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Post#101 » by clyde21 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 3:56 am

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Samurai wrote:Any combo? So if they went Jihaad Campbell and Revel with their first two picks (passing on either an OT or DT), would that work for you? I could see ShanaLynch not taking an OT given their past history, but I admit I'd be disappointed if they passed on both a OT or DT altogether.


i actually really like Jihaad and Revel but if we come out of the first two rounds without at least an OT or DT I'd be highly disappointed


Not really familiar with all the players in the draft. Picking any of these positions in the first round would not surprise me

OT
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C


there are no centers in this class, best one is like a 5th rounder lol
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Re: 2025 nfl draft thread 

Post#102 » by Pattersonca65 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 4:25 am

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i actually really like Jihaad and Revel but if we come out of the first two rounds without at least an OT or DT I'd be highly disappointed


Not really familiar with all the players in the draft. Picking any of these positions in the first round would not surprise me

OT
DL
LB
C


there are no centers in this class, best one is like a 5th rounder lol


Lol. That was supposed to be cornerback. Really ghe least likely of the four but with the 49ers you never know whar they will do in the firsf
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Re: 2025 nfl draft thread 

Post#103 » by Samurai » Wed Feb 5, 2025 4:26 am

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i actually really like Jihaad and Revel but if we come out of the first two rounds without at least an OT or DT I'd be highly disappointed


Not really familiar with all the players in the draft. Picking any of these positions in the first round would not surprise me

OT
DL
LB
C


there are no centers in this class, best one is like a 5th rounder lol

Jared Wilson has been mocked to Detroit late in the 2nd round, so he could fall to the 3rd round. If so, he'd be a good center for us to grab. But yeah, most of the other centers should be around in the 5th to 7th rounds.
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Re: 2025 nfl draft thread 

Post#104 » by Pattersonca65 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 4:27 am

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Not really familiar with all the players in the draft. Picking any of these positions in the first round would not surprise me

OT
DL
LB
C


there are no centers in this class, best one is like a 5th rounder lol


Lol. That was supposed to be cornerback. Really the least likely of the four but with the 49ers you never know what they will do in the firsf
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Re: 2025 nfl draft thread 

Post#105 » by clyde21 » Wed Feb 5, 2025 4:41 am

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Not really familiar with all the players in the draft. Picking any of these positions in the first round would not surprise me

OT
DL
LB
C


there are no centers in this class, best one is like a 5th rounder lol


Lol. That was supposed to be cornerback. Really ghe least likely of the four but with the 49ers you never know whar they will do in the firsf


OT - Will Campbell, Josh Simmons, Armand Membou, Kelvin Banks
DL - Mason Graham
LB - Jihaad Campbell, Jalon Walker
CB - Will Johnson

these are the options with our 1st at these positions at this point, we'll see what the combine brings
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Post#106 » by CrimsonCrew » Wed Feb 5, 2025 5:24 am

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Jikkle wrote:See a lot of mocks taking an OT but I don't see the 9ers taking one for the sake of taking one.

Hard to say how they view the OT class but I can see us pivoting very quickly to DL if the one or two guys they love are off the board.
OT is their greatest need so unless you been living in a cave or confusing OT with WR, we NEED to take an OT. I want Campbell but will take Simmons as well over any other position or BPA. Don't be like Kyle taking another kicker instead.

https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/49ers-select-top-offensive-tackle-in-latest-mock-draft-01jk4275te3f

https://youtu.be/_DhEuUfB6no?si=lP-VmQEKzw-wQNEI

Our soon to be overpaid QB will need help to protect our investment in the pocket.


I disagree. Our biggest needs for this offseason are center and DT. Trent is still good when on the field (granted that's a concern), and McKivitz is solid enough to be serviceable. But OT looks to be a huge need in the near future, and we're in a position to draft a good one. If we can do so, we should unless Graham or Carter falls. I don't see another DT worth 11. There are some DEs who might be, but DE is so deep that I'd rather address it later. Hard to see taking a CB at 11 as we have two solid starters and really just need some more depth.
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Re: 2025 nfl draft thread 

Post#107 » by WentzerWuver » Wed Feb 5, 2025 7:20 am

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Jikkle wrote:See a lot of mocks taking an OT but I don't see the 9ers taking one for the sake of taking one.

Hard to say how they view the OT class but I can see us pivoting very quickly to DL if the one or two guys they love are off the board.
OT is their greatest need so unless you been living in a cave or confusing OT with WR, we NEED to take an OT. I want Campbell but will take Simmons as well over any other position or BPA. Don't be like Kyle taking another kicker instead.

https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/49ers-select-top-offensive-tackle-in-latest-mock-draft-01jk4275te3f

https://youtu.be/_DhEuUfB6no?si=lP-VmQEKzw-wQNEI

Our soon to be overpaid QB will need help to protect our investment in the pocket.


