Official Brandon Ingram Thread

[MEDIC]

One of my favourite things about Ingram is how he attacks the rim. For a guy with great footwork and finesse he goes in strong and doesn’t shy away from contact.

I think the Raptors’ culture will be a big difference from what he’s experienced in New Orleans and might unlock something more in his game.

He doesn't really get to the rim much, unless I'm looking at the stats wrong?

You need to look at his pre- vs post-Zion stats. Ingram cut his proportion of FGA at the rim in half once Zion was drafted since Zion can’t shoot beyond 10 feet (90%+ of his shots are inside 10 feet!). Ingram started shooting a lot more from the mid-range and long 2s.

It is true that he doesn’t do it a lot, which is why I said how he attacks the rim. If you watch some of BI’s highlights you’ll see how aggressive he is attacking the rim, often looking to dunk the ball (unlike Pascal for example) and inviting contact.

Scottie definitely plays inside a lot but not exclusively like Zion (his 3 pt shooting definitely needs to improve). A notable difference IMO is that Ingram is clearly the best scorer on the Raptors whereas he and Zion were trying a 1A/1B thing with the Pelicans.

With Ingram being the #1 option on offence it takes a lot of pressure off Scottie needing to score and should allow him to lean into his natural playmaking abilities more. At the same time, Ingram is actually a pretty good playmaker himself so it’s not like he’ll be a black hole where Scottie won’t get opportunities to score anymore once he gives up the ball. Will they be successful? Who knows, but there is potential and I think it will be fun to watch.

This is a good take. As we have seen with Darko, he really encourages guys to be aggressive in attacking (Dick, Barnes, RJ, Walter). Even Kelly & Jakob were pretty aggressive considering their capability.

I was actually really impressed with his ability to attack the rim in some of his early highlights with the Lakers & Pels.

The biggest thing with BI is staying healthy. If he does, I think we will see him unlock another level to his game. Sometimes a change of scenery & having new influencess can complately change a career.

[StopitLeo]

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That's interesting. He must be planning to work with them on a contract. Why else would he throw away 2.1 million dollars?

It’s likely they already have a handshake agreement (like with Poeltl). Ingram can easily recover the waived trade kicker with a signing bonus. That works out better for the team since it gets paid upfront but is spread out over the entire term of the contract for cap purposes. Maybe he even gets a bit more than the TK.

[MEDIC]

Who do you think BI's best comps are?

I have seen stat heads compare his game to Beal & Booker. I have seen fans say he is a lanky Derozan. I have also seen KD lite or PG lite.

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That's interesting. He must be planning to work with them on a contract. Why else would he throw away 2.1 million dollars?

Probably because we're about to overpay him

But on a serious note, likely to start the relationship off on a good note, doesn't benefit him to bitch and moan about 2mil if he's getting a 3-5 year extension.

I share the hope of him being healthy next year, but there is nothing to indicate it'll happen. He's missed over 30% of his eligible games since his rookie year where he actually played 79 games. Not a good sign.

I like BI as a player, but the best ability is availability, and that is one he's never had.

[RaptorLakerJay]

This is a great clip of Ingram.

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[tsherkin]

This is a great clip of Ingram.

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It's a nice clip. I think Scase had it when he said "the best ability is availability," though. It'd be faintly miraculous if we were able to reverse a decade-long trend of weak durability, but if we could... well. If we can find ways to help RJ look a little better, score more efficiently, maybe we'll be able to do the same with Ingram.

[tsherkin]

All right. I'm gonna try something. I've been fairly pessimistic about the Raptors and our players and everything like that. Mostly got it right with Scottie. Was both right and wrong with RJ; we did the things that I wanted at the start of the season and they've started to work while I was being impatient and bitching about his efficiency earlier on (even as I said we need to wait, lol). Been fairly pessimistic about Ingram to start.

But screw it. Let's try the optimism route. He's got all the scoring skills we want from Scottie: mid-range game, 3pt shot, drawing fouls. He's been injured as hell, not getting to the rim, but he was getting there earlier in his career. So maybe we can open it up, get him some passing support, some better lanes to the rim and he can have a little renaissance with us. That'd be nice. Starting next year, ideally, heh, but either way.

