Game 51: Kings (25-25) @ Blazers (22-29)

[BoogieTime]

Well. Welcome to the new Sacramento Kings. Where defense is optional. It used to be preached about, but then okay if you didn't. Now it's just blatant that you don't need to. And if you do play D you will get shut out of the offense, ala Keegan and Keon.

WTF is happening with this franchise? Fox said it after his Spurs debut. It's obvious now his meetings with the front office prior to the season were about getting defenders in here. They refused to do it and he lost patience. Good for him. Hope he dominates in San Antonio, and he will. Next up Keegan Murray. After that. Keon Ellis.

Honestly, this is like watching Semi Pro, only worse.
Don't take anything these guys say in a press conference, or any talk about ball period, seriously. They don't play D, they don't want to play D and they KNOW it won't make a difference to their playing time if they don't.

Now I'm pointing the finger at Doug. Monte put this team together, fair enough, but if Doug wants to be the coach moving forward he needs to stamp his authority on the Kings. Bench the lot of them. Put guys in that will try on D.
As Kayte said on the broadcast (one of the few things she got right actually) is that teams grow into the coaches personality. That is happening with the Blazers. It WILL NOT do the same with the Sacramento Kings though.
None of them except Keegan and Keon show anything to be a decent defender. Zero. None. Nada.

But now you have peanuts complaining about Trey Freaking Lyles causing a Kings loss because he plays 13 minutes. Not the guys that were out there getting blown by time and time again. Not the guys that refused to close out on 3pt shots. Nah, it's the guy that came off the bench and played 13 minutes. GTFOH.

One play stood out to me. 2nd half, Blazers have ball bottom corner. They blow by lavine with his half ass reach, blow by demar with same half ass reach, easy bucket at the basket. At that moment I called game. Cant win with these guys + no rim defense.

If I'm Doug I'd have pulled them both immediately. **** your contract. Put Crawford in and let's see what he's got. I'm gonna scream to start keon and laravia.

Correct. But peanut brain will just keep making excuses. It's right there, plain as day and still, excuse after excuse. At some point it's got to sink in, but hey, at least they can give maximum effort on the offensive end. Great strategy peanut.

Don’t be bringing names into this

[OxAndFox]

Well. Welcome to the new Sacramento Kings. Where defense is optional. It used to be preached about, but then okay if you didn't. Now it's just blatant that you don't need to. And if you do play D you will get shut out of the offense, ala Keegan and Keon.

WTF is happening with this franchise? Fox said it after his Spurs debut. It's obvious now his meetings with the front office prior to the season were about getting defenders in here. They refused to do it and he lost patience. Good for him. Hope he dominates in San Antonio, and he will. Next up Keegan Murray. After that. Keon Ellis.

Honestly, this is like watching Semi Pro, only worse.
Don't take anything these guys say in a press conference, or any talk about ball period, seriously. They don't play D, they don't want to play D and they KNOW it won't make a difference to their playing time if they don't.

Now I'm pointing the finger at Doug. Monte put this team together, fair enough, but if Doug wants to be the coach moving forward he needs to stamp his authority on the Kings. Bench the lot of them. Put guys in that will try on D.
As Kayte said on the broadcast (one of the few things she got right actually) is that teams grow into the coaches personality. That is happening with the Blazers. It WILL NOT do the same with the Sacramento Kings though.
None of them except Keegan and Keon show anything to be a decent defender. Zero. None. Nada.

But now you have peanuts complaining about Trey Freaking Lyles causing a Kings loss because he plays 13 minutes. Not the guys that were out there getting blown by time and time again. Not the guys that refused to close out on 3pt shots. Nah, it's the guy that came off the bench and played 13 minutes. GTFOH.

I would say what I want to say but your not worth a strike

Team lost by a little

Lyle’s isn’t an nba player

LaRavia in bench punch could’ve been the difference tonight

And I don’t care if he played 13 minutes

The starters were a plus despite how “bad” they looked

We lost because of the scrub bench, yet again as all season

When LaRavia comes I don’t want to see Trey in this rotation

Why don't we put it somewhere else here on RealGM and see what they think about whether or not Lavine and DDR can lead Sacramento to the promised land (I seriously said this in BoogieTime voice)

[OxAndFox]

One play stood out to me. 2nd half, Blazers have ball bottom corner. They blow by lavine with his half ass reach, blow by demar with same half ass reach, easy bucket at the basket. At that moment I called game. Cant win with these guys + no rim defense.

If I'm Doug I'd have pulled them both immediately. **** your contract. Put Crawford in and let's see what he's got. I'm gonna scream to start keon and laravia.

