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2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1981 » by DreamTeam09 » Fri Feb 7, 2025 6:18 am

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Psubs wrote:Anthony Bennett was not tall enough as a tweener. Is Rasheer Fleming's floor a taller fitter Anthony Bennett with a high motor?



I think more likely he's DaRon Holmes 2.0.



Flemming is more slender than both Holmes and Bennett. I feel he's more of a 4/3 rather than a 4/5.. I'm really high on Flemming, his 3pt shot is legit


Fleming's 3 point shot is not legit at all. He's a tweener. His 8.9 BPM is against 1.09 SOS. I was scavenging through +++ WS players last month hoping to find gold and Fleming underwhelmed. I don't think he's a guy at all.


He's at 40% on 4 3pa this year. Is that not legit, his form looks good too
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1982 » by BoyzNTheHood » Fri Feb 7, 2025 12:09 pm

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REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:I love how people use injuries to excuse players just being flat out bad in certain regards. Last year it was done with Cody Williams among others.


If you’re talking about Kasp, he went from knocking down step backs to shooting 14%. So either his first 70% of games were flukes, he’s in a slump, his injury somehow affected his shooting, or a fourth reason.

Speculating on the reasoning behind his shooting woes isn’t the same as “using excuses”.


Oh no Kasparas just sucks, doesn't have the handle, shot creation or athleticism to be anything of substance in the NBA. I was very hopeful for him earlier in the year and the film and production has been incredibly underwhelming. Not only is his handle sloppy and he's prone to lost ball turnovers but he carries little driving gravity, most of his passing is overhead swing passes along the perimeter. Really overhyped player. Topic last year clears him easily.

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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1983 » by Thaddy » Fri Feb 7, 2025 12:54 pm

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If you’re talking about Kasp, he went from knocking down step backs to shooting 14%. So either his first 70% of games were flukes, he’s in a slump, his injury somehow affected his shooting, or a fourth reason.

Speculating on the reasoning behind his shooting woes isn’t the same as “using excuses”.


Oh no Kasparas just sucks, doesn't have the handle, shot creation or athleticism to be anything of substance in the NBA. I was very hopeful for him earlier in the year and the film and production has been incredibly underwhelming. Not only is his handle sloppy and he's prone to lost ball turnovers but he carries little driving gravity, most of his passing is overhead swing passes along the perimeter. Really overhyped player. Topic last year clears him easily.

Jesus Christ

Demin is more likely than Kasp to be good. Guards with athletic issues usually suck.
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Post#1984 » by BoyzNTheHood » Fri Feb 7, 2025 1:29 pm

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Oh no Kasparas just sucks, doesn't have the handle, shot creation or athleticism to be anything of substance in the NBA. I was very hopeful for him earlier in the year and the film and production has been incredibly underwhelming. Not only is his handle sloppy and he's prone to lost ball turnovers but he carries little driving gravity, most of his passing is overhead swing passes along the perimeter. Really overhyped player. Topic last year clears him easily.

Jesus Christ

Demin is more likely than Kasp to be good. Guards with athletic issues usually suck.

I’ll take that bet.
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Post#1985 » by ImaBeatDatAzz » Fri Feb 7, 2025 1:44 pm

It’s gonna be Edgecomb with us, I just feel it. We’re not gonna get top 3. Masai picks Edgecomb with either 4 or 5
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1986 » by RoteSchroder » Fri Feb 7, 2025 1:50 pm

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REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:I love how people use injuries to excuse players just being flat out bad in certain regards. Last year it was done with Cody Williams among others.


If you’re talking about Kasp, he went from knocking down step backs to shooting 14%. So either his first 70% of games were flukes, he’s in a slump, his injury somehow affected his shooting, or a fourth reason.

Speculating on the reasoning behind his shooting woes isn’t the same as “using excuses”.


Oh no Kasparas just sucks, doesn't have the handle, shot creation or athleticism to be anything of substance in the NBA. I was very hopeful for him earlier in the year and the film and production has been incredibly underwhelming. Not only is his handle sloppy and he's prone to lost ball turnovers but he carries little driving gravity, most of his passing is overhead swing passes along the perimeter. Really overhyped player. Topic last year clears him easily.


Seems like you’re talking about passing out of the P/R, which is the most common play in basketball. I just did a tally on one of his poorer games:

Out of 15 passes, 3 were perimeter swing passes, about 10 were passes out of the pick and roll. The reason he had to keep passing out of the P/R is cause of the gravity he kept drawing after coming off the screen. Opposing big would also go under the screen on all these passes.

