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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#641 » by DCZards » Tue Jan 21, 2025 2:42 pm

dobrojim wrote:But the other parts of his offense needs to be ratcheted back to lower degree of difficulty
shots. Fewer spin moves and turnaround shots. Lately those shots are making him look silly. Not saying don’t ever try them but use a little self consciousness and don’t imitate Kuz.

I like that Sarr is shooting those shots--regardless of how it makes him look. Those are shots that he could (and should) learn to make and why not take them now when it really doesn’t matter how many he does or does not make. Having those shots in his repertoire 2-3 years from now should be the goal and him shooting them now--in practice and in games--is a good thing.
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Post#642 » by dobrojim » Tue Jan 21, 2025 3:11 pm

Note that I didn't say never wrt those shots. I said ratcheted back.
And I hope he shows, in practice, that he can occasionally make them.
Maybe he will sooner than I think after seeing the Kyshawn example.
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Post#643 » by DCZards » Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:44 pm

dobrojim wrote:Note that I didn't say never wrt those shots. I said ratcheted back.
And I hope he shows, in practice, that he can occasionally make them.
Maybe he will sooner than I think after seeing the Kyshawn example.
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Speaking of Kyshawn. The draft hype around him had to do with his 3pt shooting. But he’s struggled mostly. But, as you note, he has recently found his groove. Hopefully, it continues.

What I’ve been most impressed by though is Kyshawn’s all around game. He’s a better defender than advertised. What might go unnoticed is how well he uses his length to get deflections. He also has decent playmaking and passing chops that are a potential strength and a great asset for the team.
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Post#644 » by Despy » Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:31 pm

9 and 20 wrote:Once upon a time, Kwame had a 30 and 20 game. Not much to do with Sarr, it's just still funny that he somehow managed that.

As someone at the game it was because Chris webber basically couldn't move due to a leg injury
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Post#645 » by BearlyBallin » Fri Feb 7, 2025 9:36 pm

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Post#646 » by nate33 » Fri Feb 7, 2025 10:17 pm

I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that our 3-game winning streak coincided with Sarr being out of the lineup.

We were 4-5 in games that Sarr didn't play.
We were 3-38 in the games that he played. Ouch!

This is the reality of very young big men. They don't know what they are doing on defense.
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Post#647 » by Despy » Fri Feb 7, 2025 10:51 pm

Seems unlikely that with those win percentages that Sarr over the course of an 82 game season would cause 28 (36-8)((.444×82)-(.08×82)) of our losses. Probably has a lot more to do with the scheduling gods
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#648 » by DCZards » Fri Feb 7, 2025 11:09 pm

nate33 wrote:I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that our 3-game winning streak coincided with Sarr being out of the lineup.

We were 4-5 in games that Sarr didn't play.
We were 3-38 in the games that he played. Ouch!

This is the reality of very young big men. They don't know what they are doing on defense.

The winning streak is more about our opponents than Sarr.

Minny was without Ant and Randle, Charlotte was decimated by injuries, and a bad Brooklyn team had some key players out.
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Post#649 » by 9 and 20 » Fri Feb 7, 2025 11:10 pm

Yeah, I don't think we're an almost .500 team with Richaun Holmes instead of Sarr, but definitely agree with the overall point. He's got lots of room for improvement. He needs to get a lot stronger and play less soft, especially on the boards.
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Post#650 » by AFM » Sun Feb 23, 2025 4:13 am



Maybe his real comp is Rashard Lewis
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Post#651 » by doclinkin » Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:10 pm

9 and 20 wrote:Yeah, I don't think we're an almost .500 team with Richaun Holmes instead of Sarr, but definitely agree with the overall point. He's got lots of room for improvement. He needs to get a lot stronger and play less soft, especially on the boards.


I think it’s better to suspend the dream that Sarr will be a full time 5 and instead recruit junkyard dogs who can defend the interior at times but are ferocious on the boards. Why I’m looking at players like Rasheed Fleming, a strong 4 with the length to defend bigs.

Even if Sarr got bigger I don’t think he has the instinct and inclination to fight it out in the scrum. Still, in the era of stretch 5’s any team has a use for a 7footer who can defend outside and is a solid weak side shot blocker. He’s just not going to anchor your defense on the back line. He’s not scaring anybody and deterring penetration. Like Gafford, who blocked a lot of shots but did not improve our Defense all that much.

Sarr as a supersized 3&D wing is an interesting tool to have in your kit. But we are still looking for a dominant inside player. I just think we have the luxury of being able to take the kind of shorter tougher guy that teams often pass over. A PF who plays with a center’s game.

Why I don’t hate the idea of CMB or Derik Queen if we trade up with that late 1st into the middle of the round.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#652 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:24 pm

AFM wrote:

Maybe his real comp is Rashard Lewis



Watching that game made me think maybe Sarr is more suited to play the 4. Especially in comparison to Giannis who plays the 4 and is massive.
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Post#653 » by nate33 » Sun Feb 23, 2025 2:38 pm

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9 and 20 wrote:Yeah, I don't think we're an almost .500 team with Richaun Holmes instead of Sarr, but definitely agree with the overall point. He's got lots of room for improvement. He needs to get a lot stronger and play less soft, especially on the boards.


