PG Hawks: One Good Quarter

[BigO]

Kuzma 4-13 and a -15 when he was on the court. Blame it on the fact he's new if you want, but he didn't play any better in Washington.

But hang on to that false hope. He'll have some good games for sure and you can play them up.

How did Middleton play tonight? Plus minus is dumb but you do you

Admits he only read the box-score and then has the arrogance to call out people who correctly saw that Kuzma played more than fine tonight, lol.

If Portis had Kuzma's numbers last night, you and all the BP haters would have torched him. As it is (26 pts, 15 rebounds, 6 assists) , he was criticizied in the posts, but nary a word about Kuzma.

It's called a self fulfilling narrative. Wanting and thus thinking Kuzma will fill KM's shoes is going to be a thing.

[BigO]

Just turned to realGM just in time after reading the boxscore.

Kyle Kuzma defintiely a difference maker with huge negative plus/minus and his usual inefficient shooting.

I believe anyone who wanted to trade KM should be banned for one year on this board.

And anyone who thought trading KM for Kyle Kuzma was a good idea should be banned for two years.

I never said this before now. Tear it down. That means new GM, new coach and get rid of everyone but Giannis.

I can't stand self immolation, which is what the Bucks did.

If this goes the way it looks, we may now get the Giannis request to be traded.

And anyone who wanted to trade BP has no clue. There, I think I've covered everything and everyone.

Box score analysis rocks! But I will say you should ban yourself for declaring AJ Green was a player.
(I will show myself the door as well since I had wanted him to start since day 1 this season)
Unfortunate… the team really needed him to step up this season and he hasn’t been able to deliver. As a result, now we have to cheer for Porter.

I said Green should play more minutes and he was a borderline playoff possibility. I still think he should play more to see if he is. But I have no qualms banning myself sooner rather than later.

[BigO]

Kuzma 4-13 and a -15 when he was on the court. Blame it on the fact he's new if you want, but he didn't play any better in Washington.

But hang on to that false hope. He'll have some good games for sure and you can play them up.

How did Middleton play tonight? Plus minus is dumb but you do you

I agree that it’s dumb, but plus/minus was used religiously against Khris here lol. It’s a fair statistic to bring up.

I also agree it's dumb, but I purposely put it in because that's all some of the posters did to BP and others over and over.

I knew they couldn't come back and say plus/minus is deceiving.

[Daver]

**** that cope

I will NEVER forgive Horst and the ownership for squandering Giannis and the good foundation this franchise had, they blew it all up and now we stand looking into the abyss. If these **** are still here post-Giannis then I don't how much I can root for this team. I don't believe in the people running this team and that's with the best player in the world, this poverty franchise is doomed to return to whence it came after it becomes how clear the Herculean carry job Giannis has done the last 12 years. Giannis HAS to outlast these guys because otherwise these **** will botch a rebuild even more than they botched a contender, I'm fine with Giannis going out like Dirk. I have no desire to get a jumpstart on some poo poo platter of **** ass picks **** you

I dont get this hostility you have toward hoest did he fu.. your g/f or something ny god dude.
Reality is bucks should have 2 or 3 chips now if they did your rapid hate for horst probably would nt be therr.Wasnt horst who sh.. himself up 2-0 vs raptors no way.Wasnt horst who stood on the sideline watching butler eat jrue for breakfast lunch n dinner in 5 games.Wasnt horst who lost 4-3 to the Cs cause midds hurt himself again n last year yep lets blame horat for giannis getting hurt..
Wjrn does it stop with horst n turn to coaching.Je brought us jrue dame lopez tucker tried to keep this team at chup level.Have all his moves worked no has he traded to msny DPs for jrue n dame probably but no jrue no chip.
Juat saying guys are blaming him for the war in ukraine not trading brook n portis maybe NOBODY WANTED THEM without throwing in our 1st in 31 and this board would of went ballistic if horst did that.Midds had zero trade value from the articles i read no one wanted his contract..You all make it sound so easy trade lopez n porter for all these guys well no one wanted what we were.selling
Im sorry i feel better now.Back to hating horst

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

How did Middleton play tonight? Plus minus is dumb but you do you

Admits he only read the box-score and then has the arrogance to call out people who correctly saw that Kuzma played more than fine tonight, lol.

If Portis had Kuzma's numbers last night, you and all the BP haters would have torched him. As it is (26 pts, 15 rebounds, 6 assists) , he was criticizied in the posts, but nary a word about Kuzma.

It's called a self fulfilling narrative. Wanting and thus thinking Kuzma will fill KM's shoes is going to be a thing.

middleton had no value to any team in the league. any contending team laughed at the idea for trading for him. its understood league wide hes done and has no value to team success anymore. its why we suck. stop suggesting we should or shouldnt have traded him for anything whatsoever. even a junk for junk trade benefits us with such little depth

so we traded him for somebody with availability. filling shoes is ridiculous. we want a guy who can get up out of the wheelchair. maybe give us 14/6 with some decent d. priority just 35 minutes of mediocre starting game time

you didnt watch the game last night but i was very encouraged kuzma can be a contributor especially defensively

[Sigra]

If we think that Giannis is MVP level of player (we sure do) then we should not expect to win all games that we play without him. And this was road game against not so bad team.

[PG Graveyard]

If we think that Giannis is MVP level of player (we sure do) then we should not expect to win all games that we play without him. And this was road game against not so bad team.

Nah this was a really bad loss to a poor team missing a ton of guys. Either way though our only goal at this point should be is to stay healthy and try to get the 4 seed. Chip and a chair in the playoffs. Last night certainly didn’t help that cause

[MickeyDavis]

middleton had no value to any team in the league. any contending team laughed at the idea for trading for him.

