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SoFlaKingReal wrote:You guys get obsessed with the name and forget that KD went to PHX w/Booker and did absolutely nothing lol. Why would it be any different here when he’s older and due for another extension?
SA37 wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:MettaWorldPanda wrote:Davion Mitchell was playing around 25 min off the bench for the Raptors. It would behoove Spo to play him the same amount and cut Rozier’s minutes down drastically. Mitchell allows Herro to slide to the two spot when he comes off the bench and puts a defensive point guard next to him. Unlike the lousy Rozier who he’s had to endure playing with for long stretches.
He honestly needs to start.
Mitchell
Herro
Wiggins
Bam
Ware
Let’s see what we can do with that defense infusion
Give Mitchell the K Love/N Jovic treatment and start him, but play him 15mpg
Vertical Limit wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Vertical Limit wrote:I have been loyal to Heat and Pat Riley since hes been on the Heat, and i never got involved with the disrespect some Heat fans have towards Riley. We won 3 championships and had six appearances. There are a handful of teams who have been as successful as the Heat the last 25 years and a large credit goes to Riley.
I would like for him to seriously consider retirement after this season. It’s time to hand full reigns to Spo or Alonzo, or whoever they feel can continue the culture of the Heat.
Its not just the Jimmy Butler stuff, **** Jimmy Butler. It’s just we need a new fresh vision.
This, it’s time and it’s been time. He fumbled this build. Time after time he has overvalued our own players in negotiations for stars that wanted to come in here and win with us.
Mitchell, didn’t want to send Herro so negotiations never got serious.
KD, just offered Jimmy and JRich. At least toss an asset or in there for a respectable offer.
Dame, lowball offer trying to strong arm a player who only wanted Miami which ended up backfiring. FO Stan’s will say “but Cronin wouldn’t talk to us because he was mad at Dame” no that’s not true, Pat tried to strong arm him and lowball him something serious. Barry literally reiterated this yesterday, it’s not debatable. That’s a top 10 player who filled the biggest need of this team and we completely botched it.
2022 made the finals, made no moves to improve the team that season that could’ve helped in the finals. Don’t care if the team sucked that year when you get Jimmy Bam and Spo in the playoff everyone knows the deal.
Every single season we basically has massive issues at PG and at the 4 and we never did much or anything to address them. The best roster of the Jimmy era was year 1, that should’ve been arguably the worst. Insane that this is the case.
Love Pat, thankful for all he’s done but he’s been bad at his job for awhile now. It’s time for something new, we need someone who isn’t delusional and isn’t afraid to make a move. This likely would’ve led to a championship, instead it led to the 3rd best player in franchise history leaving.
One thing that i dont like, is just the way star players exit the franchise because of his attitude.
If you want to move forward, just have a sit down with the player and agent and tell them listen, thank you for your contributions to the team, but youre at this point of your career, and we need to look into the next era of Heat basketball.
Thats all, thats how you handle the situations with Shaq, Wade, Butler. In a different type of way you can add Lebron and Bosh on how poorly Riley handled those two situations.
Now mind you, i give the majority of the blame to Butler for the way things got ugly, before the season started, he was a player under contract with 2 years 100 million remaining, at the end of his career. The fact the warriors gave him 120 million more is their problem and that franchise fans will turn on them for that decision very soon. And butler behaved and acted like a BITCH on his way out. Like a female
But Riley is not without blame here either, there is a pattern here that cant be ignored. He is too into his “godfather” ways and im not saying we should let the players control the franchise, but we can communicate things better. In his role, you can still be a very strong leader but just be more relatable at the same time.
His age and his ways may not allow him to be. I think you can put Udonis or Alonzo in Pat Rileys role and continue the Heat culture while developing better relationships with the players
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:SA37 wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
He honestly needs to start.
Mitchell
Herro
Wiggins
Bam
Ware
Let’s see what we can do with that defense infusion
Give Mitchell the K Love/N Jovic treatment and start him, but play him 15mpg
I have a feeling Spo is going to fall in love with Mitchell instantly and play him 30 MPG lol works for me
Chalm Downs wrote:his nickname is boywonder ffs
Bishop45 wrote:Herro
Wiggins
Jovic
Bam
Ware
want to claim it into existence
Slo Mo and Mitchell off the bench might not be great for spacing but a lot less of Rozier and likely Larsson (sorry Larsson, nothing about you) will help my health
Heat Had Options To Duck Luxury Tax But Didn't Want To Weaken Roster
Feb 8, 2025 11:14 AM
Heat Had Options To Duck Luxury Tax But Didn't Want To Weaken Roster
In the wake of the Jimmy Butler trade, the Miami Heat found themselves over the luxury tax. Miami had agreed as part of the deal to route Kyle Anderson to the Toronto Raptors, which would have allowed the Heat to dip under the luxury tax. However, when Toronto had a chance to acquire Brandon Ingram, they passed on taking Anderson.
