Tearing down the Sacramento Bulls

[LightTheBeam]

Fox just spoke on it today, confirming what many of us already knew. The team is a laughing stock, and needs to be torn to pieces from the top down. Long thread Side note I now know how pipfan felt for the last 4 years.

Step 1: Fire Monte McNair and Wes Wilcox immediately

Trade 1: Sacramento & Portland
Sabonis for Clingan + Ayton + Portland 1st 2025

Why for Blazers? This is really the ideal team for Sabonis. Grant, Deni, Camara are 3 terrific defenders who bring length and athleticism. The guards are great at using screens, and shooting the 3 ball. Sabonis goes back home to where we he raised to carry on his dads legacy.

Trade 2: Orlando & Sac
Malik Monk for Anthony Black and Cole Anthony (or Isaac or Harris - Magic Choice)

Why for Magic? Watching this team is a lot of fun. They don't have a traditional point guard, but everyone can handle. That is where Monk is at his best, he needs to be more a secondary guard. With Suggs, Paolo, Wagner he is a great fit.

Trade 3: Miami & Sac
Terry Rozier for Demar Derozan
Why for Miami, Demars 3rd year is a partial, but maybe with Wiggins they signaling that FA is getting pushed back a year? They give nothing for Demar but he fits a big need over there.

Trade 4 (deadine or offseason): Sac and Whoever
JVal for 2 2nds

Why for Sac? We need new management and they need to finally tear it down. No more rushing a bad team forward. Vivek needs to be hands off, and hopefully we can kick start this process with the Sabonis trade. End of next year Ayton/Rozier expire. Keegan gets to go back to his natural position and get back to development. Keon gets a starting role to continue working on his offense. Black is a big guard who adds more length. The team is going to be build off a good defensive base.

Clingan/Ayton
Top 10 Pick/
Keegan Murray/Top 10 pick
Keon/Lavine/Carter
Black

You draft 2 forwards who are at least 6'7 and can play defense.

[Godaddycurse]

If you are actually the (Sacramento) Bulls then by definition you wouldn't be torn down but actually stay like this for another 3-4 years

But regarding OP, i think its premature for Portland to get sabonis now without any other franchise cornerstone established. Heats dont want to push back FA by a year because Herro will need a new contract then too

[SlimShady83]

Trade season Is over buddy.

And no way Kings are trading Sabonis they're keeping him and all In with him

[LightTheBeam]

Trade season Is over buddy.

And no way Kings are trading Sabonis they're keeping him and all In with him

This is obviously an off-season trade thread lol.

If you are actually the (Sacramento) Bulls then by definition you wouldn't be torn down but actually stay like this for another 3-4 years

Please don't put that bad juju on us. I'm confident Monte is gone this summer, I hope the next GM isn't committed to fixing this mess.

[jbk1234]

Step 1 is to wage a PR campaign to get the owner to sell.

As far as the trades, the Magic one has legs. The other two do not.

[LightTheBeam]

Step 1 is to wage a PR campaign to get the owner to sell.

As far as the trades, the Magic one has legs. The other two do not.

Feedback on the other 2?

[jbk1234]

Step 1 is to wage a PR campaign to get the owner to sell.

As far as the trades, the Magic one has legs. The other two do not.

Feedback on the other 2?

A team building around Scoot and Sharpe isn't trading their young center and lottery pick for Sabonis. I like the Hornets as a potential trade partner for Sabonis. They need to put some talent around Ball.

It's hard to find a good trade partner for DeRozan. I'll have to give that one some thought.

[LarsV8]

So your goal is picks and prospects?

[LightTheBeam]

Step 1 is to wage a PR campaign to get the owner to sell.

As far as the trades, the Magic one has legs. The other two do not.

Feedback on the other 2?

A team building around Scoot and Sharpe isn't trading their young center and lottery pick for Sabonis. I like the Hornets as a potential trade partner for Sabonis. They need to put some talent around Ball.

It's hard to find a good trade partner for DeRozan. I'll have to give that one some thought.

That's fair. Although I think having Camara, Deni, Grant covers a lot of Sabonis defensive issues. And offensively he can cook with them.

Charlotte & Detroit were the other teams I saw as a fit for Sabonis. I just think Portland is much further along the process than either of them.

