PG Hawks: One Good Quarter

[Siefer]

I think Brook still looks good in 20-25 well chosen minutes. The definition of "well chosen" is certainly narrowing, but we're currently guaranteeing a bunch of bad minutes with him in addition to a generally excessive workload.

[Matches Malone]

I don't trust Doc to figure out that Brook needs to be a situational player now. I'm not saying the big guy is fully cooked, but last night was one of the worst games I've seen from him. Constantly getting turned around on defense, too slow in transition, and Buckner still asks him to guard the perimeter, which makes zero sense to me. Put him in a drop when he's in or just bench him already and roll with Giannis/Kuz/Portis/Sims frontcourt rotation.

[msiris]

I don't trust Doc to figure out that Brook needs to be a situational player now. I'm not saying the big guy is fully cooked, but last night was one of the worst games I've seen from him. Constantly getting turned around on defense, too slow in transition, and Buckner still asks him to guard the perimeter, which makes zero sense to me. Put him in a drop when he's in or just bench him already and roll with Giannis/Kuz/Portis/Sims frontcourt rotation.

Him and Bobby can't be on the floor at th same time. Hell its even worse with Dame. Doc needs to go.

[randy84]

How did Middleton play tonight? Plus minus is dumb but you do you

Admits he only read the box-score and then has the arrogance to call out people who correctly saw that Kuzma played more than fine tonight, lol.

If Portis had Kuzma's numbers last night, you and all the BP haters would have torched him. As it is (26 pts, 15 rebounds, 6 assists) , he was criticizied in the posts, but nary a word about Kuzma.

It's called a self fulfilling narrative. Wanting and thus thinking Kuzma will fill KM's shoes is going to be a thing.

Are you really comparing the stats of a player that has been on the team for five years with a guy that just got in on the midnight train?

[randy84]

If we think that Giannis is MVP level of player (we sure do) then we should not expect to win all games that we play without him. And this was road game against not so bad team.

Nah this was a really bad loss to a poor team missing a ton of guys. Either way though our only goal at this point should be is to stay healthy and try to get the 4 seed. Chip and a chair in the playoffs. Last night certainly didn’t help that cause

Bucks have lost to worst teams with Giannis playing and a better roster.

[randy84]

middleton had no value to any team in the league. any contending team laughed at the idea for trading for him.

Substitute Middleton with Kuzma in that sentence.


Sure Middleton is an injury risk (Kuzma has missed 19 games this year by the way) but at least he has a track record of great playoff performances. Kuzma has sucked in the playoffs. We don't win the championship without Middleton. Same can't be said with Kuzma and the Lakers. I'm not against the trade but if Middleton had no value to any team in the league then neither did Kuzma.

Tough to say. Last year the Mavericks were willing to give up two first round picks for Kuzma. Kuzma turned down the trade, which might speak to his BBIQ, but that was a legitimate offer. I doubt anyone was offering that for Middleton last year even after his playoff performance.

[milweskee]

Honestly, I think I need a break from Bucks RealGM, twitter, reddit, all of it. The amount of negativity is just astounding. Good day my gents, I'll be back come playoffs ready (probably sooner) as I try to stay optimistic.

Optimists g2g when realism is vindicated.

[chonestown]

I think we all should coach.

[stillgotgame]

Clueless rookie coach: 30-13
Doc Rivers: 46-46

That’s pretty funny. Prunty should probably be the coach

Not to defend Doc, but Griff had a super easy schedule. Anyone could have gone 30-13 with that schedule.

Bucks record against Boston, New York and Cleveland, the teams we need to beat in the playoffs:

Last year under Griff, 5-3
This year under Doc, 0-8

Yes, Middleton was better last year and yes Cleveland is tougher this year. But we couldn't let Griff try one time in the playoffs because we wanted a known choker to coach us then instead?

Watch on YouTube

[midranger]

Honestly, I think I need a break from Bucks RealGM, twitter, reddit, all of it. The amount of negativity is just astounding. Good day my gents, I'll be back come playoffs ready (probably sooner) as I try to stay optimistic.

Optimists g2g when realism is vindicated.

Time is a flat circle.

[ShootingtheJ]

It's time for Bobby Portis to become the full time starter. The Bucks defense is actually better with Bobby on the floor this season, and better than with Brook on the floor. Bobby's production skyrockets as a starter. The Bucks defensive numbers with Bobby next to Giannis are really good.

If the Bucks are going to save their season, Bobby needs to be at the forefront.

[ShootingtheJ]

middleton had no value to any team in the league. any contending team laughed at the idea for trading for him.

Substitute Middleton with Kuzma in that sentence.


Sure Middleton is an injury risk (Kuzma has missed 19 games this year by the way) but at least he has a track record of great playoff performances. Kuzma has sucked in the playoffs. We don't win the championship without Middleton. Same can't be said with Kuzma and the Lakers. I'm not against the trade but if Middleton had no value to any team in the league then neither did Kuzma.

Tough to say. Last year the Mavericks were willing to give up two first round picks for Kuzma. Kuzma turned down the trade, which might speak to his BBIQ, but that was a legitimate offer. I doubt anyone was offering that for Middleton last year even after his playoff performance.

