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Re: Celts Celebrate Not Getting Traded, Take The Night Off! Loss vs DAL 2/6 

Post#81 » by Triple7 » Fri Feb 7, 2025 2:15 pm

Bar Fight wrote:JT probably isn't making 1st team all-NBA this year. And rightfully so. It's getting rarer and rarer to see him actually perform like a superstar these days.


He shouldn’t. He is actually regressing as a scrorer. He might still get 2nd team by default, as others are nit eligible. Contented at just jacking up 3’s to start games. No go to move. Not really that good at finishing shots. Can’t score on contact. Average handles. I can think of about 10-12 players better than him in scoring.
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Re: Celts Celebrate Not Getting Traded, Take The Night Off! Loss vs DAL 2/6 

Post#82 » by The_Ghost_of_JB » Fri Feb 7, 2025 2:26 pm

Typical Celtics game where their opponent is shorthanded/missing their best player so Boston: Doesn't take the game seriously, gets down big in the first half, realizes about 65% through the game they can in fact lose to this game, makes a fake comeback, then ends up losing in a somewhat close game making the game look way closer than it actually was.
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Post#83 » by Fierce1 » Fri Feb 7, 2025 2:33 pm

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Bar Fight wrote:JT probably isn't making 1st team all-NBA this year. And rightfully so. It's getting rarer and rarer to see him actually perform like a superstar these days.


He shouldn’t. He is actually regressing as a scrorer. He might still get 2nd team by default, as others are nit eligible. Contented at just jacking up 3’s to start games. No go to move. Not really that good at finishing shots. Can’t score on contact. Average handles. I can think of about 10-12 players better than him in scoring.

Both of you guys will once again be in attendance at the crow party because JT will still be 1st team ALL-NBA this season.

Luka is not eligible and so is Ja Morant.

You can downplay how good Tatum is, but right now he's leading the team in ppg, rpg, apg, and steals per game.
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Re: Celts Celebrate Not Getting Traded, Take The Night Off! Loss vs DAL 2/6 

Post#84 » by return2glory » Fri Feb 7, 2025 2:54 pm

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Bar Fight wrote:JT probably isn't making 1st team all-NBA this year. And rightfully so. It's getting rarer and rarer to see him actually perform like a superstar these days.


He has had maybe 1 great game in about 3 weeks. He has been about the 4th or 5th best player on the floor of most nights and he has that 1 great game and some posters talk about people doubting Tatum.

I've never thought of Tatum as a superstar. He isn't. NBA tries to hype him up as one. Superstars to be are also leaders and can take over games almost every night, not once every few weeks. Tatum was our 4th best player in the playoffs last year. I'm happy with Tatum on the team as one of our top 3 players. Tonight, he was probably our 5th best player behind Brown, Pritchard, KP and White.


lol this is ridiculous. Tatum was clearly the best player in the playoffs


ECF MVP was Brown. Finals MVP was Brown. White had bigger moments than Tatum. Jrue was a huge part of why we won the Finals. Tatum was bricking shots, going 39% from the field and 26% from 3 in the Finals.
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Re: Celts Celebrate Not Getting Traded, Take The Night Off! Loss vs DAL 2/6 

Post#85 » by Fierce1 » Fri Feb 7, 2025 2:56 pm

Production and impact trumps scoring efficiency.

Guess some of the fans just solely focus on the player's ability to score.

Running the offense, not hesitating to make the pass, getting rebounds, and playing solid D are qualities of a franchise player.

Tatum is also one of the top clutch players this season.
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Post#86 » by Fierce1 » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:00 pm

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return2glory wrote:
He has had maybe 1 great game in about 3 weeks. He has been about the 4th or 5th best player on the floor of most nights and he has that 1 great game and some posters talk about people doubting Tatum.

