays healthy and keeps getting better this can be a steal. If not, we gave away all our value for an injury prone player.

We have to take a risk. If he doesn't work out this season and help in the playoffs push, well, it would have been worse without a center and Dalton just sitting on the bench being a spectator during the playoffs because he can't play defense.
At the VERY LEAST Mark fills that gaping hole with his height and wingspan.

[danfantastk32]

How do we feel about this? Im worried about long term health. If he stays healthy and keeps getting better this can be a steal. If not, we gave away all our value for an injury prone player.

Health/injury is unfortunately gonna be the variable you live with, with every player. Yes...some guys do things that improve the odds of injury....and yes, some guys have a clear history of injury.

Never a good thing seeing a 23 year old with back issues. And missing as many games as he did, it clearly wasnt a "sore back". So I agree we have some concerns there. Losing that FRP is a bad thing. It will hurt our ability to look elsewhere...should this not work out. But we do have him on a REALLY friendly deal. $4mil - $6mil - and then a qualifying offer $9mil. So we have a year or two to kick the tires before we pay the man.

I like this move, as I think he's the type of big that will fit with this offense. We don't need a big to spread the floor. We need a big to clean up around the hoop....and do a little banging now and then...keep other teams honest. He'll do just that. But I do have concerns with him having been on such a bad team. Easy to get nice numbers on a garbage team.

This guy has a real De'Andre Jordan feel to me. Maybe a little less hops. Just know what you have. Keep him near the basket, on both ends..and let him do what he does. Don't let other teams pull him out of the paint. These are things that will take a little time to hash out, but I think he'll get there, and be a great fit

[LakerPhan]

Even though Hayes has stepped it up the last few games, if the Lakers are truly in "Win-Now" mode (for LeBron's final 2-years) then this is a gamble they needed to take!

Even on a crappy team, he was averaging (about) 16 & 10, which is pretty good, I expect his points to go up playing with Luka & LeBron.

I hate losing Kencht, especially after losing Christie, but I suppose it was needed. Also, I am not sure why reddish has not been getting any playing time, even in garbage-time, but if he was injured or fell out of favor, he was not needed after getting Vando back.

Consider this comparison of Outgoing/Incoming stats:
Davis+Christie+Knecht = 43 ppg / 18 rpg / asp 6
Luka+ Williams = 44 ppg / rpg 18 / 11 asp

Looks close, but it 2 guys can match the numbers of 3 guys, that seems like an upgrade!

[LakerPhan]

Even though Hayes has stepped it up the last few games, if the Lakers are truly in "Win-Now" mode (for LeBron's final 2-years) then this is a gamble they needed to take!

Even on a crappy team, he was averaging (about) 16 & 10, which is pretty good, I expect his points to go up playing with Luka & LeBron.

I hate losing Kencht, especially after losing Christie, but I suppose it was needed. Also, I am not sure why reddish has not been getting any playing time, even in garbage-time, but if he was injured or fell out of favor, he was not needed after getting Vando back.

Consider this comparison of Outgoing/Incoming stats:
Davis+Christie+Knecht = 43 ppg / 18 rpg / asp 6
Luka+ Williams = 44 ppg / rpg 18 / 11 asp

Looks close, but it 2 guys can match the numbers of 3 guys, that seems like an upgrade!

[SlimShady83]

I didn't know anything about Mark b4 this, been watching some videos on youtube, seems to be good at catching lobs ... Expecting to see a lot of Luka/Mark lob plays

[Showtime:Part2]

F- availability availability availability. Someone do the bart Simpson meme but with rob writing it

[Pointgod]

Massive overpay considering his injury history.

[LakerPhan]

I just saw that he has a couple of 30+ point games and a few 20+ point games, he dominated Kessler the last time they met up, so yeah there are health concerns, but he is young and hopefully Lakers Med Staff can get him on the right path...

[dAdo dA dEvil]

Massive overpay considering his injury history.

But we are at the point that we don't really have too much choice and the deadline is coming up. This move made our team more complete and competitive as we got a big that we need now. Also, we were able to free up a roster space and cap space that we can use later on on the buy out market. I like Dalton's offense but at this point we need Mark Williams more.