I think it’s better to suspend the dream that Sarr will be a full time 5 and instead recruit junkyard dogs who can defend the interior at times but are ferocious on the boards. Why I’m looking at players like Rasheed Fleming, a strong 4 with the length to defend bigs.

Even if Sarr got bigger I don’t think he has the instinct and inclination to fight it out in the scrum. Still, in the era of stretch 5’s any team has a use for a 7footer who can defend outside and is a solid weak side shot blocker. He’s just not going to anchor your defense on the back line. He’s not scaring anybody and deterring penetration. Like Gafford, who blocked a lot of shots but did not improve our Defense all that much.

Sarr as a supersized 3&D wing is an interesting tool to have in your kit. But we are still looking for a dominant inside player. I just think we have the luxury of being able to take the kind of shorter tougher guy that teams often pass over. A PF who plays with a center’s game.

Why I don’t hate the idea of CMB or Derik Queen if we trade up with that late 1st into the middle of the round.

I still see the Mobley/JJJ comparison as the best case scenario. Those guys start off at the 4 but often play crunch time at the 5. We will need to find a space-eater at the 5 to play 20 minutes a game at center and bang against the opposition's starting center during the first 6 minutes of each half.

Fortunately, those guys are a dime-a-dozen and can be found in free agency. At the lower end of the spectrum are guys like JV and Isaiah Stewart. If you pay more, you can find a guy like Hartenstein. I probably wouldn't go looking to find that guy in the draft, at least not with a lotto pick. Those types of players take a while to develop, and then don't typically cost that much in free agency when their contracts are up (so that RFA rights aren't really much of an advantage).
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#654 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Feb 23, 2025 5:33 pm

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9 and 20 wrote:Yeah, I don't think we're an almost .500 team with Richaun Holmes instead of Sarr, but definitely agree with the overall point. He's got lots of room for improvement. He needs to get a lot stronger and play less soft, especially on the boards.


I think it’s better to suspend the dream that Sarr will be a full time 5 and instead recruit junkyard dogs who can defend the interior at times but are ferocious on the boards. Why I’m looking at players like Rasheed Fleming, a strong 4 with the length to defend bigs.

Even if Sarr got bigger I don’t think he has the instinct and inclination to fight it out in the scrum. Still, in the era of stretch 5’s any team has a use for a 7footer who can defend outside and is a solid weak side shot blocker. He’s just not going to anchor your defense on the back line. He’s not scaring anybody and deterring penetration. Like Gafford, who blocked a lot of shots but did not improve our Defense all that much.

Sarr as a supersized 3&D wing is an interesting tool to have in your kit. But we are still looking for a dominant inside player. I just think we have the luxury of being able to take the kind of shorter tougher guy that teams often pass over. A PF who plays with a center’s game.

Why I don’t hate the idea of CMB or Derik Queen if we trade up with that late 1st into the middle of the round.

I still see the Mobley/JJJ comparison as the best case scenario. Those guys start off at the 4 but often play crunch time at the 5. We will need to find a space-eater at the 5 to play 20 minutes a game at center and bang against the opposition's starting center during the first 6 minutes of each half.

Fortunately, those guys are a dime-a-dozen and can be found in free agency. At the lower end of the spectrum are guys like JV and Isaiah Stewart. If you pay more, you can find a guy like Hartenstein. I probably wouldn't go looking to find that guy in the draft, at least not with a lotto pick. Those types of players take a while to develop, and then don't typically cost that much in free agency when their contracts are up (so that RFA rights aren't really much of an advantage).


I’d love to see that type of player targeted with our 2nd pick in this draft. Looks to be around the 27 range. I’m hoping they can move up into the 15-20 range, maybe packaging the 27 with a player like Poole or Kispert. At any rate, there is a group including Queen, Thomas Sorber, Rasheer Fleming, Asa Newell, Danny Wolf that could be of interest and available in the 2nd half of the 1st round.

For example if we’re able to draft Sorber and Flagg… We could start Sorber at C, Sarr at PF, Flagg at SF, Bilal at SG, Bub at PG. Kyshawn as the Swiss Army knife 6th man…. And the versatility of this lineup would be great, we can come in with Kyshawn, move Flagg to 4 & Sarr to 5. Or move Bilal to SF. The combinations are endless. The same if we draft Bailey instead of Flagg. Or any of Queen, Fleming, Asa, Wolf you could play them with Sarr.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#655 » by closg00 » Sun Feb 23, 2025 6:15 pm

doclinkin wrote:
9 and 20 wrote:Yeah, I don't think we're an almost .500 team with Richaun Holmes instead of Sarr, but definitely agree with the overall point. He's got lots of room for improvement. He needs to get a lot stronger and play less soft, especially on the boards.


