Raptors should have resigned Siakam if the end goal was to get Ingram

[Appostis]

He's younger.. he's cheaper....and you're ignoring the tank, OA, and Jakobe.

Love Pascal but we have a team all in their prime around Barnes.

Will Pascal have the same impact as BI in 2026-2028?

[Raptors Realtor]

This trade is better than re-signing Siakam who is old and was done with Toronto.

Honestly, I would have preferred using a similar package for Cam Johnson over Ingram. Already signed for a couple more seasons, defends well, is mostly healthy and is a shooter. He does everything we need out of Ingram without the high cost and injuries.

Plus, Johnson is way more tradeable.

Cam Johnson misses as many games to injury as Ingram.

[Jermaine OBosh]

Y'all realize we also got Ochai, Walter and used the TPE for Shead and Mogbo right?

So at minimum you're looking at Siakam vs Ingram (3 years younger), Ochai and Walter with an argument to Shead/Mogbo

We got Mogbo from OG trade.

[EastonEddy]

Nope….

I much rather have the added depth and Ingram’s ability to shoot the 3 and most importantly create off the dribble/iso as that is probably the most needed quality in a Playoff setting. Not to mention he’ll only be entering his prime while Pascal is coming out of his, so the timeline makes much more sense. Y’all gonna see in time just how much better of a fit this is.

Ingram has like 2 playoff wins in his career while Siakam lead a team to the ECF just last season... Might be underrating his playoff performance a bit.

Age isn't that big of a concern with Pascal he is always in great shape... he is is looking pretty damn good for the Pacers right now. Ingram has serious availability issues.

I'm intrigued by the trade but Pascal is a way better player. Barnes should have been shipped out to pair a star with Pascal. Look at what he is doing with the most inconsistent player in the league in Haliburton as his supporting cast.

[johanliebert]

I thought you Pascal stans travelled with him to Indiana.

[CazOnReal]

it's not Siakam vs Ingram.....it's Siakam vs Ingram/Ochai/Walter/Shead/2x SRPs

This is the thing people aren't getting.

Regardless of who you think is a better player (Siakam) or fit (Ingram), the amount of depth and talent we were able to break up Siakam into is impressive. Doubly so when you remember how little we actually got back from the Siakam trade (Bruce, Nwora, trade exception, 3 firsts, 2 of which were in a crappy draft).

[ATLTimekeeper]

Y'all realize we also got Ochai, Walter and used the TPE for Shead and Mogbo right?

So at minimum you're looking at Siakam vs Ingram (3 years younger), Ochai and Walter with an argument to Shead/Mogbo

Plus a much lower pick in this year's draft if pascal is playing the whole season

And his contract remains to be seen but is likely a lot cheaper than Pascal too

We don't even know if these are winning players yet, though. Depth in a tanking season, especially with rookies and young players, it really misleading. It's perceived depth because they're all getting court time. Just a couple of weeks ago the organization made it known only Scottie is a keeper, making the depth seem even less a part of the rebuild.

There isn't really a clear answer to this. How do you measure the alienation of Siakam in the organization during the period where they were trying to trade him? To me, Masai did damage to his own reputation and the club's.

[rapz101]

Y'all realize we also got Ochai, Walter and used the TPE for Shead and Mogbo right?

So at minimum you're looking at Siakam vs Ingram (3 years younger), Ochai and Walter with an argument to Shead/Mogbo

Plus a much lower pick in this year's draft if pascal is playing the whole season

And his contract remains to be seen but is likely a lot cheaper than Pascal too

We don't even know if these are winning players yet, though. Depth in a tanking season, especially with rookies and young players, it really misleading. It's perceived depth because they're all getting court time. Just a couple of weeks ago the organization made it known only Scottie is a keeper, making the depth seem even less a part of the rebuild.

There isn't really a clear answer to this. How do you measure the alienation of Siakam in the organization during the period where they were trying to trade him? To me, Masai did damage to his own reputation and the club's.

This thought process makes no sense. By your logic how do we know if any player is a winning player?

Shead and Mogbo are both 2nd rd picks, no one expects anything from a 2nd rd pick. The fact that they can step in and show value already is an indication that they can contribute to winning now or possibly in a greater capacity in the future. I think everyone knows, this team, as constructed, is not a great team.

Are you putting all your eggs into these players alone? Obviously not, but don’t act like these guys haven’t shown some promise to eventually becoming high impact players.

So yes, Shead, Mogbo, Jakobe and Ochai have all shown value and the potential to play key roles in a winning situation. They just need to grow.

[sidsid]

I think the original sin is Scottie as a cornerstone. All the decisions are flowing from that, and most of them are questionable at best.

We can't go back in time, though. Should have re-upped Playoff Powell, too. Masai's rebuild makes no sense because he doesn't build teams like this, and never has.

I hate to agree, but I agree. Moving up in the ‘21 draft will end up defining our 2020s. At this point, it feels like a curse.

I don't know if this is a more comforting explanation, but Masai does not change anything about his approach now regardless of who's on the team with Fred/Siakam/OG. Failure and post-deadline tanks then immediately pivoting to asset draining mediocrity trades are his ironclad plan. The rest is lip service.

The real reason we're here is much, much bleaker. We pivoted from building around the draft/stars/Wemby for a PNR between two role players...the turning point for this franchise was pissing away assets so that Fred/Jak could lose...to the Bulls...in 1 play-in game...that doesn't even statistically exist. Choosing between a shot at a generational talent for guaranteed failure. Inexcusable then and now.