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Re: ** Official 2025 Trade Deadline Thread ** 

Post#561 » by sixers hoops » Fri Feb 7, 2025 2:52 am

NearingZero wrote:
Foshan wrote:So a question for people who are good with Cap rules...

With us now under the tax, is it possible for us to keep Grimes and Yabuselle next season? Do we have any kind of 'rights' to Grimes? Assuming we don't trade George, and keep edwards/butler on small deals

Maxey/McCain/Butler
Grimes/Edwards/Gordon
George/Oubre/Council
Yabuselle/Bona/min
Embiid/Drummond/min

AFAIK, we should have full Bird rights for Grimes. I'm currently projecting them to have $19-20M under the 1st apron, meaning they'd have access to the non-tax MLE (up to $14.1M) for Yabu. But then they can't exceed the 1st apron all season, so Yabu+Grimes can't be too much combined.

If they can move Drummond and/or Gordon, they'd gain some additional flexibility. Depending on the Grimes contract especially, they might even be able to take back salary. Best case scenario as I see it without moving a big contract:

Embiid/George/Maxey/Oubre/McCain/Council/Bona on current contracts - $161.8M
Yabu + free agent using NTMLE - $14.1M
Grimes RFA deal - $7M (guess)
Trade acquisition (Drummond + picks) - $6.2M
Butler/Edwards/2nd round pick on min deals - $5.6M

Total - $194.7M
1st apron space - $1.2M


Reports say Grimes turned down 3 years, $27 million with Mavs. May have been a mistake, but we’ll see.
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Re: ** Official 2025 Trade Deadline Thread ** 

Post#562 » by the_process » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:09 am

sixers hoops wrote:
NearingZero wrote:
Foshan wrote:So a question for people who are good with Cap rules...

With us now under the tax, is it possible for us to keep Grimes and Yabuselle next season? Do we have any kind of 'rights' to Grimes? Assuming we don't trade George, and keep edwards/butler on small deals

Maxey/McCain/Butler
Grimes/Edwards/Gordon
George/Oubre/Council
Yabuselle/Bona/min
Embiid/Drummond/min

AFAIK, we should have full Bird rights for Grimes. I'm currently projecting them to have $19-20M under the 1st apron, meaning they'd have access to the non-tax MLE (up to $14.1M) for Yabu. But then they can't exceed the 1st apron all season, so Yabu+Grimes can't be too much combined.

If they can move Drummond and/or Gordon, they'd gain some additional flexibility. Depending on the Grimes contract especially, they might even be able to take back salary. Best case scenario as I see it without moving a big contract:

Embiid/George/Maxey/Oubre/McCain/Council/Bona on current contracts - $161.8M
Yabu + free agent using NTMLE - $14.1M
Grimes RFA deal - $7M (guess)
Trade acquisition (Drummond + picks) - $6.2M
Butler/Edwards/2nd round pick on min deals - $5.6M

Total - $194.7M
1st apron space - $1.2M


Reports say Grimes turned down 3 years, $27 million with Mavs. May have been a mistake, but we’ll see.


They have RFA rights. Just tender him and see what offers he gets. There aren't really any teams who have cap space.
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Re: ** Official 2025 Trade Deadline Thread ** 

Post#563 » by NearingZero » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:25 am

sixers hoops wrote:
NearingZero wrote:
Foshan wrote:So a question for people who are good with Cap rules...

With us now under the tax, is it possible for us to keep Grimes and Yabuselle next season? Do we have any kind of 'rights' to Grimes? Assuming we don't trade George, and keep edwards/butler on small deals

Maxey/McCain/Butler
Grimes/Edwards/Gordon
George/Oubre/Council
Yabuselle/Bona/min
Embiid/Drummond/min

AFAIK, we should have full Bird rights for Grimes. I'm currently projecting them to have $19-20M under the 1st apron, meaning they'd have access to the non-tax MLE (up to $14.1M) for Yabu. But then they can't exceed the 1st apron all season, so Yabu+Grimes can't be too much combined.