[Anderson Hunt]

The Lakers will play at their best with him on the bench. Their small-ball lineups will be dominant, and their lineups with a traditional center will be passable. I wouldn't be surprised if Jaxon Hayes outplays Williams. This was a desperation move to appear as if they are appeasing Doncic. Pelinka is bad at creativity and ingenuity.

James and Doncic are bad on defense. Logic would tell you that you MUST surround those two with good defenders. Mark Williams is not a good defender. He doesn't defend bigs well, and he doesn't defend in space well. He's a poor defender.

With James and Doncic and Reaves on the roster, they don't need ANOTHER bad defender getting minutes. This isn't rocket science, but Pelinka isn't an intelligent visionary. He's a surface-level thinker.

As it stands, the Lakers are set to play four bad defenders in their starting lineup. Their saving grace will be when James, Finney-Smith, Vanderbilt, or Hachimura slide over to center, and this is where they should have dug in their heels.

When this team plays defense, they can win a ring. Their small-ball, swarming, switching defense should've been their bread and butter, but Pelinka chose -- again -- to listen to what players want. The truth is, Doncic would be fine without a big lob threat, and if he doesn't like it, he's a weak baby. But players are usually stupid. They don't know what works until they start winning.

The Lakers should've added two more quality 3&D wings, one to move Reaves to the bench as Doncic's backup and one to spell Finney-Smith.

They didn't need a center. They needed to double-down on what is working for them -- small-ball, small-ball, small-ball.

Williams will be nearly unplayable in the playoffs and Reaves won't fit with Doncic (just like Russell didn't fit with Reaves).

Reaves is good enough to contribute as an off the bench role-player, but acquiring Williams was a short-sighted move, blinded by size, length, good hands, athleticism, and (mostly) age. He'll score and board, but he won't defend, and that's what this team needs.

[LakersSoul]

First reaction :
Huge overpay by Lakers

Analyzed reaction:
Bit overpay but a smart move


Summary:
Lakers trade gifted shooter but defensively and focus challenged Knecht. Knecht can shoot the lights out and attack but lack of focus and defensive intensity were frustrating points.

Plus unprotected 2031 FRP + 2030 swap + Reddish


Hornets trade often injured, 7 footer Mark Williams. Gifted offensively with great touch and V efficient around the basket including lob threat and once a defensive stud, trying to find his way.

First 2 years had some ankle and foot issues that needed rest. Most recently, had lower back issue that needed rest and came back on minutes restriction until 2-3 weeks ago so numbers look bit down.

MW has the longest standing reach in NBA (9’9”) and was Defensive POY in ACC.


Overall:
Hornets decided to punt and got a good return. MW has Lot of potential but injury issues exist.

Lakers needed a center in the badest way or waste another year and worry Luka about franchise direction. They overpaid and took a risk but one with big upside that helps now and in timeline with Luka.

Instead of a stop-gap backup like Sharpe, they decided to go for broke with MW.

Knecht will be a microwave on O but will struggle on D for next 1-2 year at min and the Lakers could not wait. Plus Lakers unload Reddish to open up a slot for buyout which would have cost them 1-2 SRPs.

Bit of a win-win as Hornets get rookie contract and picks while Lakers add a 7 footer, 260lb big (15.6ppg, 9.6 rog) with huge upside thats needed now for rebounding and lob dunks. Lakers gamble on MWs health and that the picks will not be in most demand after adding Luka.

TLDR:
Overpay but smart and needed!

[Kilroy]

How do we feel about this? Im worried about long term health. If he stays healthy and keeps getting better this can be a steal. If not, we gave away all our value for an injury prone player.

Meh

[LakerPhan]

Williams is "only" making $4mil this year and $6mil next season (and a $8mil Player Option the year after that).

I heard one Sports caster say he may play even better when NOT on a LOSING Team (Charolette is currently tied for the SECOND WORSE record in the NBA).

Hayes has tons of energy, but makes lots of little mistakes, which is why the Lakers did not simply hand the Starting job over to him!

Williams is a risk that the Lakers are ok taking, like I said, he had TWO 30+ point games this season, not many Centers can claim that...!

[dirtymike]

How do we feel about this? Im worried about long term health. If he stays healthy and keeps getting better this can be a steal. If not, we gave away all our value for an injury prone player.