I've never thought of Tatum as a superstar. He isn't. NBA tries to hype him up as one. Superstars to be are also leaders and can take over games almost every night, not once every few weeks. Tatum was our 4th best player in the playoffs last year. I'm happy with Tatum on the team as one of our top 3 players. Tonight, he was probably our 5th best player behind Brown, Pritchard, KP and White.


lol this is ridiculous. Tatum was clearly the best player in the playoffs


ECF MVP was Brown. Finals MVP was Brown. White had bigger moments than Tatum. Jrue was a huge part of why we won the Finals. Tatum was bricking shots, going 39% from the field and 26% from 3 in the Finals.

Tatum led the Cs in points per game, rebounds per game, and assists per game in that 16-3 postseason record.

And JT played good defense too.

Basketball is more than just scoring.
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Re: Celts Celebrate Not Getting Traded, Take The Night Off! Loss vs DAL 2/6 

Post#87 » by Red2 » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:31 pm

All the starters get an AOS.. coach too
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Post#88 » by playa-hater » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:38 pm

Sweet Serenity wrote:I get suspended for 30 days for calling out the posters that blame Joe for everything & then one of those posters blames Joe for Tatum & Brown’s careless first quarter.

Go figure.

playa-hater wrote:This game is like the Philly game where we have So much more talent and yet we Struggle to a team with half a roster, But we make some sort of comeback and then we can all get together and sing kumbaya.

If doing less with more gets you a title than Joe is definitely our coach...


So after 30 days off, the first thing you do is "call out" a poster. Didn't change much did you. Maybe If you actually added a commentary on the State of Boston Celtic BB instead, like once in every blue moon.
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Post#89 » by PierceFan4ever » Fri Feb 7, 2025 3:44 pm

Sheesh JT has shot over 50% twice since Christmas. Cmon JT get it together. Felt like once he was out of the running for mvp somewhere in the middle of December between himself, Jokic, and shai, his game has fallen off.
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Post#90 » by playa-hater » Fri Feb 7, 2025 4:24 pm

I was going to pull up the thread I made about 4 years or more ago. It was in reference to how Brad Stevens literally can't control his team. They do what they want when they want. And I am not even talking about the Kyrie team debacle. But over the next 2 following years. I got so much hate and push back for even suggesting anything negative over Brad. It was at that time I started using the word "accountability" or the lack thereof. It was so clearly evident. Yet posters on here CAN-NOT see what they don't want to see. It's like they look through the lenses of their heart and NOT their mind. Most of us have Binkies with players and that is OK. Players make up only 1/15 of the team or whatever. But there is only 1 HC. Well fast forward a season, a Brilliant BB mind in Stevens did indeed "step down" "Step Up" or got "Fired" for the EXACT reason I stated.

Now here we are in the present day, Our Current Coach has a team with arguably still the TOP talent in the league. And yet night in and Night out, they totally underwhelm, underperform, play some of the least inspired BB I have seen in 50ish years of Boston BB. If you are an outsider with Zero current knowledge of wins and losses, you would think Boston is a tanking team.

For those who want to put a huge portion of this absolute Crap BB on the players, I will say this. The HC, like a Police Captain is still held responsible for what goes down under "his watch". If his officers are derelict in their duties, or corrupt or dealing with other unscrupulous behaviors, it is his job to make corrections, discipline and "hold them accountable" Sure, the officers are the wrong doers, like the players, but if you stand by and do nothing, that makes you complicit just the same.

If you are a teacher and many/most of your students are failing a certain curriculum, at what point do you say, it's maybe not the students, but perhaps the teacher who is at fault?

If you have some teenage age children and the first time you go away for a weekend and leave them the house, and they end up "wrecking it" with some party, sure, that's on the teens. But if it happens again and again and again and some kid gets hurt or worse, who gets held accountable? The Parents of course.