If they can move Drummond and/or Gordon, they'd gain some additional flexibility. Depending on the Grimes contract especially, they might even be able to take back salary. Best case scenario as I see it without moving a big contract:

Embiid/George/Maxey/Oubre/McCain/Council/Bona on current contracts - $161.8M
Yabu + free agent using NTMLE - $14.1M
Grimes RFA deal - $7M (guess)
Trade acquisition (Drummond + picks) - $6.2M
Butler/Edwards/2nd round pick on min deals - $5.6M

Total - $194.7M
1st apron space - $1.2M


Reports say Grimes turned down 3 years, $27 million with Mavs. May have been a mistake, but we’ll see.

Yeah, I was presenting an optimistic scenario for sure. I don't have a good sense of what's going to happen with RFAs of his caliber in the new CBA world.

As mentioned above, it's probably a good idea for the Sixers to let him see what's out there if he's still asking for more than 3/27. His QO is only going to be about $6.5M, so it won't restrict their other moves in the meantime. As long as they're confident they can get off Drummond's deal if needed, they should be able to match anything reasonable for Grimes.
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Re: ** Official 2025 Trade Deadline Thread ** 

Post#564 » by NearingZero » Fri Feb 7, 2025 4:31 am

Actually, it looks like Grimes' cap hold will be $12.9M (300% of his prior salary), which may actually limit them.

Assuming Oubre opts in, Edwards/Butler get minimum deals, and Grimes is unwilling to sign early in free agency, they probably need to dump Drummond or Gordon to offer Yabu enough. With both still on the roster, they can go to about $8.4M. Without Gordon, it's $11.9M. Without Drummond, it's $13.4M. Without both, they can offer the full NTMLE of $14.1M.
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Post#565 » by MVP1992 » Fri Feb 7, 2025 5:21 am

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Post#566 » by Samson » Fri Feb 7, 2025 9:57 am

MVP1992 wrote:Do universities offer degrees in the NBA CBA, trades, salary cap and cap intricacies?

Sounds like something an engineer and a bean counter concocted to create niche jobs.


I can't swear they do in the NBA, but people definitely specialize in the NFL.

The Jets had a (pretty dang good actually, he came very close to back-to-back Super Bowls & would have been considered a hero...) GM named Mike Tannenbaum. He planned on a career in front-office Sports Management all his life. It says he Majored in Accounting & Minored in Sports Management , and then specialized in Sports Law in Law School.

When Bill Parcells was the de-facto HC & GM of the Jets he brought Mike T on his team specifically because of his Salary Cap / CBA / rules & regs & particularly contracts etc. And from 1997 to 2012, the Jets didn't win any Super Bowls, but we almost *always* had either our pick of the FAs, the best/most-creative contracts , best salary-cap situation, no shortage of Signings & Trades & Draft Moves etc. So that type of thing definitely happens in sports. Same exact thing for the Eagles & Howie Roseman, who *is* considered a hero here. He was a very-smart young lawyer who mastered the NFL's rules/regs/salary cap and has parlayed it into a 25-year-career and is now a Super Bowl-winning, 2-time Exec of the Year GM. Of his hometown team, no less.

And you never know how having "those types", the super-smart, Extra **** of people on your team/organization/etc. helps. My HS Wrestling Coach was THE MAN, but we also had an Assistant Coach - he was RIGHT OUT OF COLLEGE, but when you're 15, someone who's 23 seems "Adult" etc. - He was a Masters Degree Chemistry guy, and he had the ability to analyze stuff ... he would take the Wrestling lineup, and just move people around according to Strengths & Weaknesses , match-to-match. We'd call it his "Stoichiometry" (which is some sort of entirely-unrelated Science Stuff that I couldn't remember if I tried) - he'd bump some people up in weight-classes, bump some down, match up the most favorable scenarios, and it made big differences. You can be having someone who knows how to do that with Contracts etc. has value. Anyone remember Donovan McNabb's Voidable Years saga? Or my Jets motherfreaking Darrelle Revis, who held out of Training Camp as a Rook, then 3 years later did it again because he wanted to be the highest-paid defender and Mike T was able to structure a contract that made both sides happy, then he did it AGAIN two years later, and the Jets had to just get rid of him. Versus, say, the motherfreaking Ivy League *WINNER* in Cleveland who not only trades for the moxt-radioactively-toxic (at the time) player in the game, giving up the Sun, Moon, & Stars in the process, but then signs him to the most patently-ridiculous-and-worst-contract-of-all-time. Because Moneyball, baby! Obviously Mr. Watson , ahem, gets on base?
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Post#567 » by M2J » Fri Feb 7, 2025 10:13 am