I disagree. Our biggest needs for this offseason are center and DT. Trent is still good when on the field (granted that's a concern), and McKivitz is solid enough to be serviceable. But OT looks to be a huge need in the near future, and we're in a position to draft a good one. If we can do so, we should unless Graham or Carter falls. I don't see another DT worth 11. There are some DEs who might be, but DE is so deep that I'd rather address it later. Hard to see taking a CB at 11 as we have two solid starters and really just need some more depth.
Wrong! OT is their BIGGEST NEED!!! You just try to find one non biased fan link that has the 49ers biggest need NOT on the OL. It's doesn't exist unless you create it yourself on BR under your pen name. Maybe Kyle has paid you to be his mouth piece like keeping Purdy on this forum. I would have let him walk if he doesn't accept a generous Baker's contract due to his shortcomings without a stack offense and focus on drafting Dart for day 2 instead as the next Josh under a rookie contract who can start immediately.
https://youtu.be/Smgzbw2rG6M?si=Q2s9O8lDQusz1wIl

Every smart analysts has us addressing the OL cause it was that bad after Trent went down and you know it! LAC even drafted an OT with their 5th overall pick to protect his highly paid franchise QB instead of taking Nabers after they got rid of both their top wideouts in Keenan and Mike. We NEED to address for an OT NOW cause we won't be drafting that high next year when most everyone are healthy. DL is fine for next season unless you want depths over need.

Taking Will Campbell or Josh Simmons if either are available at 11 is the team best option when the draft begins unless we trade down for extra picks if Campbell is off the board which make sense to me.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/188454-49ers-address-needs-7-round-draft/

Mel Kiper understands our need more than some here do, no surprise there as he does his homework for all teams. Hopefully, this mock draft will be a reality during the draft cause it's address our biggest need with the best player for us and you know it!
https://youtu.be/Adq-u_s--IE?si=VUL_s5uBe0_7YA68

https://youtube.com/shorts/vtMtb8xAId4?si=0SPlst460Cz5GX4O
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Re: 2025 nfl draft thread 

Post#108 » by CrimsonCrew » Fri Feb 7, 2025 9:19 pm

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WentzerWuver wrote:OT is their greatest need so unless you been living in a cave or confusing OT with WR, we NEED to take an OT. I want Campbell but will take Simmons as well over any other position or BPA. Don't be like Kyle taking another kicker instead.

https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/49ers-select-top-offensive-tackle-in-latest-mock-draft-01jk4275te3f

https://youtu.be/_DhEuUfB6no?si=lP-VmQEKzw-wQNEI

Our soon to be overpaid QB will need help to protect our investment in the pocket.


I disagree. Our biggest needs for this offseason are center and DT. Trent is still good when on the field (granted that's a concern), and McKivitz is solid enough to be serviceable. But OT looks to be a huge need in the near future, and we're in a position to draft a good one. If we can do so, we should unless Graham or Carter falls. I don't see another DT worth 11. There are some DEs who might be, but DE is so deep that I'd rather address it later. Hard to see taking a CB at 11 as we have two solid starters and really just need some more depth.
Wrong! OT is their BIGGEST NEED!!! You just try to find one non biased fan link that has the 49ers biggest need NOT on the OL. It's doesn't exist unless you create it yourself on BR under your pen name. Maybe Kyle has paid you to be his mouth piece like keeping Purdy on this forum. I would have let him walk if he doesn't accept a generous Baker's contract due to his shortcomings without a stack offense and focus on drafting Dart for day 2 instead as the next Josh under a rookie contract who can start immediately.
https://youtu.be/Smgzbw2rG6M?si=Q2s9O8lDQusz1wIl

Every smart analysts has us addressing the OL cause it was that bad after Trent went down and you know it! LAC even drafted an OT with their 5th overall pick to protect his highly paid franchise QB instead of taking Nabers after they got rid of both their top wideouts in Keenan and Mike. We NEED to address for an OT NOW cause we won't be drafting that high next year when most everyone are healthy. DL is fine for next season unless you want depths over need.

