2024-2025 Regular Season Game 53: Orlando Magic (25-27) at Denver Nuggets (32-19) - 9pm

[ogmagicfan]

For a FO that's known for drafting athletic length over skills, we are amazingly unathletic and yet have less skilled players than most other teams.

Both 2023 picks are minus athletes, Isaac was never a jump athlete but now he is slow, Suggs is a very good athlete but lack coordination, WCJ is a meh athlete, Paolo is a good athlete but not more (reason he is a bad finisher), Franz is a very good athlete except jumping ability, Gary Harris Jr & Sr are meh athletes, Cole is a good athlete but super undersized, Goga is a solid athlete, TDS is a meh or maybe minus athlete...

This definitely jumps out when I watch other teams play, especially when their guards push the pace of the ball and have a great first step.

Isaac was a top tier athlete though before the injury, his quick twitch was arguably the craziest I've ever seen on the defensive end, still great on that end, although worse with the added weight

We need a PG who likes to push the pace and an above the rim big

[GelbeWand09]

For a FO that's known for drafting athletic length over skills, we are amazingly unathletic and yet have less skilled players than most other teams.

Both 2023 picks are minus athletes, Isaac was never a jump athlete but now he is slow, Suggs is a very good athlete but lack coordination, WCJ is a meh athlete, Paolo is a good athlete but not more (reason he is a bad finisher), Franz is a very good athlete except jumping ability, Gary Harris Jr & Sr are meh athletes, Cole is a good athlete but super undersized, Goga is a solid athlete, TDS is a meh or maybe minus athlete...

This definitely jumps out when I watch other teams play, especially when their guards push the pace of the ball and have a great first step.

Isaac was a top tier athlete though before the injury, his quick twitch was arguably the craziest I've ever seen on the defensive end, still great on that end, although worse with the added weight

We need a PG who likes to push the pace and an above the rim big

Yea same about Isaac. On the ground he was a amazing athlete but he was never a great or quick jumper. That's what I mean.

[ogmagicfan]

Rockets lost 5 in a row, saying they look like a 30 win team without VanVleet.. try playing four years without a point guard!

If I knew we would go this long without a real PG, I would have agreed with Knightro on FVV 2 summers ago.

I'm writing for 2years that not getting him that trade deadline was biggest mistake they made so far. He is just such great fit. Great passer, great defender, can play either guard spot, perfect fit next to any of our guards, can play on and off the ball, not super high usage hence perfect fit next to our forwards, super high intangibles, good age... But hey some people said we had Fultz and he is better and Van Fleet is a horrible defender (turned Rockets from bottom 3 to top 3 defense in one offseason and is one of the highest rated players in Def. Epm)

but he's too old and will demand too much usage (so many posters were saying this)

He's only 30 and his usage his last season on the Raptors was nearly the same as Fultz that season

He's an intangible monster, high volume 3 pt shooter, elite a/to ratio, and great defender.

but he's not 6'5 so he's too small to play good defense

He was the perfect fit, had a championship already and experience, and couldve provided guidance to Suggs & AB to develop as PGs. It made TOO MUCH sense

I will never forgive the FO for not signing him. We would be a top 3 seed in the East right now. Easy 50+ wins

[pepe1991]

If best you can get is "32 percentage three point shooter" and guy shoots 5% below league's average on TS% that is 7% below league's average, defending him is losing argument.

Over the last 10 games Jett has shot 44% from 3. Last 15 games he’s 36%. This isn’t counting tonight’s game.

He has a lot of warts in the rest of his game but if you’re telling me that a team desperate for shooting can’t find a way to get a 44% shooter some more opportunities I don’t know what to say. We should have a good enough defense to cover him. What we don’t have is good enough shooting to make Paolo and Franz’s lives easier.

But let’s give Queen 5 attempts to miss from 3 because he runs a lot.

5/10 games were garbage time points or/and he played sub 10 min.
Also look at his actual scoring in past 10 games:
16/41 FG (39%)
11/27 for 3 (41%)
FTA total - 2
TS= 51%

It's still horrid offense. It's just him making some wide open shots, mostly in garbage time.

Whole last year i kept saying that sending somebody in G league won't develop anything in his game and once he gets called on main roster he will still be- a rookie in nba.
I still fail to see what was thought process behind holding onto both picks in that draft. You knew you won't have much PT to use them, you knew Franz and Paolo are good, you knew Jett was very mediocre college prospect. What was logic behind it?

And than they send him to G league where they use him in ways he will never be used in nba.

[Bensational]

If best you can get is "32 percentage three point shooter" and guy shoots 5% below league's average on TS% that is 7% below league's average, defending him is losing argument.

Over the last 10 games Jett has shot 44% from 3. Last 15 games he’s 36%. This isn’t counting tonight’s game.

He has a lot of warts in the rest of his game but if you’re telling me that a team desperate for shooting can’t find a way to get a 44% shooter some more opportunities I don’t know what to say. We should have a good enough defense to cover him. What we don’t have is good enough shooting to make Paolo and Franz’s lives easier.