NearingZero wrote:Actually, it looks like Grimes' cap hold will be $12.9M (300% of his prior salary), which may actually limit them.

Assuming Oubre opts in, Edwards/Butler get minimum deals, and Grimes is unwilling to sign early in free agency, they probably need to dump Drummond or Gordon to offer Yabu enough. With both still on the roster, they can go to about $8.4M. Without Gordon, it's $11.9M. Without Drummond, it's $13.4M. Without both, they can offer the full NTMLE of $14.1M.

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This coincides with what Bobby Marks said.

Again I'm not sure that he Will demand 14 million or even more than nine, but we'll see. Seems like they're close enough that he'll take a little cut to stick around.
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Post#568 » by WentzerWuver » Fri Feb 7, 2025 10:27 am

NearingZero wrote:Actually, it looks like Grimes' cap hold will be $12.9M (300% of his prior salary), which may actually limit them.

Assuming Oubre opts in, Edwards/Butler get minimum deals, and Grimes is unwilling to sign early in free agency, they probably need to dump Drummond or Gordon to offer Yabu enough. With both still on the roster, they can go to about $8.4M. Without Gordon, it's $11.9M. Without Drummond, it's $13.4M. Without both, they can offer the full NTMLE of $14.1M.
Hopefully we can offer the full NTMLE to Yabu cause he is worth it unlike so many others on our roster.
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Re: ** Official 2025 Trade Deadline Thread ** 

Post#569 » by the_process » Fri Feb 7, 2025 1:36 pm

NearingZero wrote:Actually, it looks like Grimes' cap hold will be $12.9M (300% of his prior salary), which may actually limit them.

Assuming Oubre opts in, Edwards/Butler get minimum deals, and Grimes is unwilling to sign early in free agency, they probably need to dump Drummond or Gordon to offer Yabu enough. With both still on the roster, they can go to about $8.4M. Without Gordon, it's $11.9M. Without Drummond, it's $13.4M. Without both, they can offer the full NTMLE of $14.1M.


I think Oubre opts out. They just need to dump throw Drummond and Gordon into a trade on draft night.
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Post#570 » by Negrodamus » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:37 pm

If the NBA wants to make it's product interesting, they should force Ben to come back on the buyout market.
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Post#571 » by M2J » Fri Feb 7, 2025 5:34 pm

Gotta say, Morey actually theoretically cooked at the deadline. Got the shooting they so desperately needed with Grimes and perhaps Butler (who gives you McCain lite play). Looking forward to seeing what these guys can do with Maxey, and that's actually a welcome thing during a struggle year considering McCain is gone and folks wanted to see his development. These feel like moves that actually highlight Tyrese finally.... He's proving with spacing around him, he's a dude.

Grimes can eventually defend 1-3 and could potentially play with both McCain and Maxey George Joel (depending on what they do with McCain starting). Feels like he's the first true 2 guard though for both ends that they've had ever (theoretically) and should fit right into the starting lineup with Oubre.

Saved some money and now Yabu seems like a legit reality to stay.

Perhaps KMart gets cut this summer and returns....