Taking Will Campbell or Josh Simmons if either are available at 11 is the team best option when the draft begins unless we trade down for extra picks if Campbell is off the board which make sense to me.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/188454-49ers-address-needs-7-round-draft/

Mel Kiper understands our need more than some here do, no surprise there as he does his homework for all teams. Hopefully, this mock draft will be a reality during the draft cause it's address our biggest need with the best player for us and you know it!
https://youtu.be/Adq-u_s--IE?si=VUL_s5uBe0_7YA68

https://youtube.com/shorts/vtMtb8xAId4?si=0SPlst460Cz5GX4O


Just focus on taking deep, calming breaths. You seem to get worked up pretty easily.

No one is disputing that OL is the biggest need on this team. I said I think center is the single biggest need, and I also said I would take an OT at 11 unless one of the two elite DL is available (though I wouldn't reach much if the OTs all go early) for precisely the reasons you state. But for 2025, center and DT are definitely more pressing needs than OT.

Last year, Trent had an overall PFF grade of 85.6 and a pass blocking grade of 84.5. He's not what he once was, but he's still a top-10 OT when he's on the field. McKivitz had a PFF grade of 72.2, and 72.8 in pass blocking. Both were right around 40th among 141 qualifying players, and of course 64 players start at the OT position league-wide. Jaylon Moore started a few games and had a 74.9 overall grade and 73.1 pass-blocking grade. We were good at that spot until Trent got hurt, and even then were solid until Moore also got hurt.

By contrast, Brendel had a 65.0 PFF grade, but more significantly, a 55.1 pass blocking grade. That pass blocking grade was 51st among 64 qualifying centers. Only 32 centers start. He was awful, he allowed constant pressure right up the gut, and he simply has to be upgraded this offseason if we want to have a productive offense. Having said that, it would be crazy to take a center at 11 given positional values, and there aren't any true centers worth taking until the third or fourth round in this draft.

DT wasn't much better. Even before his injury, Hargrave was a liability. He had a 60.6 PFF grade (78th/219 DTs), and a 44.7 run grade (159th). Jordan Elliott had a 47.6 overall grade (165th) with run and pass grades below 55. Maliek Collins had a 57.9 overall grade (96th), but a 42.8 run grade (168th). I think undrafted rookie Evan Anderson was our top-rated DT with a 60.8 rating (76th), and even he was just 59.0 (69th) against the run. Our DTs could not stop the run, and we have to fix that if we're going to be competitive this year. That's definitely a position we should consider at 11 if Graham is there, or if the top OTs are off the board, and hopefully we'll use a couple picks there as it's a very deep class.
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Re: 2025 nfl draft thread 

Post#109 » by clyde21 » Fri Feb 7, 2025 10:42 pm

man, I won't pretend that I am expert in OT technique and mechanics but every time I watch Josh Simmons he just looks so much better than everyone else I've watched.

how is this guy not the 1st overall pick? if he's there #11 you have to take him. HAVE TO. this guy can bookend RT immediately and then take over for Trent when he hangs it up.

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Post#110 » by Pattersonca65 » Fri Feb 7, 2025 11:37 pm

clyde21 wrote:man, I won't pretend that I am expert in OT technique and mechanics but every time I watch Josh Simmons he just looks so much better than everyone else I've watched.

how is this guy not the 1st overall pick? if he's there #11 you have to take him. HAVE TO. this guy can bookend RT immediately and then take over for Trent when he hangs it up.



He might be great but how often are OTs taken no. 1? I am guessing not often. But if he really is that good he may not last till pick 11
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Post#111 » by clyde21 » Sat Feb 8, 2025 1:13 am

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clyde21 wrote:man, I won't pretend that I am expert in OT technique and mechanics but every time I watch Josh Simmons he just looks so much better than everyone else I've watched.

how is this guy not the 1st overall pick? if he's there #11 you have to take him. HAVE TO. this guy can bookend RT immediately and then take over for Trent when he hangs it up.

He might be great but how often are OTs taken no. 1? I am guessing not often. But if he really is that good he may not last till pick 11


that's true, but probably because it's usually a QB that goes #1
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Post#112 » by CrimsonCrew » Sat Feb 8, 2025 1:36 am

He's injured, so he won't test. Only one year at a big time school, and he missed most of the Marquee matchups. Not saying he falls, but certainly it's a possibility. It's also possible he lasts into the twenties.
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Post#113 » by Pattersonca65 » Sat Feb 8, 2025 2:36 am

CrimsonCrew wrote:He's injured, so he won't test. Only one year at a big time school, and he missed most of the Marquee matchups. Not saying he falls, but certainly it's a possibility. It's also possible he lasts into the twenties.