The Heat had three other opportunities to move players to shed at least the $2.8 million necessary to avoid the tax, but passed. Miami decided that weakening the roster just to avoid the tax was worth it and kept Anderson, along with acquiring Andrew Wiggins and Davion Mitchell.
Chalm Downs wrote:his nickname is boywonder ffs
RexBoyWonder wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:SA37 wrote:
Give Mitchell the K Love/N Jovic treatment and start him, but play him 15mpg
I have a feeling Spo is going to fall in love with Mitchell instantly and play him 30 MPG lol works for me
Only that Mitchell can't score. Like at all. Can't really create offense AND he's an iffy shooter.
We scored 9 points in an entire 4th quarter and lost 86-102.
The math don't math.
RexBoyWonder wrote:Heat Had Options To Duck Luxury Tax But Didn't Want To Weaken Roster
Feb 8, 2025 11:14 AM
Heat Had Options To Duck Luxury Tax But Didn't Want To Weaken Roster
In the wake of the Jimmy Butler trade, the Miami Heat found themselves over the luxury tax. Miami had agreed as part of the deal to route Kyle Anderson to the Toronto Raptors, which would have allowed the Heat to dip under the luxury tax. However, when Toronto had a chance to acquire Brandon Ingram, they passed on taking Anderson.
The Heat had three other opportunities to move players to shed at least the $2.8 million necessary to avoid the tax, but passed. Miami decided that weakening the roster just to avoid the tax was worth it and kept Anderson, along with acquiring Andrew Wiggins and Davion Mitchell.
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/279218/Heat-Had-Options-To-Duck-Luxury-Tax-But-Didnt-Want-To-Weaken-Roster
MettaWorldPanda wrote:
It’s going to be a fight for the 6-8 seeds down the stretch. We will be making the playoffs. The tankers tank hard against everyone except us and we always find a way to win the improbable ones.
DayofMourning wrote:RexBoyWonder wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
I have a feeling Spo is going to fall in love with Mitchell instantly and play him 30 MPG lol works for me
Only that Mitchell can't score. Like at all. Can't really create offense AND he's an iffy shooter.
We scored 9 points in an entire 4th quarter and lost 86-102.
The math don't math.
His offensive conttibutions will likely be setting the table and creating transition buckets. Remember how well we played with Dru Smith earlier this year? Thats my hope for Davion.
greg4012 wrote:The fate of the 3 ball did a lot of work.
greg4012 wrote:
Antagonizing Riley for not allowing Bosh to risk his life on the court and for getting the runaround from Lebron seems like wild work. Am I misremembering here?
RexBoyWonder wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:SA37 wrote:
Give Mitchell the K Love/N Jovic treatment and start him, but play him 15mpg
I have a feeling Spo is going to fall in love with Mitchell instantly and play him 30 MPG lol works for me
Only that Mitchell can't score. Like at all. Can't really create offense AND he's an iffy shooter.
We scored 9 points in an entire 4th quarter and lost 86-102.
The math don't math.
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:RexBoyWonder wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:
I have a feeling Spo is going to fall in love with Mitchell instantly and play him 30 MPG lol works for me
Only that Mitchell can't score. Like at all. Can't really create offense AND he's an iffy shooter.
We scored 9 points in an entire 4th quarter and lost 86-102.
The math don't math.
Honestly that’s fine with me, we’ll be replacing Jimmy who’s been giving us nothing for over half the season now with Wiggins on that front. I want all main scoring responsibilities on Bam Herro and Wiggins hands. Those are our top 3 scoring option, everyone else get in where they fit in.
If you start Mitchell you know you’re getting elite fenders every night and you’re starting an actual PG which we do not have on the roster right now. In a starting role if Mitchell gives us his usual elite defense with 10 points 6 assists and shoots 36% from 3 like he has been doing it’ll be hard to complain about that
Tim_Hardawayy wrote:greg4012 wrote:The fate of the 3 ball did a lot of work.
This is the big one that people don’t like to talk about enough. The reality is neither of those teams had any business reaching the finals, and fluke occurrences greatly aided both runs (the bubble in 2020 along with pretty good shooting from outside, and ridiculous outside shooting in 2023). If that all happened from 2010-2013, or 2000-2003 or most other 4 year stretches in league history, they probably don’t reach the finals at all.