Substitute Middleton with Kuzma in that sentence.


Sure Middleton is an injury risk (Kuzma has missed 19 games this year by the way) but at least he has a track record of great playoff performances. Kuzma has sucked in the playoffs. We don't win the championship without Middleton. Same can't be said with Kuzma and the Lakers. I'm not against the trade but if Middleton had no value to any team in the league then neither did Kuzma.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

middleton had no value to any team in the league. any contending team laughed at the idea for trading for him.

Substitute Middleton with Kuzma in that sentence.


Sure Middleton is an injury risk (Kuzma has missed 19 games this year by the way) but at least he has a track record of great playoff performances. Kuzma has sucked in the playoffs. I'm not against the trade but if Middleton had no value to any team in the league then neither did Kuzma.

junk for junk as it relates to contending. i literally wrote junk for junk in the post you quoted.

weve sucked for the last two years. this whole thing is done and i called it two summers ago. alot of that sucking is on khris and his unavailability. him being on the roster and being out so much literally puts dame and giannis at risk of injury themselves...just so much heavy lifting all season long.

so yeah were done but that doesnt mean we cant have fun and go on a little run and win a series or two. at least with kuzma we have a guy who we can count on literally being available. its not how good he is compared to middleton. its how good he is to prince or ajax or the other incredibly mediocre guys we have available. now we just have another guy we can throw in there.

[soxperry]

**** that cope

I will NEVER forgive Horst and the ownership for squandering Giannis and the good foundation this franchise had, they blew it all up and now we stand looking into the abyss. If these **** are still here post-Giannis then I don't how much I can root for this team. I don't believe in the people running this team and that's with the best player in the world, this poverty franchise is doomed to return to whence it came after it becomes how clear the Herculean carry job Giannis has done the last 12 years. Giannis HAS to outlast these guys because otherwise these **** will botch a rebuild even more than they botched a contender, I'm fine with Giannis going out like Dirk. I have no desire to get a jumpstart on some poo poo platter of **** ass picks **** you

lol chill bruh.. i was allowing myself to live in the moment and fire one off. it felt good.

but i should also note that my comment about the pile of draft picks was meant to rib the people who are sad about AJ Johnson being gone. AJ Johnson wasn't doing anything for our championship window this season or any time soon..if ever. and i've grown so tired of the longing for the false hope people planted in him.

anyway, Sixers tomorrow. probably gonna go if Giannis plays. should be fun

[msiris]

How did Middleton play tonight? Plus minus is dumb but you do you

Admits he only read the box-score and then has the arrogance to call out people who correctly saw that Kuzma played more than fine tonight, lol.

If Portis had Kuzma's numbers last night, you and all the BP haters would have torched him. As it is (26 pts, 15 rebounds, 6 assists) , he was criticizied in the posts, but nary a word about Kuzma.

It's called a self fulfilling narrative. Wanting and thus thinking Kuzma will fill KM's shoes is going to be a thing.

Very few people said that Kuzma would fill Mids shoes. Very few people liked the trade. Those of us who saw the game saw good and bad last night.

[MickeyDavis]

It was an oddly satisfying feeling when Kuzma had a turnover dribbling. Some things never change.

[CannondaleF400]

Dame should be able to carry the Bucks to a win over a team like this. Once the Bucks drop Brook, Bobby, and Pat C, Giannis is going to look at this team and be thinking



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[BUCKnation]

Gueye isnt good but brought a ton of energy that brook couldn’t seem to handle. Thats a perfect time to try Sims.

[MickeyDavis]

Sims will (hopefully) get some burn. He didn't get into Atlanta until yesterday and wasn't at the shootaround. No surprise he didn't play. With an upcoming B2B he should see the floor.

[soxperry]

Brook not being super efficient in and around the paint is a big bummer.

I had zero frame of reference or appreciation for back in the day when we had Giannis just sprinting to the rim, a legit two way Khris, Brogdon getting those sneaky, easy layups, Brook catching in the paint and just effortlessly getting to his spot and scoring. It was an efficiency machine. it was a magical time.

[Siefer]

I think the foundational basketball problem with the the Middleton for Kuzma swap is you have to think Kuzma at his best is at least as good as Middleton at his best or it doesn't work. We already didn't have any margin for error with the roster. Downgrading ceiling to raise the floor (availability) was not an option for this group.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

bud getting dumped for nothing...dame for jrue.... and mids to the grave effed whatever was left of us.

add lopez getting older. patc becoming unplayable. having to rely on portis with all the games being missed.....

now all completely double ****'ed.

i think we should not lose sight of that with whatever the state of the team and this most recent deadline was the book on this team closed seasons ago.

[Siefer]

dame for jrue and mids to the grave **** us. add lopez getting older. patc becoming unplayable. having to rely on portis. now all double ****.

i think we should not lose sight of that

Jrue has declined a lot. He's still a quality roleplay and I'd be happy to have him, but he's closer to Brook than Dame at this point.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

dame for jrue and mids to the grave **** us. add lopez getting older. patc becoming unplayable. having to rely on portis. now all double ****.

i think we should not lose sight of that

Jrue has declined a lot. He's still a quality roleplay and I'd be happy to have him, but he's closer to Brook than Dame at this point.

jrue declined alot but his identity and style was what this team needed. were soft and weakminded. he wasnt.

midds literally eroding to virtually nothing.

lopez and patc becoming shadows.

bud unceremoniusly dumped for griffin and now this doc silliness.

age and circumstance dismantled us. were a memory of what was.