But let’s give Queen 5 attempts to miss from 3 because he runs a lot.

5/10 games were garbage time points or/and he played sub 10 min.
Also look at his actual scoring in past 10 games:
16/41 FG (39%)
11/27 for 3 (41%)
FTA total - 2
TS= 51%

It's still horrid offense. It's just him making some wide open shots, mostly in garbage time.

Whole last year i kept saying that sending somebody in G league won't develop anything in his game and once he gets called on main roster he will still be- a rookie in nba.
I still fail to see what was thought process behind holding onto both picks in that draft. You knew you won't have much PT to use them, you knew Franz and Paolo are good, you knew Jett was very mediocre college prospect. What was logic behind it?

And than they send him to G league where they use him in ways he will never be used in nba.

The team needs 3pt shooting, I’m strictly saying he is our best option and we aren’t making any effort to take advantage of that. I’m not talking about him being an offensive creator so that’s a moot point. Jett being in G League was more about getting him into NBA shape because he moved like Andrew Nicholson when he first came into the league. He’s still slow, but his shot is legit and we should tap it more. Why this is an outrageous statement I don’t understand when y’all are complaining about the lack of shooting.

[CarraT]

I'm so tired of this team and the lazy, half-asleep Weltman front office ignoring our glaring needs for years. Until we make the play-in (if that even happens), I'm done watching the games. I'll just glance at the box score to see how badly we've been shooting yet again.

I'll start watching regular season again when we finally have a real playmaker guard, one who can at least shoot at a league-average level.

[SOUL]

NBA is a funny place after deadline/losses.

Magic fans are pissed Weltman did nothing to help win
Mavs fans leaving en masse
Bulls and Blazers fans are pissed they didn't trade anyone to help tank (Blazers look legit now though)
Nuggets fans are pissed they didn't make a splashy move despite being 6th best record
Celtics fans are pissed they've been a .500 team for like a month despite 3rd best record
Rockets fans are pissed after a losing streak saying they're 1st round exits

Half of the comments saving fire X/trade Y/etc just shows that nobody is ever truly happy maybe just OKC fans

[Optimus_Steel]

Saw the signs mid to late 2nd quarter. On offense no movement, no penetration, and forcing bad shots which lead to a complete meltdown on defense as Den had tons of space to operate and play comfortable. Rinse and repeat. Chicago 2.5 games back, Philly 3.5 back, lose out and get your lottery pick and overhaul in the summer. Major needs: competent PG play, guard athleticism, guard penetration, and of course 3pt shooting. Our guard deficiency is so alarmingly bad. Weltman is going to have to overpay, just get it done wussy.

[Bergmaniac]

I've watched a lot of Denver games this year and this was easily the best their defence has looked so far, they have usually been quite bad on this end. And that was largely because we made it very easy for them, their main weakness is athletic guards with scoring ability (Maxey and Ant lit them up recently, for example, on the way to their teams scoring 130+), we don't have any of these. They give up a lot of good looks from 3s in general but that's not a problem against us since we can't shoot. Our slow pace is also very much welcomed by opposing defenses.

[three3d]

ownership deserves some heat too.....they got to light a fire under the Front office asses every now and again to let them know they don't have an unlimited contract.....seems like they're content with this BS

All the DeVos’s have to do honestly is give a damn, if they cared any about what was going on they’d walk Into his office and tell him to fix it now. Ultimately in the end Weltman will be the public face of all the blame and hate and be fired or resign and the process will repeat all over again. We’ve been doing it for over 30 years now the same thing every 4-8 years same cycle, same bs. Weltman is doing what the owners want.

[eyriq]

Our three point shooting issues are structural. Our top five in three point attempts are Suggs, KCP, Franz, TDS, and Cole. I think we need at least one three point specialist in our top 5. Typically, Paolo would be in the top five as well. It's just a mess.

[eyriq]

Paolo, Franz, and Suggs will always be in our top five for three point attempts. I think a three point specialist in the starting lineup and another off the bench is the right recipe.

[JoshuaPotter]

Not ok with the loss, but on a back to back when we regularly play poor i'm not upset either.

[GameOver25]

I reminder when Mosley first come along, he proclaimed we'd play with pace and space. We play the total opposite.

[Bergmaniac]

At least I got a good laugh during the game when the Denver play-by-play commentator said that Wendell's jumpshot looks improved this season, he obviously haven't watched him in any non-Denver games this year.

And yes, Vanvllet is overpaid, but he'd have been a great fit here, never understood the "He is a poor defender" comments, he has been a part of many really good defences and defence first coaches like Udoka love him.

[Def Swami]

There was a lineup of Black, Queen, Paolo, Isaac, and Goga last night. Against Jokic and 4 shooters all night.

[Black and Blue]

The Spurs coaching staff is literally yelling at the team to not even guard Wendell Carter. He is catching the ball and the Spurs are daring him to shoot anything. The disrespect is strong tonight!