Seems like they've set themselves up with guys that they can move forward with whether they try to contend with Joel and George or rebuild with Tyrese and McCain depending on how things play out.
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Re: ** Official 2025 Trade Deadline Thread ** 

Post#572 » by Tony Franciosa » Fri Feb 7, 2025 5:38 pm

Negrodamus wrote:If the NBA wants to make it's product interesting, they should force Ben to come back on the buyout market.


The league seems intent on forcing bad things on the Sixers, so why not!
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Post#573 » by Arsenal » Fri Feb 7, 2025 5:40 pm

M2J wrote:Gotta say, Morey actually theoretically cooked at the deadline. Got the shooting they so desperately needed with Grimes and perhaps Butler (who gives you McCain lite play). Looking forward to seeing what these guys can do with Maxey, and that's actually a welcome thing during a struggle year considering McCain is gone and folks wanted to see his development. These feel like moves that actually highlight Tyrese finally.... He's proving with spacing around him, he's a dude.

Grimes can eventually defend 1-3 and could potentially play with both McCain and Maxey George Joel (depending on what they do with McCain starting). Feels like he's the first true 2 guard though for both ends that they've had ever (theoretically) and should fit right into the starting lineup with Oubre.

Saved some money and now Yabu seems like a legit reality to stay.

Perhaps KMart gets cut this summer and returns....

Seems like they've set themselves up with guys that they can move forward with whether they try to contend with Joel and George or rebuild with Tyrese and McCain depending on how things play out.


This. Considering the situation he did well. We are now positioned to go either way (try to contend, or full rebuild) this offseason.

What path we choose will depend on Embiid and PG's availability and effectiveness.
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Post#574 » by M2J » Fri Feb 7, 2025 5:42 pm

https://www.youtube.com/live/_PITIsjJ1XU

Daryl presser

Wanted to get younger and more dynamic.... Sees Grimes as a great fit with Tyrese and Jared moving forward. McCain is a ROY level talent coming back next year.

Disappointing year with injuries, but Tyrese has given them chance to make playoffs.

Didn't want to make big trade with KMart considering how this season has gone, so wanted flexibility to keep guys that wanted (Yabu, Edwards, Kelly most likely)

Joel has seen like 10 physicians that believe his knee will overtime improve and they're managing symptoms of pain and swelling. Says that left knee injury management as a term for it but they have to be careful with what they name his injuries.

Still believes we're about to see a stretch of a healthy team.... Thinks that your have to best contending teams whether that's first or later rounds

Tyrese defense improved data wise and eye test and as a playmaker, but Joel is a top 5 guy they can win with

He feels very good about keeping Yabu after freeing up money... Never confident, but feels good about it.
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Post#575 » by the_process » Fri Feb 7, 2025 8:11 pm

M2J wrote:https://www.youtube.com/live/_PITIsjJ1XU

Daryl presser

Wanted to get younger and more dynamic.... Sees Grimes as a great fit with Tyrese and Jared moving forward. McCain is a ROY level talent coming back next year.

Disappointing year with injuries, but Tyrese has given them chance to make playoffs.

Didn't want to make big trade with KMart considering how this season has gone, so wanted flexibility to keep guys that wanted (Yabu, Edwards, Kelly most likely)

Joel has seen like 10 physicians that believe his knee will overtime improve and they're managing symptoms of pain and swelling. Says that left knee injury management as a term for it but they have to be careful with what they name his injuries.

Still believes we're about to see a stretch of a healthy team.... Thinks that your have to best contending teams whether that's first or later rounds

Tyrese defense improved data wise and eye test and as a playmaker, but Joel is a top 5 guy they can win with

He feels very good about keeping Yabu after freeing up money... Never confident, but feels good about it.


Some of his presser answers were of the "well, what else do you expect him to say?" variety.

Others were things he can't really speak directly about for one reason or another so he talked around them.

Substantive stuff: Maxey is materially better on defense, both by data and eye test and has improved as a playmaker.

Grimes is a better fit long term with Maxey and McCain than Caleb Martin (can make the assumption they plan on retaining him).