Here's hoping he can find a nice little stretch of health and quality play with us.

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That's interesting. He must be planning to work with them on a contract. Why else would he throw away 2.1 million dollars?

Probably because we're about to overpay him

But on a serious note, likely to start the relationship off on a good note, doesn't benefit him to bitch and moan about 2mil if he's getting a 3-5 year extension.

I share the hope of him being healthy next year, but there is nothing to indicate it'll happen. He's missed over 30% of his eligible games since his rookie year where he actually played 79 games. Not a good sign.

I like BI as a player, but the best ability is availability, and that is one he's never had.

On the open market he's likely going to play for a crap team. Raptors will give him a 4 year extension at the max, which is less than the FA max, but he's guaranteed it.

To me he's analogous to Pete Alonso of the Mets. Pete turned down a large extension offer then free agency hit and it dragged on and he eventually re-signed with the Mets but on a short 2 year deal.

I think it will happen once he starts playing in games and shows at least that he's currently healthy.

[MEDIC]

This is a great clip of Ingram.

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It's a nice clip. I think Scase had it when he said "the best ability is availability," though. It'd be faintly miraculous if we were able to reverse a decade-long trend of weak durability, but if we could... well. If we can find ways to help RJ look a little better, score more efficiently, maybe we'll be able to do the same with Ingram.

He needs to follow the Steph Curry ankle stabilization plan.

[MEDIC]

All right. I'm gonna try something. I've been fairly pessimistic about the Raptors and our players and everything like that. Mostly got it right with Scottie. Was both right and wrong with RJ; we did the things that I wanted at the start of the season and they've started to work while I was being impatient and bitching about his efficiency earlier on (even as I said we need to wait, lol). Been fairly pessimistic about Ingram to start.

But screw it. Let's try the optimism route. He's got all the scoring skills we want from Scottie: mid-range game, 3pt shot, drawing fouls. He's been injured as hell, not getting to the rim, but he was getting there earlier in his career. So maybe we can open it up, get him some passing support, some better lanes to the rim and he can have a little renaissance with us. That'd be nice. Starting next year, ideally, heh, but either way.

Here's hoping he can find a nice little stretch of health and quality play with us.

That's all we got now. We know the path forward (& I think its a good path). Lets cheer for these guys and enjoy the ride.

They have a lot of talent on the team for an organization that may be picking top 5 in the draft. We are in a very good spot to start building a winning team next season.

[Psubs]

With such depth, I think Ingram can play less than the 33+ mins he's used to.

Scottie 33
RJ - 32
Ingram - 30

IQ, Dick, Poeltl and Agbaji all getting their usual 25-30 mpg.

[tsherkin]

He needs to follow the Steph Curry ankle stabilization plan.

I mean, if we can figure something out which keeps him healthy for like 70 games, then that isn't awful. He's had seasons in the mid-60s, so it shouldn't be TOO much of a stretch, maybe? Definitely need to be optimistic to think that, but we'll see.

That's all we got now. We know the path forward (& I think its a good path). Lets cheer for these guys and enjoy the ride.

They have a lot of talent on the team for an organization that may be picking top 5 in the draft. We are in a very good spot to start building a winning team next season.

Yeah, we'll see how it goes. I know that we're probably not going to get either of the guys I'm excited about in the draft, so I'm starting on my regimen of copium early, lol.

[YogurtProducer]

All right. I'm gonna try something. I've been fairly pessimistic about the Raptors and our players and everything like that. Mostly got it right with Scottie. Was both right and wrong with RJ; we did the things that I wanted at the start of the season and they've started to work while I was being impatient and bitching about his efficiency earlier on (even as I said we need to wait, lol). Been fairly pessimistic about Ingram to start.

But screw it. Let's try the optimism route. He's got all the scoring skills we want from Scottie: mid-range game, 3pt shot, drawing fouls. He's been injured as hell, not getting to the rim, but he was getting there earlier in his career. So maybe we can open it up, get him some passing support, some better lanes to the rim and he can have a little renaissance with us. That'd be nice. Starting next year, ideally, heh, but either way.