Correct. But peanut brain will just keep making excuses. It's right there, plain as day and still, excuse after excuse. At some point it's got to sink in, but hey, at least they can give maximum effort on the offensive end. Great strategy peanut.

This troll needs to stop calling people names, don’t want to get a strike telling him what I think of him

Oh, if you think you're Peanut Brain, that's more on you than me. It's probably more like the fair and reasonable fans on RealGM, Kings X, you know, the fans that get cited all the time.

[BoogieTime]

I would say what I want to say but your not worth a strike

Team lost by a little

Lyle’s isn’t an nba player

LaRavia in bench punch could’ve been the difference tonight

And I don’t care if he played 13 minutes

The starters were a plus despite how “bad” they looked

We lost because of the scrub bench, yet again as all season

When LaRavia comes I don’t want to see Trey in this rotation

Why don't we put it somewhere else here on RealGM and see what they think about whether or not Lavine and DDR can lead Sacramento to the promised land (I seriously said this in BoogieTime voice)

Since you seemingly have no connection to Sacramento your free to follow someone else if you don’t like the core of this team

Otherwise this is a process that will take a stretch to sort out and the starters were fine for a discombobulated bunch playing a hot team on a b2b, the bench, and Lyles who has no place in the nba anymore at -14 weren’t

Though Keon needs to be in, it’s beyond obvious Monk/Lavine/Derozan shouldn’t be starting

And only Ellis (til starting), Carter, LaRavia/Val should be in the concrete rotation.

[BoogieTime]

Yeah I'm on board to start Keon with DeRozan embracing the 6th man role.


Edit: who can play Small Forward lol?

Bench them both man. Start LaRavia and Keon. IDC. This a new team, Doug needs to forget about egos and contract. Play guys who actually want to play defense.

Monk - Keon - LaRavia - Keegan - Sabonis

Lets develop keon and keegan. this is a lost season

I’m starting to see that some personalities just see defense more than others. May be Rorschach.

While I think you have an annoying bias against those players (DeRozan’s interview.. yikes!, and Lavine involved the Fox trade), I’ll take your word you feel something of the sentiment. It may be why you were first on board with Keon before his seasons improvement.

Keegan can have zero pulse for three halfs while DeRozan balling offensively, but, defense! (Though it doesn’t explain the Fox love)

[LightTheBeam]

Yeah I'm on board to start Keon with DeRozan embracing the 6th man role.


Edit: who can play Small Forward lol?

Bench them both man. Start LaRavia and Keon. IDC. This a new team, Doug needs to forget about egos and contract. Play guys who actually want to play defense.

Monk - Keon - LaRavia - Keegan - Sabonis

Lets develop keon and keegan. this is a lost season

I’m starting to see that some personalities just see defense more than others. May be Rorschach.

While I think you have an annoying bias against those players (DeRozan’s interview.. yikes!, and Lavine involved the Fox trade), I’ll take your word you feel something of the sentiment. It may be why you were first on board with Keon before his seasons improvement.

Keegan can have zero pulse for three halfs while DeRozan balling offensively, but, defense! (Though it doesn’t explain the Fox love)

Keegan gives defense every single game. Now with the selfish 3 out there, he doesn't get any touches. Fox would at least make sure Keegan got involved early while he waited until the starters went out to look for his own.

You got what you wanted. And now we suck.

[BoogieTime]

Bench them both man. Start LaRavia and Keon. IDC. This a new team, Doug needs to forget about egos and contract. Play guys who actually want to play defense.

Monk - Keon - LaRavia - Keegan - Sabonis

Lets develop keon and keegan. this is a lost season

I’m starting to see that some personalities just see defense more than others. May be Rorschach.

While I think you have an annoying bias against those players (DeRozan’s interview.. yikes!, and Lavine involved the Fox trade), I’ll take your word you feel something of the sentiment. It may be why you were first on board with Keon before his seasons improvement.

Keegan can have zero pulse for three halfs while DeRozan balling offensively, but, defense! (Though it doesn’t explain the Fox love)

Keegan gives defense every single game. Now with the selfish 3 out there, he doesn't get any touches. Fox would at least make sure Keegan got involved early while he waited until the starters went out to look for his own.

You got what you wanted. And now we suck.

The team sucked with Fox, and was unbearable a week ago. He is a sub efficient, lack of D, lack of spacing, lack of motor or floor general who doesn’t matter

Nobody cares about two games. If fixes need to be made Fox won’t be missed and won’t be worth a sizable deal

[codydaze]

Same goes for in here.

Alright, I know these are turbulent times for the Kings and all of us fans but we can have disagreements without personal attacks and name calling. Let's tone things down.