[LightTheBeam]

So your goal is picks and prospects?

Yup. I could see Monk in Houston. Would be a nice fit with Sabonis/Amen. Not sure how that would work out though

[OGSactownballer]

Massive overreaction to a situation where one of your acquired players isn’t even here yet, two just arrived (and one has t played for to weeks with a brand new baby) and nobody has had a single practice together.

Oh and don’t forget we played a team that is one of the top four in their conference and is almost entirely healthy shorthanded and then on the travel back to back play the hottest team in the league whose coach is telling them just to play you have nothing to lose.

Let’s calm the heck down and wait a minute and actually see what we have before you start tearing everything down.

[orlando_joe]

the time for monk was before signing kcp ...i dont think they move black for him and that 4th yr player option makes it worse and his 3pt shooting is 3 yrs of going in wrong direction when thats his strongest skill

[LightTheBeam]

Massive overreaction to a situation where one of your acquired players isn’t even here yet, two just arrived (and one has t played for to weeks with a brand new baby) and nobody has had a single practice together.

Oh and don’t forget we played a team that is one of the top four in their conference and is almost entirely healthy shorthanded and then on the travel back to back play the hottest team in the league whose coach is telling them just to play you have nothing to lose.

Let’s calm the heck down and wait a minute and actually see what we have before you start tearing everything down.

I hear that. But this team isn't going to get better man. LaVine/Derozan/Monk/Sabonis aren't suddenly going to learn how to play defense. LaRavia isn't going to suddenly become Luka.

We don't have a point guard
we didn't add a rim protector
We added a decent wing defender, but one that probably will play 15mpg at best
We had 3 ill fitting starting guards

I'm not sure how to look at this roster and think something is going to magically click. Maybe offensively? But even then we are going to be a .500 ball club whose best case is losing in the play-in and losing our pick.

[jayjaysee]

Seems much more likely they trade Demar and a first for two plus defenders and go again next season..

But CLT should be very interested in Sabonis IMO.

I know I listed Dallas in the other thread, but don’t think they’d actually make that offer. Team gets way too expensive for the new guys IMO. Just defense and shooters and hoping for the best.

imo Demar+ / PJ+Klay based will be flooding the forum once both teams flame out.. not calling Klay a good defender*

[ReggiesKnicks]

Sabonis for Haliburton

[OxAndFox]

Massive overreaction to a situation where one of your acquired players isn’t even here yet, two just arrived (and one has t played for to weeks with a brand new baby) and nobody has had a single practice together.

Oh and don’t forget we played a team that is one of the top four in their conference and is almost entirely healthy shorthanded and then on the travel back to back play the hottest team in the league whose coach is telling them just to play you have nothing to lose.

Let’s calm the heck down and wait a minute and actually see what we have before you start tearing everything down.

I don't think it is an overreaction though as it's truly not about the 2 games played. It's actually definitely not about the 2 games played. It's the collection of talent that has been put together. It is proven what Lavine/DDR do together.

Go back to 22-23 Chicago. 40-42 for 10th place in the East.
You have the two we have secured and then you have Vucevic who was 17.6/11/3.2 (Sabonis).
They also had Caruso (Keon), Pat Williams (Keegan) and a young guard duo in White/Dosunmu (Monk). Now I get it, They're not perfect comps and that's not what I'm saying, it's more about the archetype. This has been played out. It doesn't work. Putting a collection of offensive only players together along with 2 defenders simply doesn't cut it in the East let alone the West. Jake LaRavia and Val isn't going to change that either.

Now does that mean they won't give us some great moments and fantastic wins? Not at all, they will have their moments, but a PO threat this team is not. The 2 teams directly behind the 10th placed Kings both have easier schedules on the run home and I expect the Kings will be in 11th, if not 12th once this next 15-game grind of a schedule is over which has the Kings playing 10 of them on the road. Or even 7 of the next 10 on the road.

[LightTheBeam]

Seems much more likely they trade Demar and a first for two plus defenders and go again next season..

But CLT should be very interested in Sabonis IMO.

I know I listed Dallas in the other thread, but don’t think they’d actually make that offer. Team gets way too expensive for the new guys IMO. Just defense and shooters and hoping for the best.

imo Demar+ / PJ+Klay based will be flooding the forum once both teams flame out..