Jo is still a top 5 player we are building around and we have talked to 7-8-9 doctors now and they all agree going forward Jo should get better.

And now you've completely lost me, Morey.

One more thing: Derek's question about being hard capped at the first apron if using the NTMLE, after he understood it correctly, flustered him for a minute as if he had forgotten that new wrinkle.
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Post#576 » by WentzerWuver » Fri Feb 7, 2025 8:21 pm

Negrodamus wrote:If the NBA wants to make it's product interesting, they should force Ben to come back on the buyout market.
NO *** WAY! The home crowd would not tolerate his incompetence anymore even for a bag of chips with constant boos. Doubt he wants to even set foot in Philly ever again like KD ever wants to play for the Warriors again cause of one player!

https://youtube.com/shorts/rYXdRjtBj_E?si=4vLR_mHA1m8f7m-X

https://youtube.com/shorts/QOwcOD4rJLE?si=0-nqVG6vBR7YQafn
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Post#577 » by phillynative » Fri Feb 7, 2025 8:33 pm

the_process wrote:
M2J wrote:https://www.youtube.com/live/_PITIsjJ1XU

Daryl presser

Wanted to get younger and more dynamic.... Sees Grimes as a great fit with Tyrese and Jared moving forward. McCain is a ROY level talent coming back next year.

Disappointing year with injuries, but Tyrese has given them chance to make playoffs.

Didn't want to make big trade with KMart considering how this season has gone, so wanted flexibility to keep guys that wanted (Yabu, Edwards, Kelly most likely)

Joel has seen like 10 physicians that believe his knee will overtime improve and they're managing symptoms of pain and swelling. Says that left knee injury management as a term for it but they have to be careful with what they name his injuries.

Still believes we're about to see a stretch of a healthy team.... Thinks that your have to best contending teams whether that's first or later rounds

Tyrese defense improved data wise and eye test and as a playmaker, but Joel is a top 5 guy they can win with

He feels very good about keeping Yabu after freeing up money... Never confident, but feels good about it.


Some of his presser answers were of the "well, what else do you expect him to say?" variety.

Others were things he can't really speak directly about for one reason or another so he talked around them.

Substantive stuff: Maxey is materially better on defense, both by data and eye test and has improved as a playmaker.

Grimes is a better fit long term with Maxey and McCain than Caleb Martin (can make the assumption they plan on retaining him).

Jo is still a top 5 player we are building around and we have talked to 7-8-9 doctors now and they all agree going forward Jo should get better.

And now you've completely lost me, Morey.

One more thing: Derek's question about being hard capped at the first apron if using the NTMLE, after he understood it correctly, flustered him for a minute as if he had forgotten that new wrinkle.


Embiid is no longer a top 5 player with the amount games he's missed and decline in athleticism.
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Re: ** Official 2025 Trade Deadline Thread ** 

Post#578 » by Arsenal » Fri Feb 7, 2025 9:27 pm

Jake LaRavia got traded to the KANGZ. He's having a breakout year and would be a great target in the offseason if we lose Guerschon.
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Post#579 » by youngcrev » Fri Feb 7, 2025 11:03 pm

WentzerWuver wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:If the NBA wants to make it's product interesting, they should force Ben to come back on the buyout market.
NO *** WAY! The home crowd would not tolerate his incompetence anymore even for a bag of chips with constant boos. Doubt he wants to even set foot in Philly ever again like KD ever wants to play for the Warriors again cause of one player!

https://youtube.com/shorts/rYXdRjtBj_E?si=4vLR_mHA1m8f7m-X

https://youtube.com/shorts/QOwcOD4rJLE?si=0-nqVG6vBR7YQafn


I actually don't think he'd get booed if he chose to come back. It would be the one time in his NBA career that he actually showed some balls.

Side note, what's with constantly posting links? Like, every post.
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Post#580 » by Negrodamus » Fri Feb 7, 2025 11:09 pm

Doesn't Ben still have a house in NJ? I don't think he'd be 100% not interested, especially with a redemption arc.

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