Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 9

[Scase]

I think there are very few people who think the BI/SB is a bad fit, it's the RJ part that doesn't really mesh. Bad defence and not a lot of variance on offence is an issue. It's not an RJ or a BI issue specifically, but running both of them is just not a good idea IMO.

[youngRAPZ]

Scottie is going to be a beast on defence now that he doesn’t have to score much.


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[Tripod]

I think there are very few people who think the BI/SB is a bad fit, it's the RJ part that doesn't really mesh. Bad defence and not a lot of variance on offence is an issue. It's not an RJ or a BI issue specifically, but running both of them is just not a good idea IMO.

If RJ was a young, cheap 3+D guy...would be better. Imaging a young OG.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

I think there are very few people who think the BI/SB is a bad fit, it's the RJ part that doesn't really mesh. Bad defence and not a lot of variance on offence is an issue. It's not an RJ or a BI issue specifically, but running both of them is just not a good idea IMO.

If RJ was a young, cheap 3+D guy...would be better. Imaging a young OG.

next year is the evaluation for RJ. we can give him a break this year; he has been asked to carry a heavier load than he is capable and he's still developing.
I also wonder whether quickley is the odd person out instead of RJ. with many mouths to feed, a second passer/secondary scorer might be better.

[mtcan]

Scottie is going to be a beast on defence now that he doesn’t have to score much.


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His elite Draymond destiny will be fulfilled.

[SFour]

I think there are very few people who think the BI/SB is a bad fit, it's the RJ part that doesn't really mesh. Bad defence and not a lot of variance on offence is an issue. It's not an RJ or a BI issue specifically, but running both of them is just not a good idea IMO.

If RJ was a young, cheap 3+D guy...would be better. Imaging a young OG.

next year is the evaluation for RJ. we can give him a break this year; he has been asked to carry a heavier load than he is capable and he's still developing.
I also wonder whether quickley is the odd person out instead of RJ. with many mouths to feed, a second passer/secondary scorer might be better.

One of RJ or IQ will be traded eventually....we're not locked into them. But for now you have to build them into somewhat desirable players so Raptors don't have to attach any picks to trade them away.

[Thaddy]

I think there are very few people who think the BI/SB is a bad fit, it's the RJ part that doesn't really mesh. Bad defence and not a lot of variance on offence is an issue. It's not an RJ or a BI issue specifically, but running both of them is just not a good idea IMO.

He is never mentioned as a part of the core group. We got him as a toxic contract and his value has increased. They'll probably ship him for parts in the off-season. We need a back up C, bench scoring, and probably a back up PG (I'm not a Shead believer). Once he's traded people here will see he's similar to DeRozan as an addition by subtraction.

[Scase]

I think there are very few people who think the BI/SB is a bad fit, it's the RJ part that doesn't really mesh. Bad defence and not a lot of variance on offence is an issue. It's not an RJ or a BI issue specifically, but running both of them is just not a good idea IMO.

If RJ was a young, cheap 3+D guy...would be better. Imaging a young OG.

Yeah, my ideal goal even before the BI trade was to package RJ for a 3+D player and replace him with GD. But with BI, same things stands, but GD being the 6th man.

[Scase]

If RJ was a young, cheap 3+D guy...would be better. Imaging a young OG.

next year is the evaluation for RJ. we can give him a break this year; he has been asked to carry a heavier load than he is capable and he's still developing.
I also wonder whether quickley is the odd person out instead of RJ. with many mouths to feed, a second passer/secondary scorer might be better.

One of RJ or IQ will be traded eventually....we're not locked into them. But for now you have to build them into somewhat desirable players so Raptors don't have to attach any picks to trade them away.

I think we've done a decent job of that so far with RJ, could be better, but I think it's shown that he can be better than he was in NYC in the right environment. As for IQ, I think that's gonna take a while, he hasn't looked very good in the time he's played, and he's been pretty injury prone.

[Scase]

This is the kind of game we need to see from Scottie, aggressive, but in control, none of this outside shooting stuff, get into the paint and just put it in. Great game.

[ItsDanger]

Matt Bonner fired up Scottie. We've criticized him much worse than that.

[HangTime]

This is the kind of game we need to see from Scottie, aggressive, but in control, none of this outside shooting stuff, get into the paint and just put it in. Great game.