I Know this is BB and not "life" we are talking about, so I get it. But there are very common parables here. Our team either isn't playing "hard" "motivated" "focused" or taking their opponents "serious" (quoting words often used on here) or perhaps it is more "fatigued" related. Or both. That I suspect our Coach should know more about. So how does he handle it? Does he say directly, play harder or I will put in the young "high energy players"?? Or perhaps don't even say a word and just do it. What message is he giving to the team when he witnesses players playing totally lazy or dumb or both??? "don't worry, just stay in there and "get your stats" as one poster puts it. To me that is the same as the parents who just continually let their kids run rampant, and expect a change by just using words (see news conferences as a deterrent vs actually finding ways to "hold them ACCOUNTABLE"

If fatigue is indeed a factor then (Tatum, White, Jrue, Al especially) should be rested, Much more often. Extend the young guns in the rotation (some, not all at once) and inject that much needed energy that this team needs more of than any other team I have witnessed in Forever??

But don't just stand by idly and do nothing but the same old thing over and over again, and somehow expect a different result.

My early morning Rant is now over. I expect, like Boston, for nothing to change, since posters here are embedded in their own beliefs. Until of course, it is too late to "see the light"

EDIT -making a very occasional "change" like putting in the "stay ready players" does not constitute the coach is holding anyone accountable.
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Re: Celts Celebrate Not Getting Traded, Take The Night Off! Loss vs DAL 2/6 

Post#91 » by Lee Van Cleef » Fri Feb 7, 2025 4:39 pm

Most contenders have an alpha wolf. Someone who takes over in the 4th, who others look up to, who takes the matter in his own hands when needed. That guy is Jokic, Curry, Doncic, Edwards, Mitchell, Brunson (yes Brunson), but not Tatum. He's simply not that guy. And maybe that's ok. We are like Chauncy Billup's Pistons team. An ensemble of good to great players, without a true star. That worked too.
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Post#92 » by Tyakack » Fri Feb 7, 2025 4:47 pm

You just knew they were losing this game after winning the cavs game.
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Post#93 » by playa-hater » Fri Feb 7, 2025 4:49 pm

Tyakack wrote:You just knew they were losing this game after winning the cavs game.


Yeah, I agree. I should just focus my frustrations on making some good cash and bet against boston on those nights.
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Post#94 » by Bar Fight » Fri Feb 7, 2025 4:57 pm

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Bar Fight wrote:JT probably isn't making 1st team all-NBA this year. And rightfully so. It's getting rarer and rarer to see him actually perform like a superstar these days.


He shouldn’t. He is actually regressing as a scrorer. He might still get 2nd team by default, as others are nit eligible. Contented at just jacking up 3’s to start games. No go to move. Not really that good at finishing shots. Can’t score on contact. Average handles. I can think of about 10-12 players better than him in scoring.

Both of you guys will once again be in attendance at the crow party because JT will still be 1st team ALL-NBA this season.

Luka is not eligible and so is Ja Morant.

You can downplay how good Tatum is, but right now he's leading the team in ppg, rpg, apg, and steals per game.

I can't lie, I wish I was in the camp of posters who expect nothing out of JT. Then I could be content with months long stretches of him dropping less than 24 a night on dog **** efficiency like you. Unfortunately I hold him to superstar, first team all-NBA standards so watching him be the only player in that class who regularly puts up tour dates and can barely crack 30 is disheartening.
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Post#95 » by return2glory » Fri Feb 7, 2025 5:31 pm

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lol this is ridiculous. Tatum was clearly the best player in the playoffs


ECF MVP was Brown. Finals MVP was Brown. White had bigger moments than Tatum. Jrue was a huge part of why we won the Finals. Tatum was bricking shots, going 39% from the field and 26% from 3 in the Finals.

Tatum led the Cs in points per game, rebounds per game, and assists per game in that 16-3 postseason record.

And JT played good defense too.

Basketball is more than just scoring.


Brown was better. And White was more impactful and clutch. Both played better defense that Tatum. Tatum was doing his best Marcus Smart impression.
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Post#96 » by Fierce1 » Fri Feb 7, 2025 6:03 pm

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He shouldn’t. He is actually regressing as a scrorer. He might still get 2nd team by default, as others are nit eligible. Contented at just jacking up 3’s to start games. No go to move. Not really that good at finishing shots. Can’t score on contact. Average handles. I can think of about 10-12 players better than him in scoring.