Here's hoping he can find a nice little stretch of health and quality play with us.

And worst case is he gets hurt and we just tank again. We really are in a low risk high reward situation.

[tsherkin]

And worst case is he gets hurt and we just tank again. We really are in a low risk high reward situation.

Yeah, but I don't really want to tank AGAIN. I'm not a big fan of repetitious tanking, you know? Targeted tanks only. And if he gets hurt, he'll be hurt on an extension, though I guess it's "only" going to be for 3 years, if I have that right. Still, not ideal.

But there's also the chance that he gives us 64 games. He did it last year. That's not amazing, that's nearly 20 games missed, but it's also closer to tolerable than the 55- and 45-game seasons, I suppose. Anyway, as you say, we COULD just tank again and see what comes of that. I'm hoping we won't have to, of course. On balance, I'd rather us be winning.

[Scase]

That's interesting. He must be planning to work with them on a contract. Why else would he throw away 2.1 million dollars?

Probably because we're about to overpay him

But on a serious note, likely to start the relationship off on a good note, doesn't benefit him to bitch and moan about 2mil if he's getting a 3-5 year extension.

I share the hope of him being healthy next year, but there is nothing to indicate it'll happen. He's missed over 30% of his eligible games since his rookie year where he actually played 79 games. Not a good sign.

I like BI as a player, but the best ability is availability, and that is one he's never had.

On the open market he's likely going to play for a crap team. Raptors will give him a 4 year extension at the max, which is less than the FA max, but he's guaranteed it.

To me he's analogous to Pete Alonso of the Mets. Pete turned down a large extension offer then free agency hit and it dragged on and he eventually re-signed with the Mets but on a short 2 year deal.

I think it will happen once he starts playing in games and shows at least that he's currently healthy.

My only concern is that they called the BI trade as a "long term" plan, but I guess that really depends on what long term means to them.

I'm not super....low? I guess, on this trade, but I am low on where we're at with it so far. I was hoping we'd move RJ and get some stuff back on top of Ingram, because I absolutely do not see the fit with this SL, and really with RJ in general. If that had happened, I'd actually be fairly positive on the whole trade and probably give it a B. If things change in the offseason I will reassess my opinion on it when we see the details of the new deal, and if we end up moving a starter to have a more cohesive SL.

But for now, it's extremely underwhelming, even more so if we don't end up with a top 5 pick. Even if he doesn't play a single minute this year, if we don't get a high pick, that weighs on the value of the trade as well. That's probably the best way to describe my issues with the trade, there are just way too many things up in the air, too many things that really have to go just right, for the trade to make real sense. And I'm not a big fan of having so many uncontrollable variables.

[Wutang_CMB]

Just needs to stay healthy but his game will compliment our core nicely

[LoveMyRaps]

What did Bobby imply when he said "it was intentional" from Ingram?

Did Ingram push for a trade to Toronto?

Ingram did previously say Toronto was a top 3 city.

[LoveMyRaps]

Expecting an extension to be announced soon.

Bobby said they're in the same ball park and just ironing out the lil remaining wrinkles.

[StopitLeo]

It's a nice clip. I think Scase had it when he said "the best ability is availability," though. It'd be faintly miraculous if we were able to reverse a decade-long trend of weak durability, but if we could... well. If we can find ways to help RJ look a little better, score more efficiently, maybe we'll be able to do the same with Ingram.

It’s very beneficial that there isn’t any pressure for him to get back on the court. His low ankle injury is reported as high-grade, which is pretty serious but not something you can’t recover from with sufficient time. Fortunately, the team’s current situation is ideal for allowing him to fully rehabilitate the ankle and strengthen the associated muscles.

I suspect Ingram had sub-optimal care in New Orleans. They didn’t have a Physical Therapist on staff until last season! I trust the Raptor’s medical staff to get him in the best shape possible for next season.

[Wutang_CMB]

What did Bobby imply when he said "it was intentional" from Ingram?

Did Ingram push for a trade to Toronto?

Ingram did previously say Toronto was a top 3 city.

I got that too

his agent is from toronto too

ultimately these deals dont happen without the player saying yes i want to stay and toronto is a target if you can get a deal done