I think it’s better to suspend the dream that Sarr will be a full time 5 and instead recruit junkyard dogs who can defend the interior at times but are ferocious on the boards. Why I’m looking at players like Rasheed Fleming, a strong 4 with the length to defend bigs.

Even if Sarr got bigger I don’t think he has the instinct and inclination to fight it out in the scrum. Still, in the era of stretch 5’s any team has a use for a 7footer who can defend outside and is a solid weak side shot blocker. He’s just not going to anchor your defense on the back line. He’s not scaring anybody and deterring penetration. Like Gafford, who blocked a lot of shots but did not improve our Defense all that much.

Sarr as a supersized 3&D wing is an interesting tool to have in your kit. But we are still looking for a dominant inside player. I just think we have the luxury of being able to take the kind of shorter tougher guy that teams often pass over. A PF who plays with a center’s game.

Why I don’t hate the idea of CMB or Derik Queen if we trade up with that late 1st into the middle of the round.


Agree 100%, we need more than one Center anyway. Vuck/Sarr are not-likely to become junkyard dogs in the post, but show promise as stretch guy, find that dog in the draft.
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Post#656 » by doclinkin » Sun Feb 23, 2025 6:32 pm

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nate33 wrote:I still see the Mobley/JJJ comparison as the best case scenario. Those guys start off at the 4 but often play crunch time at the 5. We will need to find a space-eater at the 5 to play 20 minutes a game at center and bang against the opposition's starting center during the first 6 minutes of each half.

Fortunately, those guys are a dime-a-dozen and can be found in free agency. At the lower end of the spectrum are guys like JV and Isaiah Stewart. If you pay more, you can find a guy like Hartenstein. I probably wouldn't go looking to find that guy in the draft, at least not with a lotto pick. Those types of players take a while to develop, and then don't typically cost that much in free agency when their contracts are up (so that RFA rights aren't really much of an advantage).


I’d love to see that type of player targeted with our 2nd pick in this draft. Looks to be around the 27 range. I’m hoping they can move up into the 15-20 range, maybe packaging the 27 with a player like Poole or Kispert. At any rate, there is a group including Queen, Thomas Sorber, Rasheer Fleming, Asa Newell, Danny Wolf that could be of interest and available in the 2nd half of the 1st round.


Sorber and Fleming are near the top of my list. But I think they will get snatched too early unless we trade up a bunch. I look players like Queen and Murray Boyles because I think they may slide after combine measurements.

I agree with Nat’s assessment that CMB is the closest thing to Draymond since Draymond though. Undersized so he may drop, but too smart not to succeed. His defense is special. With untapped upside after working with strength and conditioning coaches. He’d instantly make us better on defense even without intimidating rim protection.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#657 » by Kanyewest » Mon Feb 24, 2025 5:19 am

Despy wrote:
9 and 20 wrote:Once upon a time, Kwame had a 30 and 20 game. Not much to do with Sarr, it's just still funny that he somehow managed that.

As someone at the game it was because Chris webber basically couldn't move due to a leg injury


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Post#658 » by Zonkerbl » Tue Feb 25, 2025 3:51 pm

Dale Davis was drafted 13 overall. Antonio Davis was drafted in the second round though, and he was actually the better scorer. Dale was the better rebounder and that's who we really want.
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Post#659 » by The Consiglieri » Tue Feb 25, 2025 4:27 pm

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nate33 wrote:I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that our 3-game winning streak coincided with Sarr being out of the lineup.

We were 4-5 in games that Sarr didn't play.
We were 3-38 in the games that he played. Ouch!

This is the reality of very young big men. They don't know what they are doing on defense.

The winning streak is more about our opponents than Sarr.

Minny was without Ant and Randle, Charlotte was decimated by injuries, and a bad Brooklyn team had some key players out.

Randomness, pure and simple, it's kind of crazy, to me, to imagine that Sarr's presence, or lack there of is the difference between us being a .450/.475 team, and being a .07 team. It's a funny kind of twist on on the court/off the court, that is found out immediately through logic. This team is total ---, and had a break in the schedule, and in the quality of the opponents combined that coincided with his absence. We could have a healthy Giannis, a Luca, or a healthy Anthony Davis, correspondingly no Sarr, and we'd still be no better than a .250 to .300 team and that is probably a large reach on the upside difference too.

I'm sure him being a rookie learning on the court isn't as helpful as having a high floor veteran who gets it all, or even having a star instead, but it's immaterial when your starting lineup, and your bench are the worst in the league, bar none. We just suck, with or without him, and some 9 game sample size, is irrelevant to that reality.

Btw, I don't care at all that we suck, its the plan, and its being executed far better than Portland and say, New Jersey's botched tanks which will take them both nowhere.
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Re: Alex Sarr 

Post#660 » by daoneandonly » Tue Feb 25, 2025 8:03 pm

Sarr for Lively.

Nico Harrison is stupid enough to believe AD is a franchise cornerstone and can probably be deceived into thinking Sarr fits with him. D Live can be the Wiz big man and defensive anchor.
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