PG Hawks: One Good Quarter

[Matches Malone]

What are the chances that Giannis asks out this summer? Selfishly I want him to just ride it out like Dirk and stick with us no matter what, but I won't blame him if he does end up leaving. This is the first time I've felt uneasy about the Bucks situation. Could you realistically talk him into a re-tool once some of the deadweight contracts come off the books and possibly trading Dame? Would he be okay working with another new coach and possibly new GM here or will he look elsewhere for that stability?

Jimmy Haslem cursed us. That's all I keep coming back to. Bad luck just follows that man.

[paulpressey25]

jrue declined alot but his identity and style was what this team needed. were soft and weakminded. he wasnt..

In the 2022-23 season Jrue was an all-star and he averaged 19/7/5 on great efficiency. Was sixth in DPOY voting. He was our identity.

Last year in the playoffs Jrue stepped up when needed to get another ring.

Even despite his age and fall-off, I’d much rather have a backcourt of Jrue and Grayson and that 2028-2030 draft control than Dame.

[randy84]

Khris didn’t have much value for other teams it appears. While part of it was because of his injuries, it was also because the Bucks appeared “desperate” to somehow trade him away. I think the second factor was more important than the first.

Also interesting to me was the news item that the Wizards insisted on adding AJ Johnson to the trade before they would agree to the trade.

They didn’t ask for any other player such as Ajax for example.

The “Market “ often “knows” better than any individual whoever that individual is.

Anyway we will all see how the trade turns out. I fervently hope it helps the Bucks. Giannis’ window and the Bucks’ window is too narrow, I feel, for comfort; maybe I am wrong in that supposition.

Do you know for a fact that they didn't ask for AJax or other players?

[fan230]

Khris didn’t have much value for other teams it appears. While part of it was because of his injuries, it was also because the Bucks appeared “desperate” to somehow trade him away. I think the second factor was more important than the first.

Also interesting to me was the news item that the Wizards insisted on adding AJ Johnson to the trade before they would agree to the trade.

They didn’t ask for any other player such as Ajax for example.

The “Market “ often “knows” better than any individual whoever that individual is.

Anyway we will all see how the trade turns out. I fervently hope it helps the Bucks. Giannis’ window and the Bucks’ window is too narrow, I feel, for comfort; maybe I am wrong in that supposition.

Do you know for a fact that they didn't ask for AJax or other players?

No, that I don’t. The news item just mentioned that without adding AJ Johnson, the Wizards didn’t agree to the Kuzma Khris trade.

[Neuromancer56]

That’s pretty funny. Prunty should probably be the coach

Not to defend Doc, but Griff had a super easy schedule. Anyone could have gone 30-13 with that schedule.

Bucks record against Boston, New York and Cleveland, the teams we need to beat in the playoffs:

Last year under Griff, 5-3
This year under Doc, 0-8

Yes, Middleton was better last year and yes Cleveland is tougher this year. But we couldn't let Griff try one time in the playoffs because we wanted a known choker to coach us then instead?

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Doc sucks, Griff was far worse. Both coaching hires were bad. We should have gotten Atkinson when we had the chance. Doc was the best choice out of a lot of remaining bad choices. But this team's problem is Brook's slowness. Until we fix that, no coach will succeed.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

jrue declined alot but his identity and style was what this team needed. were soft and weakminded. he wasnt..

In the 2022-23 season Jrue was an all-star and he averaged 19/7/5 on great efficiency. Was sixth in DPOY voting. He was our identity.

Last year in the playoffs Jrue stepped up when needed to get another ring.

Even despite his age and fall-off, I’d much rather have a backcourt of Jrue and Grayson and that 2028-2030 draft control than Dame.

yep..i think we all needed to see how giannis would look with that elite guy. It was suggested repitively that having a bigtime ball dominant shot maker was perfect running mate.