[LightTheBeam]

I’m starting to see that some personalities just see defense more than others. May be Rorschach.

While I think you have an annoying bias against those players (DeRozan’s interview.. yikes!, and Lavine involved the Fox trade), I’ll take your word you feel something of the sentiment. It may be why you were first on board with Keon before his seasons improvement.

Keegan can have zero pulse for three halfs while DeRozan balling offensively, but, defense! (Though it doesn’t explain the Fox love)

Keegan gives defense every single game. Now with the selfish 3 out there, he doesn't get any touches. Fox would at least make sure Keegan got involved early while he waited until the starters went out to look for his own.

You got what you wanted. And now we suck.

The team sucked with Fox, and was unbearable a week ago. He is a sub efficient, lack of D, lack of spacing, lack of motor or floor general who doesn’t matter

Nobody cares about two games. If fixes need to be made Fox won’t be missed and won’t be worth a sizable deal

Ya it's Sabonis team. You love to talk about that 7th place MVP finish. Let's see Sabonis start to break down and get frustrated that nobody plays defense, DeRozan is a certified ball stopper, and eventually asks out.

Like I said, you have been wrong every step of the way. From defending Barnes, Huerter for an eternity, to hating on Keon/Murray, and now defending Monte/DeRozan. You might actually be Wes Wilcox.

When this team finishes with 33 wins and is back to the dark ages you'll blame Keegan, Lyles, and Doug Christie. When the reality is that no team with Sabonis as the head of the snake can survive without good defenders. Fox, Keon, Keegan were 3 good defenders, but no.. You wanted the team to start Monk/Huerter and trade Keegan for another offense only player lol.

I give up

[BoogieTime]

Keegan gives defense every single game. Now with the selfish 3 out there, he doesn't get any touches. Fox would at least make sure Keegan got involved early while he waited until the starters went out to look for his own.

You got what you wanted. And now we suck.

The team sucked with Fox, and was unbearable a week ago. He is a sub efficient, lack of D, lack of spacing, lack of motor or floor general who doesn’t matter

Nobody cares about two games. If fixes need to be made Fox won’t be missed and won’t be worth a sizable deal

Ya it's Sabonis team. You love to talk about that 7th place MVP finish. Let's see Sabonis start to break down and get frustrated that nobody plays defense, DeRozan is a certified ball stopper, and eventually asks out.

Like I said, you have been wrong every step of the way. From defending Barnes, Huerter for an eternity, to hating on Keon/Murray, and now defending Monte/DeRozan. You might actually be Wes Wilcox.

When this team finishes with 33 wins and is back to the dark ages you'll blame Keegan, Lyles, and Doug Christie. When the reality is that no team with Sabonis as the head of the snake can survive without good defenders. Fox, Keon, Keegan were 3 good defenders, but no.. You wanted the team to start Monk/Huerter and trade Keegan for another offense only player lol.

I give up

Fox is a good defender, lol?

[BoogieTime]

The team sucked with Fox, and was unbearable a week ago. He is a sub efficient, lack of D, lack of spacing, lack of motor or floor general who doesn’t matter

Nobody cares about two games. If fixes need to be made Fox won’t be missed and won’t be worth a sizable deal

Ya it's Sabonis team. You love to talk about that 7th place MVP finish. Let's see Sabonis start to break down and get frustrated that nobody plays defense, DeRozan is a certified ball stopper, and eventually asks out.

Like I said, you have been wrong every step of the way. From defending Barnes, Huerter for an eternity, to hating on Keon/Murray, and now defending Monte/DeRozan. You might actually be Wes Wilcox.

When this team finishes with 33 wins and is back to the dark ages you'll blame Keegan, Lyles, and Doug Christie. When the reality is that no team with Sabonis as the head of the snake can survive without good defenders. Fox, Keon, Keegan were 3 good defenders, but no.. You wanted the team to start Monk/Huerter and trade Keegan for another offense only player lol.

I give up

Fox is a good defender, lol?

That’s part of your Fox bias, you like defense and thought he was a good defender? Where are the metrics for that?

Guy perfected the switching even before the pick he was so lazy at times at the top of the key three. They switched so much because he didn’t have the attention span/effort to stay with his original man. It was musical chairs at the head of the three point line with him

He got steaks

Granted, LaVine might even be a modicum worse, but the efficiency between the two breaks up that

[City of Trees]

Fox is a good defender but the effort he gave was that of a high usage offensive player who dials it down on defense. At times he would be amazing on Defense but there was a lot of low intensity defense from Fox.

I'd say you both have valid points. We never got 100% of Fox the whole game outside of the playoffs.