That’s not to take away from what they did, they got it done so full credit. But there was a lot of variance and circumstance we benefited from those seasons so to assume they should have won a chip if the right move was made, is hubris, and disrespectful to the 2020 Lakers and 2023 Nuggets.
Also I don’t see how we did anything wrong in the Dame situation, we didn’t tell his stupid agent to say “only Miami” and get the league and Portland working against us. And if we had given our best package that doesn’t include Jimmy or Bam, then you’re talking about Tyler (who is performing at Dame’s level this season), Niko (developing well and still cheap) and the pick we used for Ware. We probably go nowhere with Dame, we are watching Tyler light it up in Portland (or wherever they rerouted him to), and the posters here are killing Pat for mortgaging our future for two geriatrics and possibly getting Bam to leave Miami.
Oh and I give Jimmy full credit for the things he DID do while he was here, but there is a degree of overrating with his play. He lives in this sort of weird headspace for most fans where people give him all his credit for his superstar moments he's had, but simultaneously never expect them moving forward, so he never gets real superstar criticism when he's quiet or disappears.
- In 2020 he filled a Scottie Pippen role on a team of Pippens, but had two huge Finals games so gets all the credit for that run when it was the most ensemble cast of any we've had.
- 2022 was his best run imo and he doesn't get credit enough because it didn't end at the Finals, but also he doesn't really get criticized even though it was a 1 seed that lost a game 7 at home.
- 2023 he had a historic series against Milwaukee, but he was good to mediocre the next 3 rounds. The ankle injury had a lot to do with it, but people give him a pass for that and just say he had a great playoffs ignoring that other than getting in Grant Williams face and mean mugging for the camera, he was just average the next 3 rounds, and basically invisible against Denver in the Finals.
That's to say nothing of the fact he missed roughly 25% of all regular season games per year, or missed the entire 2024 playoffs, or was putrid in 2021 (I know the team had a ridiculously short offseason, but that was like JO vs the Celtics in 2010 levels of bad and he's almost never critiqued for it).
Sorry but I’ve been around long enough to know Monday morning quarterbacking when I see it. Same arguments, different year.greg4012 wrote:
Antagonizing Riley for not allowing Bosh to risk his life on the court and for getting the runaround from Lebron seems like wild work. Am I misremembering here?
lol criticizing the franchise for anything to do with Bosh is a WILD take, he got more money than Wade in 2014 when LeBron left, had the offense restructured to feature him with Dwyane taking a backseat when he was healthy, and had the franchises full support throughout his medical situation. Chris has had nothing but glowing things to say about Miami, and in interviews looks at himself as more of a Heat than a Raptor even though he spent less time here and had his best statistical years by far in Toronto.
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:There will be 2 major offensive game changers available for sure this summer in KD and Trae. Curious to see if we make a run at either, we likely will with KD but Trae I’m not sure. We’re one of the few teams in the league that needs a PG and he’s only 26, best playmaker in the league
3ammy3uck3ts wrote:ZoStrong wrote:RexBoyWonder wrote:
Come on man, we sold low.
His value hit rock bottom due to the suspension, his age getting up there and his contract almost ending.
There's no doubt we could have gotten a much better return if we got a head of this and traded him this summer or even the trade deadline last year.
We got lazy and didn't act on time. I think the our owed picks to OKC and Hornets played a role in that, but the fact is we sold low and too late - we could've gotten probably another couple of nice picks/young players - which would have helped us land the next star - maybe even could've gotten D.Fox with those assets.
It is what is. We need to be more strategic going forward. We salvaged the situation by getting a somewhat acceptable return, even if it's not nearly as good as it could have been.
Ok, let's go back to the off-season n see what we realistically could have gotten for him. Not some hopeful pipedreams, but realistic assets.
I'm really curious. So entertain me some offers.
First of all, he would refuse to go to certain teams. So, it will have to be Phoenix or just couple teams willing to give him the 120m extension.
Look what Phoenix tried n failed to trade Durant. A much better player w no drama. He refused to go to GS and they didn't have much options n failed to trade.
Perhaps there are slightly better packages, idk. But I don't think we sold that low at all. Teams don't care about the drama. They all know it was about money and he will behave once he gets his extension.
I gave you 2 offers far better than we got and no they weren’t pipe dream offers they were there for the taking lmao. Knicks literally gave 5 1sts for bridges, it’s reported they contacted us for Jimmy first