Unfortunately now we know thats the exact opposite of what works with Giannis. Results speak for themselves on this one.

i also think looking back knowing what we know now.... if it was one of jrue or middleton that was going out we should have traded the guy with the injury issues. I thought bad ass old man game Khris would be that Khris forever. Obviously I regret that take.

[raferfenix]

Even despite his age and fall-off, I’d much rather have a backcourt of Jrue and Grayson and that 2028-2030 draft control than Dame.

Other than Giannis extending it’s hard to argue that trade has worked out so well yet at least.

However the Bucks sniffing around DeJounte Murray makes me think we could have done worse with those picks too.

If you really want to butterfly effect it, if Toronto doesn’t back out of the Fred Van Vleet deadline deal (for Grayson, Bobby and a first or something like that) before we got Dame, then I’m not sure what our trajectory would have been.

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/news/milwaukee-bucks-made-trade-deadline-push-for-fred-vanvleet

[randy84]

jrue declined alot but his identity and style was what this team needed. were soft and weakminded. he wasnt..

In the 2022-23 season Jrue was an all-star and he averaged 19/7/5 on great efficiency. Was sixth in DPOY voting. He was our identity.

Last year in the playoffs Jrue stepped up when needed to get another ring.

Even despite his age and fall-off, I’d much rather have a backcourt of Jrue and Grayson and that 2028-2030 draft control than Dame.

At some point you would think your All-World MVP would become your identity and maybe that is what has happened. Giannis is loyal to a fault and so that probably affected who was kept on the team and at what cost. Unfortunately, Giannis isn't a capologist.

[paulpressey25]

I think Brook still looks good in 20-25 well chosen minutes. The definition of "well chosen" is certainly narrowing, but we're currently guaranteeing a bunch of bad minutes with him in addition to a generally excessive workload.

Anyone with half a brain understands Brook is a 25mpg situational player who needs to be complimented with an athletic defending 4/5. This entire board has known it for four years now.

Yet it somehow escapes the geniuses running and coaching our team.

[JimmyTheKid]

We continue to have a Brook and Doc problem. That 3rd quarter was ridiculous and predictable. Doc coming out of the timeout with the same five that had already pissed the lead away was so on brand.

[JimmyTheKid]

Exhibit A on why so many of us said you needed to break up the Bobby/Brook front court by trading one of them. Doc just can't help himself man...

I mean… it’s been right there for the world to see yet Doc somehow can’t see it.

[fan230]

Brook was slow in the past, maybe slower now. A crucial difference is other teams are drawing him out away from the rim They are succeeding because we don’t have a super good poa defender like Jrue; in fact Dame is a poor poa defender. Also our other guards and our sf s have been unable to provide any semblance of a strong poa defense also. This is the crux of the situation.

Maybe Porte would be a strong Poa defender and Kuzma also would be a stronger poa defender than today’s Khris or even Prince. If so, Brook would be drawn out much less and the team would be substantially better off.

[JimmyTheKid]

I don’t love the Brook slander here though. He clearly needs some time off. He was playing really well earlier. He just looks exhausted and he’s on the injury report. Hopefully we can bring his minutes down to more around 20. It also may be a sneaky opportunity to take him out of the starting lineup.

It’s not his fault. The fact that he can even move at his size/age is incredible. An all-time Buck for sure. But the coaching staff should be picking their spots, not riding him into the ground. His mobility issues continue to put us at a disadvantage defensively, possession after possession, game after game, week after week, month after month. For me, the biggest reason why we can string together runs and winning streaks.

[randy84]

I think Brook still looks good in 20-25 well chosen minutes. The definition of "well chosen" is certainly narrowing, but we're currently guaranteeing a bunch of bad minutes with him in addition to a generally excessive workload.

Anyone with half a brain understands Brook is a 25mpg situational player who needs to be complimented with an athletic defending 4/5. This entire board has known it for four years now.

Yet it somehow escapes the geniuses running and coaching our team.