If Middleton has no trade value, then we should definitely get him back in the offseason. He has huge on court value to us, and he'll finally have time to get healthy and have a real offseason. Trade Kuzma in a 3 team deal, pick up assets, and absorb Middleton in to the salary slot.

[Siefer]

A good way to make me question your input is arguing for Griffin on the merits of record. There's a reason he got fired at 30-13.

[fan230]

Khris didn’t have much value for other teams it appears. While part of it was because of his injuries, it was also because the Bucks appeared “desperate” to somehow trade him away. I think the second factor was more important than the first.

Also interesting to me was the news item that the Wizards insisted on adding AJ Johnson to the trade before they would agree to the trade.

They didn’t ask for any other player such as Ajax for example.

The “Market “ often “knows” better than any individual whoever that individual is.

Anyway we will all see how the trade turns out. I fervently hope it helps the Bucks. Giannis’ window and the Bucks’ window is too narrow, I feel, for comfort; maybe I am wrong in that supposition.

[PG Graveyard]

If we think that Giannis is MVP level of player (we sure do) then we should not expect to win all games that we play without him. And this was road game against not so bad team.

Nah this was a really bad loss to a poor team missing a ton of guys. Either way though our only goal at this point should be is to stay healthy and try to get the 4 seed. Chip and a chair in the playoffs. Last night certainly didn’t help that cause

Bucks have lost to worst teams with Giannis playing and a better roster.

Didn’t say we haven’t.

[fan230]

Also getting Sims was a smart plan I think. If he is even somewhat good, it would enable the Bucks to play Brooks for shorter number of minutes; that may be enough to bring out the best out of Brook.

Am keenly waiting to see how Porter performs; I am cautiously optimistic.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Substitute Middleton with Kuzma in that sentence.


Sure Middleton is an injury risk (Kuzma has missed 19 games this year by the way) but at least he has a track record of great playoff performances. Kuzma has sucked in the playoffs. We don't win the championship without Middleton. Same can't be said with Kuzma and the Lakers. I'm not against the trade but if Middleton had no value to any team in the league then neither did Kuzma.

Tough to say. Last year the Mavericks were willing to give up two first round picks for Kuzma. Kuzma turned down the trade, which might speak to his BBIQ, but that was a legitimate offer. I doubt anyone was offering that for Middleton last year even after his playoff performance.

If Middleton has no trade value, then we should definitely get him back in the offseason. He has huge on court value to us, and he'll finally have time to get healthy and have a real offseason. Trade Kuzma in a 3 team deal, pick up assets, and absorb Middleton in to the salary slot.

the team stunk with middleton. likely the team will stink without him. bringing him back is a stinky idea too

if we do make a trade in the offseason it should be for people who are available to literally play basketball. then after we play them we can evaluate if we still stink or maybe get better.

at least now with kuzma we have an available player that were spending alot less money on. id rather stink with flexibility and upside then stink with with no flexibility hanging onto the dream that was.

[paulpressey25]

A good way to make me question your input is arguing for Griffin on the merits of record. There's a reason he got fired at 30-13.

Clearly Griffin was in over his head. But he did let them play on offense and it got better results than what our current ‘dream team’ coaching bench is able to produce since.

And it wasn’t like he had healthy Middleton as Khris was in a 20 minute a night restriction and taking some games off, coming off his wrist surgery.

The whole situation has just been a dumpster fire.

[ShootingtheJ]

Also getting Sims was a smart plan I think. If he is even somewhat good, it would enable the Bucks to play Brooks for shorter number of minutes; that may be enough to bring out the best out of Brook.

Am keenly waiting to see how Porter performs; I am cautiously optimistic.

Sims averages 6 points/36 for his career. That's worse than even Ajax. He's not the answer.

I do agree with shrinking Brooks role, and that's still easy to do. Portis becomes the starter, and Kuzma is the backup 4 (and starting 3). Yes, we end up with too many Prince minutes, but that's part of having a bad roster.

[ShootingtheJ]

Tough to say. Last year the Mavericks were willing to give up two first round picks for Kuzma. Kuzma turned down the trade, which might speak to his BBIQ, but that was a legitimate offer. I doubt anyone was offering that for Middleton last year even after his playoff performance.

If Middleton has no trade value, then we should definitely get him back in the offseason. He has huge on court value to us, and he'll finally have time to get healthy and have a real offseason. Trade Kuzma in a 3 team deal, pick up assets, and absorb Middleton in to the salary slot.

the team stunk with middleton. likely the team will stink without him. bringing him back is a stinky idea too

if we do make a trade in the offseason it should be for people who are available to literally play basketball. then after we play them we can evaluate if we still stink or maybe get better.

at least now with kuzma we have an available player that were spending alot less money on. id rather stink with flexibility and upside then stink with with no flexibility hanging onto the dream that was.

Nope, the team was really good with Middleton on the floor, he had a bigger on court impact than anyone on the team. Dealing Kuz in the offseason brings back assets, and then add Middleton for no assets is an obvious move.

We will still have our financial flexibility because we won't be paying Lopez a ridiculous $23 million.

We'll also likely move on from Dame and his ridiculous contract.