Five TO’s, none were really ball-handling related. Three were from bad passes, one was from dragging his pivot foot while turning in the paint, one was off of a handoff where the ball bounced off his foot on the first dribble.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1987 » by MessiahUjiri » Fri Feb 7, 2025 1:55 pm

ImaBeatDatAzz wrote:It’s gonna be Edgecomb with us, I just feel it. We’re not gonna get top 3. Masai picks Edgecomb with either 4 or 5



That sounds correct, VJ is a Masai type of player (athletic, good defender, poor shooter).

I’m actually ok with that, if he shows some shooting improvement. He’s got a very very high ceiling if he works out, and we can use a POA defender.

VJ might not be available past 4. We are likely going to be #5/6, if odds go as expected.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1988 » by ImaBeatDatAzz » Fri Feb 7, 2025 2:02 pm

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ImaBeatDatAzz wrote:It’s gonna be Edgecomb with us, I just feel it. We’re not gonna get top 3. Masai picks Edgecomb with either 4 or 5



That sounds correct, VJ is a Masai type of player (athletic, good defender, poor shooter).

I’m actually ok with that, if he shows some shooting improvement. He’s got a very very high ceiling if he works out, and we can use a POA defender.

VJ might not be available past 4. We are likely going to be #5/6, if odds go as expected.

His shooting has shown good improvement already, I just really hope we land 4 again atleast. If it’s 5 it’s fine too because we go for Jak then. After 5 then I’m depressed tbh, but still can go for Tre Johnson (best pure scorer in the draft). Then look to trade RJ
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Post#1989 » by ImaBeatDatAzz » Fri Feb 7, 2025 2:04 pm

I’m praying we’re not forced to take Demin (fall to 8)
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1990 » by RoteSchroder » Fri Feb 7, 2025 2:27 pm

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If you’re talking about Kasp, he went from knocking down step backs to shooting 14%. So either his first 70% of games were flukes, he’s in a slump, his injury somehow affected his shooting, or a fourth reason.

Speculating on the reasoning behind his shooting woes isn’t the same as “using excuses”.


Oh no Kasparas just sucks, doesn't have the handle, shot creation or athleticism to be anything of substance in the NBA. I was very hopeful for him earlier in the year and the film and production has been incredibly underwhelming. Not only is his handle sloppy and he's prone to lost ball turnovers but he carries little driving gravity, most of his passing is overhead swing passes along the perimeter. Really overhyped player. Topic last year clears him easily.


Seems like you’re talking about passing out of the P/R, which is the most common play in basketball. I just did a tally on one of his poorer games:

Out of 15 passes, 3 were perimeter swing passes, about 10 were passes out of the pick and roll. The reason he had to keep passing out of the P/R is cause of the gravity he kept drawing after coming off the screen. Opposing big would also go under the screen on all these passes.

Five TO’s, none were really ball-handling related. Three were from bad passes, one was from dragging his pivot foot while turning in the paint, one was off of a handoff where the ball bounced off his foot on the first dribble.


Just did a tally for Demin for one of his higher assist games:

3 perimeter swing passes, 6 P/R, one drive and kick, two high low passes, 5 passes in transition (one being a drive and kick)

In all of Kasp’s passes out of the P/R, he’s driving 1-2+ steps into the arc because the opposing big is going under the screen. It’s usually too crowded to drive any further.

In the game with Demin, he almost never steps foot within the 3 point arc for his passes in a half court setting, defenders and hedging and doubling at the 3 point line leaving the roll man open. In his other passes, the team is usually just running a set play and Demin passes from a stand still position.
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Re: 2025 NBA Draft Prospect Part 2 

Post#1991 » by Nature » Fri Feb 7, 2025 2:49 pm

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ImaBeatDatAzz wrote:It’s gonna be Edgecomb with us, I just feel it. We’re not gonna get top 3. Masai picks Edgecomb with either 4 or 5



That sounds correct, VJ is a Masai type of player (athletic, good defender, poor shooter).

I’m actually ok with that, if he shows some shooting improvement. He’s got a very very high ceiling if he works out, and we can use a POA defender.

VJ might not be available past 4. We are likely going to be #5/6, if odds go as expected.


Only thing that bothers me about VJ is his height. Listed at 6'5" but always looks like the smallest guy on the court. I think he's closer to 6'2" than 6'5" in reality.
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