I'm sure you are probably right, but i'm tired being constantly in no mans land is the worst possible position.

I just don't see a way to fix it. Maybe we move Demar for a wing defender. LaRavia is great and we resign him. We add a point guard and push monk back to the bench. Still, the ceiling is low.

[LightTheBeam]

Massive overreaction to a situation where one of your acquired players isn’t even here yet, two just arrived (and one has t played for to weeks with a brand new baby) and nobody has had a single practice together.

Oh and don’t forget we played a team that is one of the top four in their conference and is almost entirely healthy shorthanded and then on the travel back to back play the hottest team in the league whose coach is telling them just to play you have nothing to lose.

Let’s calm the heck down and wait a minute and actually see what we have before you start tearing everything down.

I don't think it is an overreaction though as it's truly not about the 2 games played. It's actually definitely not about the 2 games played. It's the collection of talent that has been put together. It is proven what Lavine/DDR do together.

Go back to 22-23 Chicago. 40-42 for 10th place in the East.
You have the two we have secured and then you have Vucevic who was 17.6/11/3.2 (Sabonis).
They also had Caruso (Keon), Pat Williams (Keegan) and a young guard duo in White/Dosunmu (Monk). Now I get it, They're not perfect comps and that's not what I'm saying, it's more about the archetype. This has been played out. It doesn't work. Putting a collection of offensive only players together along with 2 defenders simply doesn't cut it in the East let alone the West. Jake LaRavia and Val isn't going to change that either.

Now does that mean they won't give us some great moments and fantastic wins? Not at all, they will have their moments, but a PO threat this team is not. The 2 teams directly behind the 10th placed Kings both have easier schedules on the run home and I expect the Kings will be in 11th, if not 12th once this next 15-game grind of a schedule is over which has the Kings playing 10 of them on the road. Or even 7 of the next 10 on the road.

I think fans want to cope with the reality of the situation. We sucked for so long, and then we finally became decent with Fox/Keegan/Sabonis. And since then the team took every wrong turn possible.

Honestly I'm angry. I begged the franchise to go all in. Even if it meant we would never win a title but have a good 5 year run. They never did.

I think it really goes from the top down.
Vivek doesn't trust Monte enough to let him go all in - trade 2nds not 1sts
Monte didn't trust Mike enough - no early extension, didn't even want to resign him, forced, and then fired.

A new GM is needed. Vivek needs to step tf back and stop interfering and we need to do this the right way. Look at the west of 3-4years ago.
Bottom was
Spurs - Now Wemby, Fox, Castle
Lakers - LOL
Kings - Road to nowhere
Blazers - Very impressive roster
Thunder - Title contender
Rockets - How many young guys do they have? Green, Amen, Jabari, Reed, Sengun, Eason, Whitmore.

1 thing remains the same. Just give me a real 3 year rebuild. That doesn't mean keep Sabonis who is 28 and will be 32 by time we are ready. or Monk who isn't a guy to build around. Clear the whole thing out

[ChettheJet]

It's hard for a Bulls' fan to remember 2 years ago. Go back to the start of the previous season with all the names you mention adding PG Lonzo Ball and the Bulls had the best record in the East until Lonzo's knee gave out. No telling what might have been but what they needed was a PG to control the ball so Lavine and DeRozan didn't and without one that 40-42 didn't improve the second season Ball missed. SAC just traded away a PG to get what they have now, I don't think anyone believes Monk is the PG that Ball is.

Bulls fans really didn't see a reteaming of Lavine and DeRozan being the move SAC would consider but you did it. Now some want to blow that up.

The Blazers would have to mount a serious charge with exactly what they had prior to the deadline to get out of the lottery, their pick is protected 1-14 to the Bulls so they can trade it unless they make a Herculean run to the #15 slot

[Astaluego]

I was thinking about DDR to the Hawks...
They don't control their selection for the next 2 years (duration of DDR contract), the transfer of Hunter has left a hole on the Wing and they could really use his scoring and playmaking...
DDR for Niang/T .Mann+ 2/3SRP...
Mann gives the Kings another good defenseman and they could send Niang's expiring contract along with some assets to find another wing defender