I am hurt about this.

[GoBobs]

The Lakers will play at their best with him on the bench. Their small-ball lineups will be dominant, and their lineups with a traditional center will be passable. I wouldn't be surprised if Jaxon Hayes outplays Williams. This was a desperation move to appear as if they are appeasing Doncic. Pelinka is bad at creativity and ingenuity.

James and Doncic are bad on defense. Logic would tell you that you MUST surround those two with good defenders. Mark Williams is not a good defender. He doesn't defend bigs well, and he doesn't defend in space well. He's a poor defender.

With James and Doncic and Reaves on the roster, they don't need ANOTHER bad defender getting minutes. This isn't rocket science, but Pelinka isn't an intelligent visionary. He's a surface-level thinker.

As it stands, the Lakers are set to play four bad defenders in their starting lineup. Their saving grace will be when James, Finney-Smith, Vanderbilt, or Hachimura slide over to center, and this is where they should have dug in their heels.

When this team plays defense, they can win a ring. Their small-ball, swarming, switching defense should've been their bread and butter, but Pelinka chose -- again -- to listen to what players want. The truth is, Doncic would be fine without a big lob threat, and if he doesn't like it, he's a weak baby. But players are usually stupid. They don't know what works until they start winning.

The Lakers should've added two more quality 3&D wings, one to move Reaves to the bench as Doncic's backup and one to spell Finney-Smith.

They didn't need a center. They needed to double-down on what is working for them -- small-ball, small-ball, small-ball.

Williams will be nearly unplayable in the playoffs and Reaves won't fit with Doncic (just like Russell didn't fit with Reaves).

Reaves is good enough to contribute as an off the bench role-player, but acquiring Williams was a short-sighted move, blinded by size, length, good hands, athleticism, and (mostly) age. He'll score and board, but he won't defend, and that's what this team needs.

This is 100% the problem. If Mark Williams could play in a league where zero contact was allowed he would be the MVP. Unfortunatly he plays a position where the most contact is allowed. The worst aspect of him is he allows the oposing bigs to play without being touched and they just go ham.

He will put up good stats. The guy he is guarding will go ham.

[Ball so hard]

The Lakers will play at their best with him on the bench. Their small-ball lineups will be dominant, and their lineups with a traditional center will be passable. I wouldn't be surprised if Jaxon Hayes outplays Williams. This was a desperation move to appear as if they are appeasing Doncic. Pelinka is bad at creativity and ingenuity.

James and Doncic are bad on defense. Logic would tell you that you MUST surround those two with good defenders. Mark Williams is not a good defender. He doesn't defend bigs well, and he doesn't defend in space well. He's a poor defender.

With James and Doncic and Reaves on the roster, they don't need ANOTHER bad defender getting minutes. This isn't rocket science, but Pelinka isn't an intelligent visionary. He's a surface-level thinker.

As it stands, the Lakers are set to play four bad defenders in their starting lineup. Their saving grace will be when James, Finney-Smith, Vanderbilt, or Hachimura slide over to center, and this is where they should have dug in their heels.

When this team plays defense, they can win a ring. Their small-ball, swarming, switching defense should've been their bread and butter, but Pelinka chose -- again -- to listen to what players want. The truth is, Doncic would be fine without a big lob threat, and if he doesn't like it, he's a weak baby. But players are usually stupid. They don't know what works until they start winning.

The Lakers should've added two more quality 3&D wings, one to move Reaves to the bench as Doncic's backup and one to spell Finney-Smith.

They didn't need a center. They needed to double-down on what is working for them -- small-ball, small-ball, small-ball.

Williams will be nearly unplayable in the playoffs and Reaves won't fit with Doncic (just like Russell didn't fit with Reaves).

Reaves is good enough to contribute as an off the bench role-player, but acquiring Williams was a short-sighted move, blinded by size, length, good hands, athleticism, and (mostly) age. He'll score and board, but he won't defend, and that's what this team needs.

I disagree with not needing a center. This is the one area in which there’s pretty much been a consensus. The thought of Hayes being our starting center makes me want to vomit. The small ball lineup you mentioned isn’t winning jack squat. This I’m almost certain of. Sure, a defensive rim running big would have been ideal. However, I don’t think any were available.

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