Season ending knee injury. Makes me pause with the 49ers history. Vision of Kinlaw and his knee
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Post#114 » by clyde21 » Mon Feb 10, 2025 6:10 am

new PFF mock has us trading #11 and Deebo to the Jags for #5 and taking Mason Graham
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Post#115 » by Jikkle » Mon Feb 10, 2025 6:21 am

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clyde21 wrote:man, I won't pretend that I am expert in OT technique and mechanics but every time I watch Josh Simmons he just looks so much better than everyone else I've watched.

how is this guy not the 1st overall pick? if he's there #11 you have to take him. HAVE TO. this guy can bookend RT immediately and then take over for Trent when he hangs it up.



He might be great but how often are OTs taken no. 1? I am guessing not often. But if he really is that good he may not last till pick 11


Years ago it wasn't strange for an OT to go 1 and usually at least one went top 5 but I think a combination of high bust rate and the quality of OT coming out of college has gotten worse has lead to them sliding to be more in the 5-15 range now.

That's why I don't hate Shanahan's philosophy when it comes to the offensive line because it's the position group that does give you the worse return in terms of value but it's too important to treat it like he has by getting guys that wouldn't start for any other team in the league to be starters for our team.
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Post#116 » by Jikkle » Mon Feb 10, 2025 6:24 am

clyde21 wrote:new PFF mock has us trading #11 and Deebo to the Jags for #5 and taking Mason Graham


I would do that trade in a heartbeat but I just can't see the Jags going for it because I don't see Deebo's value being there and you'd probably have to throw in another pick to get it done.
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Post#117 » by wco81 » Mon Feb 10, 2025 7:15 am

Jikkle wrote:
clyde21 wrote:new PFF mock has us trading #11 and Deebo to the Jags for #5 and taking Mason Graham


I would do that trade in a heartbeat but I just can't see the Jags going for it because I don't see Deebo's value being there and you'd probably have to throw in another pick to get it done.


I wonder if that trade is more or less likely now that Baalke is no longer GM over there.
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Post#118 » by WentzerWuver » Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:48 pm

Jikkle wrote:
Pattersonca65 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:man, I won't pretend that I am expert in OT technique and mechanics but every time I watch Josh Simmons he just looks so much better than everyone else I've watched.

how is this guy not the 1st overall pick? if he's there #11 you have to take him. HAVE TO. this guy can bookend RT immediately and then take over for Trent when he hangs it up.



He might be great but how often are OTs taken no. 1? I am guessing not often. But if he really is that good he may not last till pick 11


Years ago it wasn't strange for an OT to go 1 and usually at least one went top 5 but I think a combination of high bust rate and the quality of OT coming out of college has gotten worse has lead to them sliding to be more in the 5-15 range now.

That's why I don't hate Shanahan's philosophy when it comes to the offensive line because it's the position group that does give you the worse return in terms of value but it's too important to treat it like he has by getting guys that wouldn't start for any other team in the league to be starters for our team.
After watching how helpless Mahomes was in the SB, the 49ers need to put even more emphasis on the OL of weakness. Here is a good day 2 pick to seriously consider imo. It's why MVP Hurts had all day finding his receivers in the SB.

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Post#119 » by CrimsonCrew » Thu Feb 13, 2025 12:09 am

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He might be great but how often are OTs taken no. 1? I am guessing not often. But if he really is that good he may not last till pick 11


Years ago it wasn't strange for an OT to go 1 and usually at least one went top 5 but I think a combination of high bust rate and the quality of OT coming out of college has gotten worse has lead to them sliding to be more in the 5-15 range now.

That's why I don't hate Shanahan's philosophy when it comes to the offensive line because it's the position group that does give you the worse return in terms of value but it's too important to treat it like he has by getting guys that wouldn't start for any other team in the league to be starters for our team.
After watching how helpless Mahomes was in the SB, the 49ers need to put even more emphasis on the OL of weakness. Here is a good day 2 pick to seriously consider imo.

https://youtu.be/q1OXuZmZBU0?si=fbW9oJJ2-MCji27p


Milum is an interesting guy. There was talk about him in this first half of the first round at one point - I know Clyde really likes him - but his arms measured in at 32 1/2". Lots of teams won't put a guy at OT with arms below 34". He's probably exclusively an IOL prospect for the vast majority of teams. Maybe all of them. Given that, he's probably not great value at 43, but probably won't last to 75.

I've been kind of going crazy on mock draft simulators lately, and I have seen Milum falling into the 3rd round in some since the Senior Bowl. I've taken him a couple times, particularly when I've passed on OL early. If he's there at 75, it's a no-brainer. He could play LG to start, and could possibly project to center down the road or be an emergency OT.
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Post#120 » by clyde21 » Thu Feb 13, 2025 1:01 am

I like Milum but yea, measurements not up to par so far
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