The willingness to shoot 3s, can help skew the scouting report for the opponent, allowing for a game like this.

[RoteSchroder]

I think there are very few people who think the BI/SB is a bad fit, it's the RJ part that doesn't really mesh. Bad defence and not a lot of variance on offence is an issue. It's not an RJ or a BI issue specifically, but running both of them is just not a good idea IMO.

Scottie’s at 52.2 TS% on 26.6% three point shooting. He’s not a good offensive fit with anyone at the moment.

[ChillRelaxDude]

Matt Bonner fired up Scottie. We've criticized him much worse than that.

I was happy to hear Matt say that on the Raptors Show. It was sound advice because, at this point, I've all but given up hope on Scottie being about to expand his offensive game. I get that he's probably experimenting with a lot right now, but it's been ugly and inefficient.

[Thaddy]

Barrett is the problem. He's as empty calories as it gets. Hopefully he's traded for plus value soon. I don't need to see him getting exposed on defense and bricking 3s. Barrett and Dick are very bad for us. If we can turn them into positive players we'd be a good playoff team.

Poeltl / Newell
Barnes / Mogbo
Ingram / Battle
Agbaji / Walters
IQ / Shead

Even if we don't consider their return the above is way better.

[ChillRelaxDude]

How is RJ empty calories? I often agree with the complaints on the defensive end, but I'd love to hear this out.

When I look at the current construct of the team, I'm not paying attention to the starting line-up. I'm looking at pairings and how we can effectively stagger our players throughout 48 minutes so we don't get stuck watching our bench consistently give up games because no one can create.

Although we haven't seen it much this year, RJ and Quickley play well off each other. I anticipate Barnes and BI being a good pairing as well. Rotations should fix concerns about the starting line-up fit.

[Dexjackson]

How is RJ empty calories? I often agree with the complaints on the defensive end, but I'd love to hear this out.

When I look at the current construct of the team, I'm not paying attention to the starting line-up. I'm looking at pairings and how we can effectively stagger our players throughout 48 minutes so we don't get stuck watching our bench consistently give up games because no one can create.

Although we haven't seen it much this year, RJ and Quickley play well off each other. I anticipate Barnes and BI being a good pairing as well. Rotations should fix concerns about the starting line-up fit.

I don't necessarily see him as empty calories but for me it comes down to the value/fit given his salary. I think his near 30M salary could be better allocated. Having a 4th option who isn't a good defender making his salary is too rich for me. This is not hate on RJ himself.

[Raps in 4]

How is RJ empty calories? I often agree with the complaints on the defensive end, but I'd love to hear this out.

When I look at the current construct of the team, I'm not paying attention to the starting line-up. I'm looking at pairings and how we can effectively stagger our players throughout 48 minutes so we don't get stuck watching our bench consistently give up games because no one can create.

Although we haven't seen it much this year, RJ and Quickley play well off each other. I anticipate Barnes and BI being a good pairing as well. Rotations should fix concerns about the starting line-up fit.

- No defence
- One dimensional offence
- Low efficiency scorer

[Scase]

This is the kind of game we need to see from Scottie, aggressive, but in control, none of this outside shooting stuff, get into the paint and just put it in. Great game.

The willingness to shoot 3s, can help skew the scouting report for the opponent, allowing for a game like this.

You really need to give this slant up, he took two 3's yesterday. Him shooting 26% all year isn't opening anything up, go watch some basketball 101 videos.

[HangTime]

This is the kind of game we need to see from Scottie, aggressive, but in control, none of this outside shooting stuff, get into the paint and just put it in. Great game.

The willingness to shoot 3s, can help skew the scouting report for the opponent, allowing for a game like this.

You really need to give this slant up, he took two 3's yesterday. Him shooting 26% all year isn't opening anything up, go watch some basketball 101 videos.

I won't give that up, because it's exactly what I'm seeing this season, and most people don't get.

This game was like one of those few exceptions for the season. It just seemed a little more personal for him, maybe it was Nurse.

The stuff he was doing last night, we already know he can do that, and it's great to see. But, That's also like trying to box him in, like he was "boxed in" his first 2 seasons.

You have to give him a chance to grow, and I don't mean half a seasons worth.


I think the main thing Scottie has to work on his is energy balance between his offence and defence.