The worst part is that the Bucks could've drafted someone like Filipowski with their first and still probably got AJ with their second. At least Filipowski could've filled some minutes and allowed Brook to rest more.

[randy84]

Brook was slow in the past, maybe slower now. A crucial difference is other teams are drawing him out away from the rim They are succeeding because we don’t have a super good poa defender like Jrue; in fact Dame is a poor poa defender. Also our other guards and our sf s have been unable to provide any semblance of a strong poa defense also. This is the crux of the situation.

Maybe Porte would be a strong Poa defender and Kuzma also would be a stronger poa defender than today’s Khris or even Prince. If so, Brook would be drawn out much less and the team would be substantially better off.

I would say the big problem is that Brook is having a hard time defending even in the drop defense. He can't jump and young athletic guys are dunking over him.

[LittleRooster]

What are the chances that Giannis asks out this summer? Selfishly I want him to just ride it out like Dirk and stick with us no matter what, but I won't blame him if he does end up leaving. This is the first time I've felt uneasy about the Bucks situation. Could you realistically talk him into a re-tool once some of the deadweight contracts come off the books and possibly trading Dame? Would he be okay working with another new coach and possibly new GM here or will he look elsewhere for that stability?

Jimmy Haslem cursed us. That's all I keep coming back to. Bad luck just follows that man.

I agree we’re cursed with Haslem. We were with kohl too, then he sold, and we started winning.

But at least we get to watch Doc run Brook into the ground!

[ShootingtheJ]

jrue declined alot but his identity and style was what this team needed. were soft and weakminded. he wasnt..

In the 2022-23 season Jrue was an all-star and he averaged 19/7/5 on great efficiency. Was sixth in DPOY voting. He was our identity.

Last year in the playoffs Jrue stepped up when needed to get another ring.

Even despite his age and fall-off, I’d much rather have a backcourt of Jrue and Grayson and that 2028-2030 draft control than Dame.

Better yet, trade Dame, and get the players we really need.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

jrue declined alot but his identity and style was what this team needed. were soft and weakminded. he wasnt..

In the 2022-23 season Jrue was an all-star and he averaged 19/7/5 on great efficiency. Was sixth in DPOY voting. He was our identity.

Last year in the playoffs Jrue stepped up when needed to get another ring.

Even despite his age and fall-off, I’d much rather have a backcourt of Jrue and Grayson and that 2028-2030 draft control than Dame.

Better yet, trade Dame, and get the players we really need.

i feel fairly certain our best course of action is to trade dame for a full rebuild package if we dont ride this thing out.

if we deal dame for a "win now" package we'll probably win even less immediately.

were to the point where were boxed in

giannis can dictate his future here but a full rebuild is what should come next. anything other than that will be painful if youre setting championship goals

[Dick Tate]

At least the Bucks got a backup big who played rotation minutes for the Knicks. So there’s a path forward to reducing Brook’s minutes that wasn’t previously available.

[randy84]

In the 2022-23 season Jrue was an all-star and he averaged 19/7/5 on great efficiency. Was sixth in DPOY voting. He was our identity.

Last year in the playoffs Jrue stepped up when needed to get another ring.

Even despite his age and fall-off, I’d much rather have a backcourt of Jrue and Grayson and that 2028-2030 draft control than Dame.

Better yet, trade Dame, and get the players we really need.

i feel fairly certain our best course of action is to trade dame for a full rebuild package if we dont ride this thing out.

if we deal dame for a "win now" package we'll probably win even less immediately.

were to the point where were boxed in

giannis can dictate his future here but a full rebuild is what should come next. anything other than that will be painful if youre setting championship goals

I would be curious to see what a Dame package would be. I feel that the trade Dame mantra is the same as the fire Bud mantra. If you told me we were getting rid of Bud to hire Doc I would have absolutely disagreed. So, I need to see what the alternative is before I would advocate trading Dame.

Why don't we fix our C and SG position before we start trading off All-Stars.