Both of you guys will once again be in attendance at the crow party because JT will still be 1st team ALL-NBA this season.

Luka is not eligible and so is Ja Morant.

You can downplay how good Tatum is, but right now he's leading the team in ppg, rpg, apg, and steals per game.

I can't lie, I wish I was in the camp of posters who expect nothing out of JT. Then I could be content with months long stretches of him dropping less than 24 a night on dog **** efficiency like you. Unfortunately I hold him to superstar, first team all-NBA standards so watching him be the only player in that class who regularly puts up tour dates and can barely crack 30 is disheartening.

Like I said, JT will still be 1st team this season.

If you can't appreciate the other aspects of the game of basketball then that's on you.

It's as simple as the Celtic offense runs smoother when JT is at the controls.

But being an all around player is not part of your standards, right?
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Post#97 » by Fierce1 » Fri Feb 7, 2025 6:10 pm

return2glory wrote:
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ECF MVP was Brown. Finals MVP was Brown. White had bigger moments than Tatum. Jrue was a huge part of why we won the Finals. Tatum was bricking shots, going 39% from the field and 26% from 3 in the Finals.

Tatum led the Cs in points per game, rebounds per game, and assists per game in that 16-3 postseason record.

And JT played good defense too.

Basketball is more than just scoring.


Brown was better. And White was more impactful and clutch. Both played better defense that Tatum. Tatum was doing his best Marcus Smart impression.

JT was not shooting the ball well, but he did other things that led to the Cs going 16-3 in the postseason.

He was constantly double teamed and he never hesitated to pass the ball to the open man.

Sometimes it's the little things.
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Post#98 » by Sweet Serenity » Fri Feb 7, 2025 6:55 pm

playa-hater wrote:
Sweet Serenity wrote:I get suspended for 30 days for calling out the posters that blame Joe for everything & then one of those posters blames Joe for Tatum & Brown’s careless first quarter.

Go figure.

playa-hater wrote:This game is like the Philly game where we have So much more talent and yet we Struggle to a team with half a roster, But we make some sort of comeback and then we can all get together and sing kumbaya.

If doing less with more gets you a title than Joe is definitely our coach...


So after 30 days off, the first thing you do is "call out" a poster. Didn't change much did you. Maybe If you actually added a commentary on the State of Boston Celtic BB instead, like once in every blue moon.


Oh because you’re adding so much insightful commentary aren’t you :lol:

When was the last time you wrote something on here without blaming Joe on everything ?
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Post#99 » by Smart2Nesmith43 » Fri Feb 7, 2025 7:04 pm

Lee Van Cleef wrote:Most contenders have an alpha wolf. Someone who takes over in the 4th, who others look up to, who takes the matter in his own hands when needed. That guy is Jokic, Curry, Doncic, Edwards, Mitchell, Brunson (yes Brunson), but not Tatum. He's simply not that guy. And maybe that's ok. We are like Chauncy Billup's Pistons team. An ensemble of good to great players, without a true star. That worked too.

Clutch +/- this regular season
Mitchell +38
Tatum +36
Jokic +28
Curry +6
Brunson +6
Doncic +4
Edwards -40

Clutch +/- last playoffs
Tatum +28 (first in the entire league)
Brunson +19
Edwards +12
Doncic +11
Mitchell -8
Jokic -8
Curry DNP

Combined
Tatum +64
Mitchell +30
Brunson +25
Jokic +20
Doncic +15
Curry +6
Edwards -28

WhY CaN't TaTuM Be As BaD As ThE OtHeR GuYs At LeAdiNg HiS TeAm In ThE ClUtCh?
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Re: Celts Celebrate Not Getting Traded, Take The Night Off! Loss vs DAL 2/6 

Post#100 » by 31to6 » Fri Feb 7, 2025 7:30 pm

Tyakack wrote:You just knew they were losing this game after winning the cavs game.


No. I worried they were losing this game was AD was declared out for it.
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